so after 10 infractions they could take u in?
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Dude, you said .5grms a day sometimes none, that means more than half the time .5grms in a day. So yeah that is a chronic pot smoker.
If I smoked half a pack three times a week I'd be a chronic cig smoker, but I smoke zero cigs.
The line is somewhere but I'm pretty sure if you're smoking weed or cigs on more days in a week than days you don't you are a chronic smoker.
Same applies to my beer drinking and other habits.
It isn't really important to me where the line between NON, Rec, and Chronic smokers is drawn.
no i ment for the current laws. being under the misdemeanor linage. not the new law of it being a infraction. hence my statement of, its still a move in the right direction...
but they still can search you, search your home, for probably cause, they can still arrest you for growing, they can still take away your marijuana, they can still impose prison sentences for different baggies under an ounce, they can impose prison sentencing for having a minor in the same car, or child endangerment.
How is it possible for them to pin point THC in your body when it metabolizes in your fat? IE breaking down? like how nutrients break down in soil? therefor it takes time. and there is no accurate way to tell when and how you ingested marijuana!!!!
but the point here is, if its legal, it wont matter. as what you do at home is your own choice. just like alcohol.
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For infractions you never get anything but the fine. Have a jaywalking and weed ticket every day for a year still no jail. So the real point is that rec smoking and posessing is a NOTHING offense in CA!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess infractions like parking tickets are on your record, but if you pay them "Proper Society" loves you.
For all intents and purposes smokers in CA are already free. I like this.
As for using tests to F with people, employers and others do this every day around the country; I'm pretty sure the pigs also mess with people in this way. I don't like it and I don't think we disagree on that point.
It doesn't even need to be THC. It could be another component that is carried along at the same time which can be tied to a time gradient and provide the same information. It is like some medical testing where they cannot directly test for the problem itself, but rather test for antibodies which occur in it's presence. Stating that something cannot happen in the future is patently absurd, you might as well join the flat earth society.
For infractions you never get anything but the fine. Have a jaywalking and weed ticket every day for a year still no jail. So the real point is that rec smoking and posessing is a NOTHING offense in CA!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess infractions like parking tickets are on your record, but if you pay them "Proper Society" loves you.
For all intents and purposes smokers in CA are already free. I like this.
As for using tests to F with people, employers and others do this every day around the country; I'm pretty sure the pigs also mess with people in this way. I don't like it and I don't think we disagree on that point.
lol i think we are agreeing on the same thing, just different wording. peace.
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Pretty sure 1/8th a week counts as chronic smoker. Having none on some days is also a sign of a chronic smoker.
Having NONE on most days then you might be an occasional smoker, but most of us here are chronic smokers, yourself included.
I' m really sure an 1/8 a week is not chronic. Chronic means you are constantly smoking. Probably from a 1/4 to a 1/2 a day!
now your just pulling stuff out your butt. THC is the MAIN CANABANOID that gets YOU HIGH. therefor THATS WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO TEST FOR. Because its illegal to test for any other substance. thats not illegal. besides that. with other components being tested brings further flaws into test, and false positives.
So once again. unless you are a scientist. i recommend doing your research.
Really? Ok, maybe I should replace "chronic smoker" with "regular smoker, or smoker".
My point was if you do it more days than not that is an important thing in your life. To me "chronic" is a good word so I like being a "chronic" smoker
Also if you are an ICmager posting about your grow "You might be a chronic smoker "Just saying,
Thats kind of how I understand a chronic smoker someone that has a spliff in there hand all the time or constantly smoking all day everyday
From NORML
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6991
Drug metabolites are compounds produced from chemical changes of a psychoactive substance in the body, but they are not necessarily psychoactive themselves. The presence of drug metabolites – not the presence of illicit drugs – is the primary indicator of drug use in workplace drug testing programs, such as urinalysis and hair testing.
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6991
Drug metabolites are compounds produced from chemical changes of a psychoactive substance in the body, but they are not necessarily psychoactive themselves. The presence of drug metabolites – not the presence of illicit drugs – is the primary indicator of drug use in workplace drug testing programs, such as urinalysis and hair testing.
and you are proving my point even further? thank you
basically, unless they could cut you open, and take your fat out to test. i still dont think they could pin point from time of consumption to metabolites as if you are smoking all the time, you are constantly breaking it down. there for impossible.
and cutting into you will not be an option for a drug test, unless our government has put micro chips in us.
Pardon me?
"Drug metabolites are compounds produced from chemical changes of a psychoactive substance in the body, but they are not necessarily psychoactive themselves. The presence of drug metabolites – not the presence of illicit drugs – is the primary indicator of drug use in workplace drug testing programs, such as urinalysis and hair testing."
"Drug metabolites are compounds produced from chemical changes of a psychoactive substance in the body, but they are not necessarily psychoactive themselves. The presence of drug metabolites – not the presence of illicit drugs – is the primary indicator of drug use in workplace drug testing programs, such as urinalysis and hair testing."
I believe Rives is correct the test is for the metabolites. THC is converted to metabolites in your body. Everything I have read states they test for metabolites there is no mention of THC.
Drug metabolism is the biochemical modification of pharmaceutical substances by living organisms, usually through specialized enzymatic systems. This is a form of xenobiotic metabolism. Drug metabolism often converts lipophilic chemical compounds into more readily excreted polar products. Its rate is an important determinant of the duration and intensity of the pharmacological action of drugs.
Drug metabolism can result in toxication or detoxication - the activation or deactivation of the chemical. While both occur, the major metabolites of most drugs are detoxication products.
Drugs are almost all xenobiotics. Other commonly used organic chemicals are also xenobiotics, and are metabolized by the same enzymes as drugs. This provides the opportunity for drug-drug and drug-chemical interactions or reactions.
so yes its converted. but first its the form of THC.
Phase I vs. Phase II
Phase I reactions usually precede Phase II, though not necessarily. During these reactions, polar bodies are either introduced or unmasked, which results in (more) polar metabolites of the original chemicals. In the case of pharmaceutical drugs, Phase I reactions can lead either to activation or inactivation of the drug.
Phase I reactions (also termed nonsynthetic reactions) may occur by oxidation, reduction, hydrolysis, cyclization, and decyclization reactions. Oxidation involves the enzymatic addition of oxygen or removal of hydrogen, carried out by mixed function oxidases, often in the liver. These oxidative reactions typically involve a cytochrome P450 monooxygenase (often abbreviated CYP), NADPH and oxygen. The classes of pharmaceutical drugs that utilize this method for their metabolism include phenothiazines, paracetamol, and steroids. If the metabolites of phase I reactions are sufficiently polar, they may be readily excreted at this point. However, many phase I products are not eliminated rapidly and undergo a subsequent reaction in which an endogenous substrate combines with the newly incorporated functional group to form a highly polar conjugate.
A common Phase I oxidation involves conversion of a C-H bond to a C-OH. This reaction sometimes converts a pharmacologically inactive compound (a prodrug) to a pharmacologically active one. By the same token, Phase I can turn a nontoxic molecule into a poisonous one (toxification). A famous example is acetonitrile, CH3CN. Simple hydrolysis in the stomach transforms acetonitrile into acetate and ammonia, which are comparatively innocuous. But Phase I metabolism converts acetonitrile to HOCH2CN, which rapidly dissociates into formaldehyde and hydrogen cyanide, both of which are toxic.
Phase I metabolism of drug candidates can be simulated in the laboratory using non-enzyme catalysts.[1] This example of a biomimetic reaction tends to give products that often contains the Phase I metabolites. As an example, the major metabolite of the pharmaceutical trimebutine, desmethyltrimebutine (nor-trimebutine), can be efficiently produced by in vitro oxidation of the commercially available drug. Hydroxylation of an N-methyl group leads to expulsion of a molecule of formaldehyde, while oxidation of the O-methyl groups takes place to a lesser extent.
Phase II reactions — usually known as conjugation reactions (e.g., with glucuronic acid, sulfonates (commonly known as sulfation) , glutathione or amino acids) — are usually detoxication in nature, and involve the interactions of the polar functional groups of phase I metabolites. Sites on drugs where conjugation reactions occur include carboxyl (-COOH), hydroxyl (-OH), amino (NH2), and sulfhydryl (-SH) groups. Products of conjugation reactions have increased molecular weight and are usually inactive unlike Phase I reactions which often produce active metabolites.
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