Vote YES or NO on Prop 19

[Frozenguy]

Under 1oz has now been decriminalized in California. It's not a misdemeanor anymore, just an infraction.
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/sen/sb_1401-1450/sb_1449_bill_20100405_amended_sen_v98.html

I haven't supported everything he has done, but this is so cool!

 

[kmk420kali]

I see what you're saying, but seven years though? When the kid is making money, learning. there is a reason he isn't with his family. His family probably sucks. A good family with a strong parental unit would never allow such a thing to happen. A third party (government) putting one of the original parties in prison for seven years, for an event in which both parties were in agreement consensually, is obnoxious. Even three or five years.
Maybe they should be given community service, something to give back.
It would cost too much money, but the parents should have to enroll in parent school as well, because they obviously suck (considering the majority of cases this situation would fall under).

If some Adult gave or smoked weed with my under 14 year old kid...7 years in Prison would be a LIFE SAVER for them...believe that!!

 

[Frozenguy]

If some Adult gave or smoked weed with my under 14 year old kid...7 years in Prison would be a LIFE SAVER for them...believe that!!

Why would your kid ever be in that situation? And you know your kid took the weed right? And you would kill someone over something like that? (Thats what I got from his prison sentence saving his life).

I just dont think its appropriate reaction. If he forced it, or laced something thats a different story, otherwise your good little innocent kid is smoking the gangja before he/she is 14; I wonder where mommy/daddy is.

With that said, and as I've said before, I do think someone who "furnishes blah blah blah" weed to a kid should get some consequences, just not three, five, seven years in prison. (considering people weren't tricked, forced, ect.)
Doesn't help anyone at all.

 

[GET MO]

Heres the part that makes a lot of sense to me, of COURSE Mr. Lee had a lawyer write this out for him, and I believe its for his soul intent on a monopoly. Can someone please explain to me how this is incorrect, because "its bs" isnt a very good argument.....

In Section 2 (C), “Intent,” paragraph 1 lists all the existing laws that Prop. 19 is intended to affect, and paragraph 2 lists all the laws it is NOT intended to affect. Here’s the important point:

Neither paragraph 1 nor paragraph 2 mention the Compassionate Use Act (CUA), which is found in H & S Code section 11362.5. If the Prop. 19 people really did not intend to affect patients and collectives, they would have included section 11362.5 in paragraph 2. They didn’t.

Now, since the Pro-Prop. 19 people clearly need the support of MM patients, they obviously did not want to include the CUA and H & S section 11362.5 in paragraph 1 and admit that Prop. 19 will affect patients. So that’s why Prop. 19 is silent about 11362.5, the CUA. The pro-Prop. 19 people are counting on the average voter not knowing anything about statutory interpretation rules. Under those rules, if Prop. 19 had specifically stated in Section 2, “Intent,” that it was NOT intended to affect H & S 11362.5, then the courts would interpret it as not affecting 11362.5. But because the intent section is silent, the courts will look at the language of the proposition to figure out the intent. And as noted above, the Purposes section at paragraphs 6 and 7, already provides evidence that the Proposition is intended to affect MM and MM patients.

Why would the Prop. 19 people set things up like this? This is no accident; a lot of attorney work and money went into drafting this thing to accomplish the desired results – results presumably desired by Richard Lee and friends. Why would they want to be sure that patients’ current rights to grow and distribute are SEVERLY limited, while running around telling efveryone they are not affected?

Well, in addition to being potential voting support for Prop. 15, MM patients also reflect a LARGE and VALUABLE potential market share for the “commercial cannabis industry” this proposition is intended to create. It is going to be contrary to the commercial interests of whoever wants to create a “commercial cannabis industry” to let such a large group of potential cannabis consumers continue to cultivate and share with each other, via the collective system, cannabis – instead of being FORCED TO BUY IT FROM THE “COMMERCIAL CANNABIS INDUSTRY.”

Prop. 19 is clearly aimed at reducing competition by restricting who can cultivate and distribute.



Prop. 19, if passed, will be interpreted as affecting patients and collectives because the Prop. 19 folks intentionally chose not to specify that it was NOT intended to affect patients in Section 2, “Intent.”

So why are the pro-Prop.19 lying about what it will do? Something sneaky’s going on.

Yo greyskull heres the link to where I got this from, the Modesto Bee newspapers website... Its the second article.

http://thehive.modbee.com/node/20404

Like I said I hope for all our sake this is wrong, but I really dont see how it would be....

 

[rives]

Why would your kid ever be in that situation? And you know your kid took the weed right? And you would kill someone over something like that? (Thats what I got from his prison sentence saving his life).

I just dont think its appropriate reaction. If he forced it, or laced something thats a different story, otherwise your good little innocent kid is smoking the gangja before he/she is 14; I wonder where mommy/daddy is.

With that said, and as I've said before, I do think someone who "furnishes blah blah blah" weed to a kid should get some consequences, just not three, five, seven years in prison. (considering people weren't tricked, forced, ect.)
Doesn't help anyone at all.

Do you have kids?

 

[trichrider]

what? you don't believe that young impressionable minds do not deserve to be freed? must everyone go through what we have gone through over the last 80 or so years?
you obviously use or you wouldn't be involved with this site, and assuming you do use, do you believe it(use) has been detrimental?
until the early 19th century cannabis extracts were perfectly safe medicine even for children! nothing is changed from that...but for the laws against it!!!
please, no hysterics to get the haters going!
Vote for legalization, decriminalization is right around the corner.

 

[kmk420kali]

Why would your kid ever be in that situation? And you know your kid took the weed right? And you would kill someone over something like that? (Thats what I got from his prison sentence saving his life).

I just dont think its appropriate reaction. If he forced it, or laced something thats a different story, otherwise your good little innocent kid is smoking the gangja before he/she is 14; I wonder where mommy/daddy is.

With that said, and as I've said before, I do think someone who "furnishes blah blah blah" weed to a kid should get some consequences, just not three, five, seven years in prison. (considering people weren't tricked, forced, ect.)
Doesn't help anyone at all.

I'm guessing you're not a Parent??
Kids go to school, they go to their friends...Parents cannot put them in Lock-Down, simply to protect them--
No 18 year old has any business interacting with a kid under 14 in that manner-- They are old enough to know it is wrong, and old enough to pay the price--
Normal 18 year olds don't smoke with 11, 12, 13 year olds--
Yes, I would fuck their world up...maybe not kill them...but death is not always the worse thing that can happen--

 

[krunchbubble]

what? you don't believe that young impressionable minds do not deserve to be freed? must everyone go through what we have gone through over the last 80 or so years?
you obviously use or you wouldn't be involved with this site, and assuming you do use, do you believe it(use) has been detrimental?
until the early 19th century cannabis extracts were perfectly safe medicine even for children! nothing is changed from that...but for the laws against it!!!
please, no hysterics to get the haters going!
Vote for legalization, decriminalization is right around the corner.

go through what we have gone through for the last 80 or so years? its your choice on what you do. no one said you have to be involved in weed, your choice to go through the shit, stop crying......

early19th century heroin, cocaine and other hard drugs were used as medicine as well, does that mean we should legalize those as well?......

 

[StellarP]

Get Mo-
It was not included because this is a separate proposition and not an amendment.

Proposition 215 will remain as is. A amendment bill to this proposition (AB) would need to be presented by the legislature or public initiative.

Proposition 19 is for everyone else who DOES NOT have a medical license.

Cheers
StellarP

 

[rives]

what? you don't believe that young impressionable minds do not deserve to be freed? must everyone go through what we have gone through over the last 80 or so years?
you obviously use or you wouldn't be involved with this site, and assuming you do use, do you believe it(use) has been detrimental?
until the early 19th century cannabis extracts were perfectly safe medicine even for children! nothing is changed from that...but for the laws against it!!!
please, no hysterics to get the haters going!
Vote for legalization, decriminalization is right around the corner.

If anything is going to get the haters going, it would be the idiocy that you are advocating here. Freeing of a young, impressionable under 14-year old mind by an adult? Their ass would be mine.

 

[krunchbubble]

I'm guessing you're not a Parent??
Kids go to school, they go to their friends...Parents cannot put them in Lock-Down, simply to protect them--
No 18 year old has any business interacting with a kid under 14 in that manner-- They are old enough to know it is wrong, and old enough to pay the price--
Normal 18 year olds don't smoke with 11, 12, 13 year olds--
Yes, I would fuck their world up...maybe not kill them...but death is not always the worse thing that can happen--

what age did you start smoking weed?

now that the underage thing is coming up, all of a sudden everyone started after 21......

 

[rives]

what age did you start smoking weed?

now that the underage thing is coming up, all of a sudden everyone started after 21......

I was 15, and it sure as hell wasn't an adult that got me started. What do you suspect an adult's motives might be to get a 13-year old stoned? Not a parent are you, Krunch?

 

[Frozenguy]

Do you have kids?

No. But I look forward to having a family, and spending time with them, and teaching my children good strong values and morals and ethics; as well as actively making sure they do well in school. That includes defending other's rights even if they conflict with yours or your beliefs.

I'm guessing you're not a Parent??
Kids go to school, they go to their friends...Parents cannot put them in Lock-Down, simply to protect them--
No 18 year old has any business interacting with a kid under 14 in that manner-- They are old enough to know it is wrong, and old enough to pay the price--
Normal 18 year olds don't smoke with 11, 12, 13 year olds--
Yes, I would fuck their world up...maybe not kill them...but death is not always the worse thing that can happen--

I'm not a parent, but I know where you're coming from as much as someone who doesn't have kids can. But I think I have a pretty good idea.
A ten year old knows smoking bud is "wrong" too. I did, my sister did, the majority of my friends did.

I went to my friends, and so will my kids. But I will know where it is and who they are. At 14, I will be dropping my kids off wherever they go; and they will have lived a life a respect (mutual) and strength from a family unit and more often then not, that leads to kids saying no to drugs, no to sex, no to strangers. It makes them strong individuals.

I still say a lot of blame rests on the older/adult "furnish er" and thus should be sentenced to something, but not years in prison.

Ok, (about above) maybe I wont be dropping them off everywhere, they'll have bikes or whatever kids these days have with their ipods and their twitters... jk
but the point stands that they will know right from wrong and they wont put themselves into positions where there are drugs. And if they are, they are prepared. wont always make the right decision.. but not everything is perfect.

So that guy should have some consequences but if it was was young teenager seeking bud, looking to get high, or a job trimming weed or something to make some extra $$$ on the weekends, someone can go to prison for a very long time. It just irks me.

Another thing I'll make sure to teach my kids about is appropriate consequences. Because Kali, I'm sure you wouldn't "rough some guy's world up so much where even death isn't as bad" because then you would damage your kids lives way further then that guy did by passing them a joint.

 

[kmk420kali]

what age did you start smoking weed?

now that the underage thing is coming up, all of a sudden everyone started after 21......

I started at 11....but that is not the point...the point is, that there is never a good reason for an Adult to be hanging out with kids of that age, and smoking weed with them-- (Other than possibly a Parent)
I am not against kids smoking at whatever age...my daughter has already shown an interest in trying it-- She is 12-- And if I was to do it with her, I would be in violation of the Law...I understand that...I will still prolly let her try it tho, just to keep it at home-- Altho it would be in edible form...I already told her I would rather she doesn't smoke, especially this young--

 

[krunchbubble]

I was 15, and it sure as hell wasn't an adult that got me started. What do you suspect an adult's motives might be to get a 13-year old stoned? Not a parent are you, Krunch?

not saying there is a motive for a an adult to smoke with a 13 year old.....

im asking what age did he start smoking?

yes, im a very proud parent, in the 5th grade at a private christen school, already tested at genius level, honor roll and wrote a book at age 9.......

 

[Greyskull]

Heres the part that makes a lot of sense to me, of COURSE Mr. Lee had a lawyer write this out for him, and I believe its for his soul intent on a monopoly. Can someone please explain to me how this is incorrect, because "its bs" isnt a very good argument.....

In Section 2 (C), “Intent,” paragraph 1 lists all the existing laws that Prop. 19 is intended to affect, and paragraph 2 lists all the laws it is NOT intended to affect. Here’s the important point:

Neither paragraph 1 nor paragraph 2 mention the Compassionate Use Act (CUA), which is found in H & S Code section 11362.5. If the Prop. 19 people really did not intend to affect patients and collectives, they would have included section 11362.5 in paragraph 2. They didn’t.

Now, since the Pro-Prop. 19 people clearly need the support of MM patients, they obviously did not want to include the CUA and H & S section 11362.5 in paragraph 1 and admit that Prop. 19 will affect patients. So that’s why Prop. 19 is silent about 11362.5, the CUA. The pro-Prop. 19 people are counting on the average voter not knowing anything about statutory interpretation rules. Under those rules, if Prop. 19 had specifically stated in Section 2, “Intent,” that it was NOT intended to affect H & S 11362.5, then the courts would interpret it as not affecting 11362.5. But because the intent section is silent, the courts will look at the language of the proposition to figure out the intent. And as noted above, the Purposes section at paragraphs 6 and 7, already provides evidence that the Proposition is intended to affect MM and MM patients.

Why would the Prop. 19 people set things up like this? This is no accident; a lot of attorney work and money went into drafting this thing to accomplish the desired results – results presumably desired by Richard Lee and friends. Why would they want to be sure that patients’ current rights to grow and distribute are SEVERLY limited, while running around telling efveryone they are not affected?

Well, in addition to being potential voting support for Prop. 15, MM patients also reflect a LARGE and VALUABLE potential market share for the “commercial cannabis industry” this proposition is intended to create. It is going to be contrary to the commercial interests of whoever wants to create a “commercial cannabis industry” to let such a large group of potential cannabis consumers continue to cultivate and share with each other, via the collective system, cannabis – instead of being FORCED TO BUY IT FROM THE “COMMERCIAL CANNABIS INDUSTRY.”

Prop. 19 is clearly aimed at reducing competition by restricting who can cultivate and distribute.



Prop. 19, if passed, will be interpreted as affecting patients and collectives because the Prop. 19 folks intentionally chose not to specify that it was NOT intended to affect patients in Section 2, “Intent.”

So why are the pro-Prop.19 lying about what it will do? Something sneaky’s going on.

Yo greyskull heres the link to where I got this from, the Modesto Bee newspapers website... Its the second article.

http://thehive.modbee.com/node/20404

Like I said I hope for all our sake this is wrong, but I really dont see how it would be....

im looking for something a little deeper than "its BS!" too...
im just leery of us getting enough rope to hang ourselves..

because we are stupid enough too do that >>> patriot act

 

[kmk420kali]

Another thing I'll make sure to teach my kids about is appropriate consequences. Because Kali, I'm sure you wouldn't "rough some guy's world up so much where even death isn't as bad" because then you would damage your kids lives way further then that guy did by passing them a joint.

Let me clarify--
Yes, there could be some circumstances where I would not get crazy like that...like if it was someone that has been legitimately close with them over the years--
But I am more talking about the 18 or older guy that might be hanging out at the arcade, or park...and starts smoking very young kids up...

 

[krunchbubble]

I started at 11....but that is not the point...the point is, that there is never a good reason for an Adult to be hanging out with kids of that age, and smoking weed with them-- (Other than possibly a Parent)
I am not against kids smoking at whatever age...my daughter has already shown an interest in trying it-- She is 12-- And if I was to do it with her, I would be in violation of the Law...I understand that...I will still prolly let her try it tho, just to keep it at home-- Altho it would be in edible form...I already told her I would rather she doesn't smoke, especially this young--

respect.....

 

[Frozenguy]

I started at 11....but that is not the point...the point is, that there is never a good reason for an Adult to be hanging out with kids of that age, and smoking weed with them-- (Other than possibly a Parent)
I am not against kids smoking at whatever age...my daughter has already shown an interest in trying it-- She is 12-- And if I was to do it with her, I would be in violation of the Law...I understand that...I will still prolly let her try it tho, just to keep it at home-- Altho it would be in edible form...I already told her I would rather she doesn't smoke, especially this young--

If you let her try it, she will (more often then not) get it outside the house if you dont give her how much she wants ( to some degree). Age old story bro.
You should continue to tell her not to smoke. I wont start to say to what degree, but smoking cannabis at a young at does have a life long lasting effect on the neurological development and nervous system. Its just better she experiments with things later in life.. But thats just my opinion and life is crazy anyways and people end up everywhere even with crazy, early decisions. I just want to lay out the cleanest path for my kids to take, so when they vary, its not too bad.. Once they get your approval, its out the window.

 

[rives]

not saying there is a motive for a an adult to smoke with a 13 year old.....

im asking what age did he start smoking?

yes, im a very proud parent, in the 5th grade at a private christen school, already tested at genius level, honor roll and wrote a book at age 9.......

Oh, there are plenty of motives for an adult to smoke with a 13-year old - just no good ones. If you are actively involved in parenting your child, than you know that even the brightest, best-behaved ones (actually, especially them) can do some things that you would never have thought was on their radar. My daughter was always very mature, excelled at school, and she still did some shit that blew my hair back!! Regardless of how bright they are, they don't have the mental maturity to weigh out all of the ramifications of their decisions at times.