Vote YES or NO on Prop 19

[willy_lump]

The blood of patriots and tyrants must be spilled to refresh the tree of liberty from time to time.

 

[Chronic Future]

Damn near every county that voted yes for 19 is where the rich people live places where they dont have to sell pot to feed there family I think if the economy was better or if people that grow pot actully have a "real" job this bill could have passed.

 

[DankSide]

Yeah because growers make up 1/4 of the voters in the election... do you even comprehend what you write? Growers and dealers make up such a tiny minority that isn't even factored. The high turn out of Republicans and Teabaggers is the reason why 19 got shot down. 19 could have said no limits, no regulations, no liscensing fees and it still would have lost. Get real, you guys had no effect on it. What we saw last night is that the majority of conservatives are brainwashed by the media/govt. and still think marijuana is some evil harmful substance that should never be allowed to be consumed by responsible adults, end of story.

Very good point.

This is what kills me the most. No matter what the reasons were to vote NO, the only translation the mainstream will see is, "California decides Marijuana still too harmful to legalize."

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Very good point.

This is what kills me the most. No matter what the reasons were to vote NO, the only translation the mainstream will see is, "California decides Marijuana still too harmful to legalize."

Exactly what all of us 19 supporters have been saying from day 1 and now that 19 has failed, people can bring the reefer madness to the table and it will all be substantiated because they can say WE WERE RIGHT. MJ IS HARMFUL AND THE REST OF CALIFORNIANS THINK SO TOO.

Here's an excerpt from my local newspaper:

"That is a very very strong indication [prop.19 failing] that californians have awakened to the problems of legalizing marijuana. I think for too long marijuana has been equated as nothing more than a can of beer in the minds of many. We understand now the importance of getting out the message to everyone about the consequences of marijuana." -Marsha Saben, Californianas for Drug Free Youth.

Nothing about 1 oz. Nothing about 5x5. Nothing about dry counties. Nothing about tax disputes. All anyone is going to hear is marijuana is dangerous and that Califronians don't want it NOW or EVER.

 

[Mr. Bongjangles]

You really don't understand?

CA has been a trend setting state for a long, long time, fashion, music, progressive thinking, etc...
They are like the cool kid in highschool that everyone else takes their cues from.
The message the cool kid sent out to everyone yesterday was that MJ should be illegal.
Watch and see now how nothing gets off the ground in other states for a long time.

Prop19 got 3.4 million votes, and lost by a relatively slim margin in an election with tremendous republican turnout, and pathetic youth turnout. It's pretty amazing when you really take in all the factors involved.

2012 will be a presidential election year, bringing out a more even mix of liberal and conservative voters, and much higher youth turnout. The YesOnProp19 folks already say they will get another prop on the ballot then, and it is likely Washington will try to legalize in 2012 as well.

In a hypothetical 2012 Prop19 re-run, the higher youth and liberal turnout would almost certainly put it over the top. A muted republican turnout vs this election would also put it over the top. Both are essentially a given, so far as historical turnout trends are concerned.

 

[automation]

Here's an excerpt from my local newspaper:

I understand your frustration, but I would ask you to simply ignore propaganda in the media. No reason to give it any attention. Anyone with half a brain would realize that quote is horribly inaccurate and slanted.

Prop19 wasn't the way to go as far as legalization. Don't give up. Someone will write a better law. As Mr. Bongjangles said, in 2012 there is a better chance for a young voter turnout, and maybe by then we can have a proposition that is not poorly worded.

 

[smokefrogg]

well shoot...this means i better renew, errr... pay that $100/year tax to a "doctor"

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

I understand your frustration, but I would ask you to simply ignore propaganda in the media. No reason to give it any attention. Anyone with half a brain would realize that quote is horribly inaccurate and slanted.

Prop19 wasn't the way to go as far as legalization. Don't give up. Someone will write a better law. As Mr. Bongjangles said, in 2012 there is a better chance for a young voter turnout, and maybe by then we can have a proposition that is not poorly worded.

Prop19 WAS the way towards legalization. It was a just fair enough compromise for smokers and non-smokers alike. I think the next legalization to come along will be alot less liberal and id be suprised if they let you grow your own. I think if you guys didn't like 19, your going to dislike the next legalization prop/bill even more....

 

[DankSide]

I understand your frustration, but I would ask you to simply ignore propaganda in the media. No reason to give it any attention. Anyone with half a brain would realize that quote is horribly inaccurate and slanted.

Prop19 wasn't the way to go as far as legalization. Don't give up. Someone will write a better law. As Mr. Bongjangles said, in 2012 there is a better chance for a young voter turnout, and maybe by then we can have a proposition that is not poorly worded.

Problem is there are a lot of people WITHOUT half a brain who will follow whatever their institution of choice is telling them. There are a lot of people uninformed about this subject who COULD have been informed thanks to prop 19. In fact, if prop 19 was to go through, who is to say it would not have had a steamroller effect across the nation?
With headlines like "Pot safe enough to legalize" coming from California, maybe other states would take note.

Problem is this mainstream media assists one way or another in shaping the views of our society as a whole. Maybe, if the growers all voted yes instead of no, then we would have closer margins, but probably still no win. The cannabis hater's perspective overshadows all no votin' growers by a longshot. Those against it for 'business' reasons will be overlooked

 

[automation]

Prop19 WAS the way towards legalization. It was a just fair enough compromise for smokers and non-smokers alike.

I would disagree. Under prop19, the penalty for selling to someone under 21 would have been a 6 month jail sentence, $1000 fine, and 1 year ban from operating business. This means that anyone (government, special interest group, people who blindly oppose weed due to propaganda in the past) could immediately shut down a vendor simply by catching them selling to someone under 21. All vendors could be eliminated within weeks if someone really wanted to shut them down, and then what? Prop19 could have backfired in everyone's face. I believe this is why many people voted no.

I think the next legalization to come along will be alot less liberal and id be suprised if they let you grow your own.

Again, I would have to disagree with you. A lot of the "no" vote came from people who disagreed with the harsh jail terms imposed by prop19. Is a 5 year jail sentence a "liberal" idea? This has nothing to do with "liberal" or "conservative" or any partisan idea. This has to do with people going to jail for sharing a plant, which is wrong. Prop19 was not the way to go in my opinion. We are trying to fix the problem of people being jailed over a plant, not propagate it.

 

[ReelBusy1]

Last year Cali had about 80,000 cannabis arrests.

Next year those 80,000 arrests are the heads of every NO voter of Prop 19.
If you are one of those voters you should be ashamed of yourselves this morning.

 

[FoxxyDoe]

Oh the drama...

 

[CaptainTrips]

Last year Cali had about 80,000 cannabis arrests.

Next year those 80,000 arrests are the heads of every NO voter of Prop 19.
If you are one of those voters you should be ashamed of yourselves this morning.

And what is the nature of those arrests? Sales? Personal grows? What? Chances are prop 19 wouldn't have helped very much, since sales would still largely be illegal, and possession has been lessened even further.

 

[Meds215]

its better the way it has been since 1996, atleast the marlboro man isnt going to collect all the revenue now, dispensaries pay taxes and it is already generating plenty of revenue the way it is now legally for medical patients
plus you know how many people would of tried it for the first time and had knarly anxiety attacks to the er? not everyone can take a bong rip and be cool you know some peoples bodies reject it

 

[SOTF420]

I say we all germinate a bunch of seeds today in protest to these ignorant voter results.

 

[Thundurkel]

problem is the California medical program was exposed for what it is...perfect .but now exposed as an hypocrite system

but the whole world know the cali program is kinda joke ...so how long before some fucktard use that against the system and manage to make their point .

they can safely claim that the mmj program dont work properly if a mmj card is bough only for money .

majority of mmj in cali are in perfect health...how long before they turn the program upside down ?

Not so true, I'm sure I look like a super healthy 20 something to most but I have ANXIETY, EATING DISORDERS, and still dealing with the DEPRESSION of losing my best friend.. I guess I should take Zoloft and Xanax??? 215 was written so ANYTHING that bothers you physically or mentally that you can stop with Cannabis you should be able to have a card... I get so tired of the shit you hear from folks thinking we all need to be on our death bed in a wheel chair with 2 years life left just to use Cannabis medicinally !

 

[TruthOrLie]

No one is telling you to take Xanax or Zoloft.

The point is not limit it only to being a medical remedy.

This is a recreational pass time for many who have no health problems...

...other than Anxiety from Paranoia of being incarcerated or fined for injesting fine 'erb.

 

[CaptainTrips]

Not so true, I'm sure I look like a super healthy 20 something to most but I have ANXIETY, EATING DISORDERS, and still dealing with the DEPRESSION of losing my best friend.. I guess I should take Zoloft and Xanax??? 215 was written so ANYTHING that bothers you physically or mentally that you can stop with Cannabis you should be able to have a card... I get so tired of the shit you hear from folks thinking we all need to be on our death bed in a wheel chair with 2 years life left just to use Cannabis medicinally !

215 is intentionally vague. I think the people who wrote it had referred it as the golden ticket... Lol Basically legal for anyone who is willing to go see a poc "doctor"...

 

[Thundurkel]

I would disagree. Under prop19, the penalty for selling to someone under 21 would have been a 6 month jail sentence, $1000 fine, and 1 year ban from operating business. This means that anyone (government, special interest group, people who blindly oppose weed due to propaganda in the past) could immediately shut down a vendor simply by catching them selling to someone under 21. All vendors could be eliminated within weeks if someone really wanted to shut them down, and then what? Prop19 could have backfired in everyone's face. I believe this is why many people voted no.

Again, I would have to disagree with you. A lot of the "no" vote came from people who disagreed with the harsh jail terms imposed by prop19. Is a 5 year jail sentence a "liberal" idea? This has nothing to do with "liberal" or "conservative" or any partisan idea. This has to do with people going to jail for sharing a plant, which is wrong. Prop19 was not the way to go in my opinion. We are trying to fix the problem of people being jailed over a plant, not propagate it.

THANK YOU!
That was a HUGE part of my reason to vote NO cuz of how many NEW reasons to go to jail over Cannabis. Plus seeing only certain folks being allowed huge warehouses so they can corner the market.

Answer me this... With the way things are now and prices of everything else going up why should the Cannabis grower/supplier have to lower his prices and take a cut in pay when his bills are going up just like the rest of us??? We took over Iraq a long time ago but I still haven't seen gas back to the $1.37 a gallon it was when I started driving back in 03(yea I'm only 26) but folks want to see pot just drop to less than half of what it's been worth???? You guys do realize it costs money to do this shit right? I'm not for HUGE profits but come on nobody really does this for free...

 

[CaptainTrips]

THANK YOU!
That was a HUGE part of my reason to vote NO cuz of how many NEW reasons to go to jail over Cannabis. Plus seeing only certain folks being allowed huge warehouses so they can corner the market.

Answer me this... With the way things are now and prices of everything else going up why should the Cannabis grower/supplier have to lower his prices and take a cut in pay when his bills are going up just like the rest of us??? We took over Iraq a long time ago but I still haven't seen gas back to the $1.37 a gallon it was when I started driving back in 03(yea I'm only 26) but folks want to see pot just drop to less than half of what it's been worth???? You guys do realize it costs money to do this shit right? I'm not for HUGE profits but come on nobody really does this for free...

The price of weed in cali is probably about right. A heavy smoker probably pays as much per month as a moderate toker does in weed. If not more.