How do you fit thirty plants in a 5x5?
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Vote YES or NO on Prop 19
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by placing them in the space?
remember these?
how bout this way?
or just put them in there...
25²'/25 plants= 1²' per plant right?
you really dont think 30 plants can fit in that area?
or are you obfuscating from answering..
what will 30 plants get 'ya?
I'm not the one who invented "I'm not gonna answer your question, answer mine."
Tiny ones like that... probably still a misdemeanor.
It'd be nice to have space for veg...
Tiny ones like that... probably still a misdemeanor.
It'd be nice to have space for veg...
nor did i...notice i really try not to play it..go ahead ask another question ill answer first.
your state defines criminality based upon plant size?!?!?!?
i had not heard of that...
the standard definition is "if it has roots" when i got popped they actually counted DEAD DRY MALES waiting for a dump run but they had roots soooooo...
i may need to buy more property in your staate if they go by plant size!!!!
ill flower out 500 tiny clones in a baby pool and just get 500 3/4oz nuggets!!!!
I'm not gonna vote on the poll, I'm not from California....but I would personally vote no on a proposal like 19 in my home state. This is a one time statement, I'm not gonna argue or beat a dead horse. It's just my personal opinion.
not asking for debate or anything..
wont post another comment on anything you say..but knowing why would be cool.
Are they misinformed or deliberately lying? I don't know anymore.
A group of medical marijuana dispensaries organized as the California Cannabis Association has come out against Prop 19, California's "Tax and Regulate Cannabis" initiative to legalize marijuana.
The coalition claims that Prop 19's provisions giving local jurisdictions the power to regulate cannabis sales, including the right to choose whether to allow commercial or other outlets, would enable them to prohibit the sale of medical marijuana to patients, something that under California they currently can't do. In the words of Cascade Wellness Center head Amir Daliri, quoted in the Associated Press, "The people who would be most affected are the sick, the elderly - patients who cannot grow their own and cannot travel to pick up a prescription."
The claim is completely false. As attorney J. David Nick explained in a widely disseminated legal analysis exhorting people to get on board and support the initiative, section 2B of the Prop 19 text explicitly guards against that:
Section 2B presents the controlling and relevant purposes for understanding what Prop. 19 can and cannot do. This section EXPRESSLY excludes the reach of Prop. 19 from the CUA and MMP. Sections 2B (7 & 8) specifically state that the purpose of this initiative is to give municipalities total and complete control over the commercial sales of marijuana "EXCEPT as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9."
Even without that protection, Nick further explains, it would be virtually impossible for the courts to interpret Prop 19 as allowing cities or counties to gut the state medical marijuana law, because of the rules of statutory construction:
Although extrinsic materials (such as legislative committee memos or voter pamphlet arguments) may not be resorted to when the legislative language is clear, courts may never ignore the purpose of the legislation. Every interpretation a court gives a statute must be consistent with the purpose of the legislation. This is why statutes have long "preambles" which explicitly state the purposes of the legislation.
Unfortunately, the press has largely given the group a pass. In the press mentions I could find of the story, LA Weekly, Capital Public Radio, KTVU and the aforementioned AP piece, campaign spokeswoman Dale Sky Jones is quoted making the opposite claim, that the initiative actually would clarify and improve protections for medical marijuana patients. But that important information appears toward the end of the articles, and the casual reader is left with the impression simply that different activists are saying different things, not necessarily knowing what to believe. I think the media professionals covering this should have taken the extra few moments needed to glance at the initiative text, or better yet spoken with a qualified attorney or legal analyst about it. They then could have verified that the campaign quotes were right and the opposition's wrong, and reflected that in their reporting.
Fortunately, only some medical marijuana people are so shortsighted as to oppose this historic and important measure. Harborside Health Center in Oakland, and the Berkeley Patients Group are among the top quality groups lending their support to Prop 19. But it's still worth asking, why are some other medical marijuana providers opposing it?
Famed Canadian Marc Emery, from his US prison cell offered the obvious explanation: money. I've been charitable about this in saying that there's a little more to it than that. The medical marijuana providers have by and large created a good and wholesome environment, bringing dollars in for sure, but providing high-quality, compassionate services for their clientele. They've risked a lot to do it -- Daliri's center is among those to suffer raids on their operations -- and they don't want to see the world they've brought into being fall into nothingness in the face of the hugely increased competition that legalization of marijuana for anyone will surely bring. I happen to think that legalization will bring more opportunities for everyone in the industry, including the current medical marijuana providers, but I could be wrong. Maybe they will be put out of business.
But that's not a reason to allow the continued mass law enforcement campaigns against marijuana users and sellers to continue -- more than 61,000 people were arrested for marijuana possession in California in 2009 alone. And these people were smart enough to start and maintain successful businesses, therefore they're smart enough to accurately understand the Prop 19 legislation, if they want to, so I say enough is enough. Whether they are doing it deliberately, or out of deliberate ignorance, they should stop spreading misinformation about Prop 19. Shame on the California Cannabis Association. And YES on PROP 19!
A group of medical marijuana dispensaries organized as the California Cannabis Association has come out against Prop 19, California's "Tax and Regulate Cannabis" initiative to legalize marijuana.
The coalition claims that Prop 19's provisions giving local jurisdictions the power to regulate cannabis sales, including the right to choose whether to allow commercial or other outlets, would enable them to prohibit the sale of medical marijuana to patients, something that under California they currently can't do. In the words of Cascade Wellness Center head Amir Daliri, quoted in the Associated Press, "The people who would be most affected are the sick, the elderly - patients who cannot grow their own and cannot travel to pick up a prescription."
The claim is completely false. As attorney J. David Nick explained in a widely disseminated legal analysis exhorting people to get on board and support the initiative, section 2B of the Prop 19 text explicitly guards against that:
Section 2B presents the controlling and relevant purposes for understanding what Prop. 19 can and cannot do. This section EXPRESSLY excludes the reach of Prop. 19 from the CUA and MMP. Sections 2B (7 & 8) specifically state that the purpose of this initiative is to give municipalities total and complete control over the commercial sales of marijuana "EXCEPT as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9."
Even without that protection, Nick further explains, it would be virtually impossible for the courts to interpret Prop 19 as allowing cities or counties to gut the state medical marijuana law, because of the rules of statutory construction:
Although extrinsic materials (such as legislative committee memos or voter pamphlet arguments) may not be resorted to when the legislative language is clear, courts may never ignore the purpose of the legislation. Every interpretation a court gives a statute must be consistent with the purpose of the legislation. This is why statutes have long "preambles" which explicitly state the purposes of the legislation.
Unfortunately, the press has largely given the group a pass. In the press mentions I could find of the story, LA Weekly, Capital Public Radio, KTVU and the aforementioned AP piece, campaign spokeswoman Dale Sky Jones is quoted making the opposite claim, that the initiative actually would clarify and improve protections for medical marijuana patients. But that important information appears toward the end of the articles, and the casual reader is left with the impression simply that different activists are saying different things, not necessarily knowing what to believe. I think the media professionals covering this should have taken the extra few moments needed to glance at the initiative text, or better yet spoken with a qualified attorney or legal analyst about it. They then could have verified that the campaign quotes were right and the opposition's wrong, and reflected that in their reporting.
Fortunately, only some medical marijuana people are so shortsighted as to oppose this historic and important measure. Harborside Health Center in Oakland, and the Berkeley Patients Group are among the top quality groups lending their support to Prop 19. But it's still worth asking, why are some other medical marijuana providers opposing it?
Famed Canadian Marc Emery, from his US prison cell offered the obvious explanation: money. I've been charitable about this in saying that there's a little more to it than that. The medical marijuana providers have by and large created a good and wholesome environment, bringing dollars in for sure, but providing high-quality, compassionate services for their clientele. They've risked a lot to do it -- Daliri's center is among those to suffer raids on their operations -- and they don't want to see the world they've brought into being fall into nothingness in the face of the hugely increased competition that legalization of marijuana for anyone will surely bring. I happen to think that legalization will bring more opportunities for everyone in the industry, including the current medical marijuana providers, but I could be wrong. Maybe they will be put out of business.
But that's not a reason to allow the continued mass law enforcement campaigns against marijuana users and sellers to continue -- more than 61,000 people were arrested for marijuana possession in California in 2009 alone. And these people were smart enough to start and maintain successful businesses, therefore they're smart enough to accurately understand the Prop 19 legislation, if they want to, so I say enough is enough. Whether they are doing it deliberately, or out of deliberate ignorance, they should stop spreading misinformation about Prop 19. Shame on the California Cannabis Association. And YES on PROP 19!
Carefully!
If you are not growing commercially then why is this an issue?....
Want bigger, file for a business license and grow all you want. Do NOT have to pay taxes if you are not selling it.
For those that think 25 sq. ft is too small, 1 pound a week in 24 sq. ft, with 1 sq. ft left over.(clone-veg-Flower) Really, not enough room? The word for today is "efficiency".
(And in the U.S. buying a beer for your 19 year old son is against the law-Contributing to the delinquency of minors. Fed drinking age is 21)
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StellarP
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This is certainly at the top of a lot of peoples list with this prop.
Most any form of legalization would bring this to the table, always going to be a strong point.
what makes even less sense is the fact most these people that are complaining about 5x5 are med patients. so 5x5 doesnt even effect them. and a judge said that a mmj reccomendation DOES NOT need to be renewed. so you could use the same recc for years if youd like. im almost certain alot of these people grow so they can sell on the black market and are just afraid 19 is going to make price plummet. THAT is an argument i would deem worthy to be afraid of....but they just dont want to be real with the reason they are anti19,, so they grasp onto bullshit arguments like the holier than thou moral stance of 19 doenst go far enough so we shouldnt vote for it... or they jump on the conspiracy train with suggestions of monsanto, rj renolds, phillop morris and big government taking over the weed trade.....
where are these 1000s of acres in norcal that got bought up>??? anyone... anyone???? i know alot of people up in the triangle and not one of them can point to me where this massive plot of tobacco owned mj cultivation site is hiding....
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guest4098
of course i wonder about that..
i look at 19 as a tool in our arsenal not theirs..
those cities can ban sales and commercial ops (at their fiscal peril) but 19 means they CAN NOT do shit about your (granted too small) personal grow or as much as you can store in your house!
but again the most important thing is public perception..
lets put all bullshit aside..
19 passes :for the majority of folks the only thing that changes is public perception towards marijuana....a few folks who were scared start up micro grows,the hash market increases 10 fold,a few ppl will get to keep their jobs if they pop positive(very few..... employers will find a way to get rid of you if they want to) and the movement will take a step forward..
a few years down the road...amsterdam style coffee shops in the "cool areas" and status quo in the dickish ones.
ohhh and B.H.O. personally puts te cuffs on R.Lee wen he sells his first shitty dime bag
Public perception is going to be that mj is legal and the fight is over.
50+ pounds a year from 25 sq ft? Please point me towards the grow report when it comes out...
Growing indoors has nothing to do with 'efficiency.' Much better for a grower to have a reasonably sized outdoor crop once a year with enough to last.
Just because you have a recommendation to grow 1000 plants doesn't mean your local government isn't going to put you in a cage if you do. That's the way it is in CA today. Now the local govs with have all the cards to 'right size' the players in the industry any way they choose.
Who says it is going to be big tobacco? It is going to be whoever scraps up the capitol and fights it out with the other competitors. Unfortunately this day and age 'fighting it out' means seeing who can suck more bureaucratic dick.
oh no its true!!!
http://tobaccodocuments.org/rjr/501...0&ocr_position=above_foramatted&start_page=11
they also bought a geothermal power plant in the NW of cali...
cant wait for that R.J.R./R.Lee offshore hydro warehouse/oil rig...
CrazyCooter
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That's funny. I did make the argument that 19 would end up in a transfer of wealth from a market cornered by the little guy to the hands of the few with wealth. I believe you flew off the handle, called me a bunch of names, and wished me dead.
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Col.Dijon
You can buy your kids beer in many states.
That's funny. I did make the argument that 19 would end up in a transfer of wealth from a market cornered by the little guy to the hands of the few with wealth. I believe you flew off the handle, called me a bunch of names, and wished me dead.
Quote it and I'll believe you
How could I file for a business license, not start a business, and not pay taxes?!
I'm standing here stating that it is my firm belief that you have never gotten a pound a week in 24 sq ft that was vegged from one square foot.
State laws in Alaska, Colorado, Georgia, Iowa, Indiana, Ohio, South Dakota, and Texas allow for parents to give their underage children alcoholic beverages.
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