Vote NO to legalize cannabis....Or else

[SirStynkalot]

I challenge to anyone to prove this is not happening right now

Logical fallacy. Burden of proof.

 

[ColoradoOG]

Okay I smudged the truth when I said I was only going to make one more post. Truth is I wanted to bait you budtang and you took it. I told you to look at my albums knowing you would come back firing off and well you did. Typical troll mentality so now allow me to put you in your place.

I told you to look at my albums and you said oh my shit cant be top shelf. You automatically assume without asking any questions like how far in flower was that shot,how far do you take your flowers, what method did you use and so many other questions you failed to ask. A dude that knows his shit would ask those questions because a single budshot premature picture simply wont tell you about the quality. None of my pics show a bud that would be close to chop nor do I show the canopy. Truth is I only take shots when people ask me to lol. That DWC pic very old and not a method I even do anymore so you cant even assume you know what method I use.

PS You act like cali is so badass, but you know a better place than cali?I do its called ICMAG where some of the most skilled people from around the world in the industry are.

 

[Jhhnn]

Huh???
Government enables plutocratic corporatism.
The corporations offer the bribes, the government accepts them.
How does our vote change any of that, seeing as how both corrupt parties are bought and paid for?
Only the super rich can run for/win elections.
This is NOT a democracy, and voting for the lesser of two evils is not voting at all. We have no choice. The government is the problem, not the solution.

False premises lead to erroneous conclusions. If corporate corruption were total, as you offer, we wouldn't have truth in lending nor usury laws. We wouldn't have all the statutes surrounding pure food & drugs. We wouldn't have emission standards nor clean water standards, either. Wild game of many sorts would have been hunted to extinction like carrier pigeons. Jim Crow would rule in parts of the country while women's rights & gay rights likely wouldn't even be topics of conversation. Colorado's Amendment 64 never would have passed because citizen's initiatives would have no legal foundation.

Remove the rule of Law & we'd all be easy prey for social predators whenever they could achieve a power advantage, both at a personal & corporate level.

Libertopians aren't realists. They'd like the world their ideology would create a helluva lot less than the world we live in today.

 

[budtang]

Okay I smudged the truth when I said I was only going to make one more post. Truth is I wanted to bait you budtang and you took it. I told you to look at my albums knowing you would come back firing off and well you did. Typical troll mentality so now allow me to put you in your place.

I wasn't making a troll post, bro. I was giving you honest, constructive criticism. Maybe, you're accustomed to having customers who don't know what good weed is supposed to look like and it's rare for you to come into contact with someone like me who actually does. I get the impression that most people in Colorado have never actually seen top shelf. As a top shelf consumer I'm telling you that I would never spend a dollar on your weed. It's a waste of money when there is so much better weed out there.

I told you to look at my albums and you said oh my shit cant be top shelf. You automatically assume without asking any questions like how far in flower was that shot,how far do you take your flowers, what method did you use and so many other questions you failed to ask.A dude that knows his shit would ask those questions because a single budshot premature picture simply wont tell you about the quality.

Are saying every bud in your album is premature? That doesn't appear to be the case. To be honest, I think you're lying. Knowing the growing methods is pretty irrelevant if the bud doesn't appear to be top shelf. The grow medium and methods used only get you so far. The genetics only gets you so far. The quality of the environment only gets you so far. If you slack in any area, then the weed won't be top shelf.

Do you have any top shelf buds to post from your grow operation? Because, there are none in your albums currently. Your buds are too leafy and the calyxes aren't plump enough to be considered top shelf by connoisseur standards. If you post more mature buds and I still don't perceive them as top shelf, what then?

I'm not saying your bud looks bad at all. It's very good bud. It's just not the best as you're claiming. I'm just trying to give you an honest opinion from someone who actually smokes the best weed in the world on a daily basis and will judge your product based on that. Not based on Colorado's mid-grade market. If you try to pawn your bud off as top shelf to someone like me you're going to get called out on it. Deal with it, or get into another business.

With that said, keep up the good work. You're a good grower and have a bright future in this industry as a commercial grower, but not as a top shelf grower. Your shit looks better than most of the weed I see in Colorado. Key word "most", though. Colorado is a mid-grade market full of mid-grade weed. Growing weed that stands out in that market is very easy to do. And, it doesn't look near as good the top shelf OG from Cali. Nothing around the world does. If you tried to take your weed to California you would be out of the job.

PS You act like cali is so badass, but you know a better place than cali?I do its called ICMAG where some of the most skilled people from around the world in the industry are.

The best bud on ICMAG comes from Cali growers. So...

 

[bentom187]

You are projecting fears jhhnn not looking at reality. Believe me we would be much better off without them.

The banking industry is the most heavily regulated industry around and all that happened to them was that the public was forced to bail them out instead of letting them go under. They didn't protect us from them.

The laws that protect the environment don't, case in point the BP oil spill. The government controls the water ways, they charge a fee to companies to let them drill they inspect them and their methods which turned out to be inadequate or probably the result of regulatory capture and all they got was a fine and did a shitty job on the clean up with questionable methods.They are free to repeat the same thing. The damage they caused to economies and the environment was immense.

Jim crow laws were government laws enforced by government you know. Just like public school segregation. Just sayin .....

Women's rights and gay rights would not be topics because they have the same rights as every individual no matter what their differences are. What you are talking about is government granted privileges, which gives advantages to certain groups of people that they would not otherwise possess. Creating inequality. These "rights" came about in response to government policies like marriage licensing and taxes based on marital status. Get them out of peoples lives, and it ceases to be a problem it would just be a personal choice that no one else would have a say in.

And finally there would be no laws against cannabis or any other drug, you would be personally responsible for what you ingest. The idea that government is supposed to protect you just leaves you vulnerable because you wont tend to think of the consequences of what you put in your body. You just think hey its on a shelf in the store it must be safe. Which is not the case. In economics its called a moral hazard.

Regulatory Capture

Definition of 'Regulatory Capture '


Regulatory capture is a theory associated with George Stigler, a Nobel laureate economist. It is the process by which regulatory agencies eventually come to be dominated by the very industries they were charged with regulating. Regulatory capture happens when a regulatory agency, formed to act in the public's interest, eventually acts in ways that benefit the industry it is supposed to be regulating, rather than the public.

Investopedia explains 'Regulatory Capture '


Public interest agencies that come to be controlled by the industry they were charged with regulating are known as captured agencies. Regulatory capture is an example of gamekeeper turns poacher; in other words, the interests the agency set out to protect are ignored in favor of the regulated industry's interests.

So you see all these regulations are just a way to manipulate the law to the advantages of the companies whom otherwise would be responsible for their actions.

 

[Jhhnn]

The laws that protect the environment don't, case in point the BP oil spill.

Hogwash. Denver's air quality is enormously better with the introduction of pollution controls & emissions tests, as it is in a lot of other places as well. It' the same wrt water quality, as well, particularly in places like, you know, the Cuyahoga River-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuyahoga_River

I'm sure that you won't allow mere facts to interfere with the formation of your opinions, however.

 

[SirStynkalot]

Budtang, are you SURE you've grown before? Those look incredible. I'm guessing week sixish on most of them. I'm amazed you can't tell by looking if you're as experienced with the plant and not just the product.

Yeeeah... That calyx/leaf ratio? That's one of the things that gives it away. Of course, you'd have to grow a plant out from start to finish under dialed conditions yourself in order to realize it. Every time you post another comment you bring us great joy.

My guesses are: The white 6.5 weeks, Kush 5 weeks, GDP 7 weeks. Probably tennish week strains.

How'd I do Colorado? Do you recall?

And also props. Those are some mighty fine girls you got in your harem there. I'm starting The White soon myself. Hope it turns out like that.

 

[budtang]

Budtang, are you SURE you've grown before? Those look incredible.

Are you SURE you've seen top shelf before? Those look leafy and mediocre. I don't care how long they've been in flowering. I personally like to smoke bud, not leaves.

My guesses are: The white 6.5 weeks, Kush 5 weeks, GDP 7 weeks. Probably tennish week strains.

lulz He'll probably lie and say,"yes."gl

There's no way that GDP is even 7 weeks. Probably 4 weeks.

 

[ColoradoOG]

rotf lol hahahaha actually u know the dudes pretty damn close I give him props for that one. GDP was off but still that's pretty damn good for a quick glance sirstynk.

budtang lol wow I now hit close to 3lbs a 1000w with commercial strains and with things like kushes like the one pictured at 2 or slightly under. I do a full trim no leaf remaining so theres plenty of bud to smoke and I don't need to leave leaf on to compensate. I have 0 discoloration with my strains no purple stems nothing. Heres a little food for thought lets say for instance we got a blue dream I typically do 12 tops per plant 4 plants per light on a 4x4 spread and catch about an oz per top. You know how fuckin hard it is to hit 3lbs per light? The right strain DIALED is the only way your hitting that. Oh and that's with NO co2 at altitude of 6500 rotf. Enough said bro

Finally just because im from Colorado doesn't mean anything I have blood family heavily invested into cali and Oregon but that's their gig. My gigs out here in colo front lines of legalization.

Sirstynk you'll find you either love or hate the white. I keep her because I personally like her but some of my friends don't like the "bland" hashy taste she gives off. The thing about cannabis is each of us are unique on what we prefer and I highly recommend growing as many varieties as you can. Its interesting to see what selections each of us keep over time. Like the old saying goes bro one mans trash is another mans gold

 

[budtang]

I now hit close to 3lbs a 1000w with commercial strains and with things like kushes like the one pictured at 2 or slightly under.

It's leafy mid-grade fluffy OG grown in a commercial way, then. Just like ALL the OG I've seen from Colorado. You've probably got your lights up as high as possible to cover more sq footage and maximize your GPW$$$$$. That's why you won't post any of your finished nugs. You don't want people to see how leafy it is. The calyxes are going to be small no matter how much leaf you trim off. People are going to see that.

You see the OG's on here and you know it doesn't compete. I don't get how someone has "500 lights" and can't post a single finished nug.gl

 

[SirStynkalot]

Budtang, The gram per watt ratio will tell you generally about flower quality and density from a grower perspective. The better the environment the heavier the output the higher the quality given a baseline minimum genetic capacity. 1.3+ gpw even with commercial strains is nearly unheard of regardless of technique. To achieve that with horizontal lighting is unreal. By comparison, almost all commercial style ops average about .5-.7 gpw. And with OG kush the numbers fall further - a reasonable commercial yield with most stretchy kushes like that is about .3 gpw. He's claiming .9. This guy is putting out about 2-3x the amount of product as the people you're comparing him to with the same equipment and roughly the same techniques. Quality mirroring quantity increases in his case are a reasonable assumption even if you don't believe photos, and the photos aren't definitive but at least a few of them look like they could reasonably put out what he's claiming.

FINISHED Leaf/calyx ratio is largely controlled by genetic factors rather than grow conditions if your environment is even somewhat managed, though almost all plants look like that around week 6. It's characteristic of the transition between stages 4-5 of flower development (stretching out and filling in). For an easy comparison try growing out, say, white widow and white rhino side by side. The widow takes twice as long to clip.

But I'm sure you already knew all this. Because you grow the high grade.

 

[SirStynkalot]

It's leafy mid-grade fluffy OG grown in a commercial way, then. Just like ALL the OG I've seen from Colorado. You've probably got your lights up as high as possible to cover more sq footage and maximize your GPW$$$$$. That's why you won't post any of your finished nugs. You don't want people to see how leafy it is. The calyxes are going to be small no matter how much leaf you trim off. People are going to see that.

You see the OG's on here and you know it doesn't compete. I don't get how someone has "500 lights" and can't post a single finished nug.gl

He said 4x4 spread per light. Standard coverage rate. But you grow so I'm sure you already knew that.

And if he has 500 lights he wouldn't post a picture of a finished bud. Obviously. It's kind enough of him to risk coming out enough to share his experience over the internet. You don't want a paper trail when you do that. Anybody can go to jail for growing. It's the people who are actually DOING it consistently who are considered "growers." The first rule of growing is CYA. The second rule of growing is CYA. That is, unless you're a Colorado resident (but even then, it's still a damn good idea). Which is one of the gajillion benefits to marijuana being legalized the way CO did it. As Jhnnn has pointed out many times.

 

[ColoradoOG]

One who knows what their talking about would understand the higher the light the less your penetrating the canopy therefore greatly reducing your yields. Nice try though try again

 

[SirStynkalot]

Well, let's be fair. If you don't clip it at all you could potentially get "more" than if you grew with the right intensity and clipped well. I knew one old hippie who swore by two lights per 10x10. Course he grew hay, but it weighed because he only pulled fan leaves.

 

[ColoradoOG]

wouldn't doubt that bro but I specifically mentioned a 4x4 rockin 48 tops 4 plants

 

[SirStynkalot]

Yeah, I saw. Plus I know the white's shiny but I don't think it's so shiny it would look like that grown 5' from a bulb. I've seen exactly what Bud's talking about a dozen times in other peoples' grows and my own and it seems to me like trich size goes down faster than bud size most of the time with lumen loss. Totally unscientific opinion but there you have it.

The Amsterdam coffee shop model, for lack of a better term, relies on an increased number of lights higher up and fixed in. Relies on radiant instead of direct lighting to hit the right luminosity at the canopy but lets you avoid burning your tops when you have untrained employees. It's STRAIGHT commercial and requires a way bigger power bill and infrastructure, but it does work if your margins are high enough to justify it.

Is that what you were referring to, Budtang? The most common legal commercial grow op technique in recent history? Because it works, but you got it backward. It kills electrical efficiency. Folk decide whether it's worth it or not by comparing electricity prices to labor costs in their area so on a commercial scale it might be more "efficient" in terms of overall costs.

 

[bentom187]

Hogwash. Denver's air quality is enormously better with the introduction of pollution controls & emissions tests, as it is in a lot of other places as well. It' the same wrt water quality, as well, particularly in places like, you know, the Cuyahoga River-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuyahoga_River

I'm sure that you won't allow mere facts to interfere with the formation of your opinions, however.

Ok I think you miss perhaps the point of the water being owned by government. And that if it was privately owned would have prevented that long before the pollution was a major issue because private owners could have litigated in court for damages and the polluter would have to stop what its doing.
Who wants to pollute their own property and drive down its value and its potential uses ?
Since it is public no one cares and expects someone else to take up the problem.
The EPA is hardly the success people make it out to be. Especially with consideration to its mission creep into being a weapon of politicians. Also consider the possibility that the air quality issue may have already been a trend as a result of technological advances since everyone including myself wants a clean environment and will pay for improvements and advancements that work voluntarily.

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[RetroGrow]

False premises lead to erroneous conclusions. If corporate corruption were total, as you offer, we wouldn't have truth in lending nor usury laws. We wouldn't have all the statutes surrounding pure food & drugs. We wouldn't have emission standards nor clean water standards, either. Wild game of many sorts would have been hunted to extinction like carrier pigeons. Jim Crow would rule in parts of the country while women's rights & gay rights likely wouldn't even be topics of conversation. Colorado's Amendment 64 never would have passed because citizen's initiatives would have no legal foundation.

Remove the rule of Law & we'd all be easy prey for social predators whenever they could achieve a power advantage, both at a personal & corporate level.

Libertopians aren't realists. They'd like the world their ideology would create a helluva lot less than the world we live in today.

The notion that the government works for us is laughable. We work for them. They are the one per cent, we, the 99. Your naivete is stunning. Keep drinking that kool aide, and imagining that Hillary is coming to our rescue. The destruction of our country that is happening right now on our southern borders is unprecedented. This is corporate rule by proxy. The corporations want cheap labor, and their minions in the government are more than happy to provide it, because that's how they remain in the one percent, and that's how they keep us, the 99 percent, down. We have been sold out by the very people who are supposed to serve us. Every poll shows that the vast majority of Americans don't want this invasion of OUR country, yet your government absolutely ignores them.
Your president has violated the constitution on numerous occasions, against the will of the people, yet you choose to ignore that. The man is a traitor who should be in chains, yet they dare not impeach him, despite numerous impeachable offenses, for fear of the PC police. If he weren't half black, he would be already gone. 85 individuals own 40% of the planet.
This administration is easily the worst in history, yet you applaud them. You have been absorbed. Sad.

"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson

 

[budtang]

He said 4x4 spread per light. Standard coverage rate. But you grow so I'm sure you already knew that.

He edited that in after I replied. That wasn't in the original post.

Why don't you stop interrupting the discussion with your troll post?

And if he has 500 lights he wouldn't post a picture of a finished bud. Obviously. It's kind enough of him to risk coming out enough to share his experience over the internet. You don't want a paper trail when you do that.

What?????? It's all evidence. Buds that are 6 weeks mature are just as incriminating as fully mature buds. There is no legal difference. There are operations on here way bigger than his and they're not running into legal trouble. All the shit on this forum and this guy can't post a gram. Hilarious.

Anybody can go to jail for growing. It's the people who are actually DOING it consistently who are considered "growers." The first rule of growing is CYA. The second rule of growing is CYA. That is, unless you're a Colorado resident (but even then, it's still a damn good idea). Which is one of the gajillion benefits to marijuana being legalized the way CO did it. As Jhnnn has pointed out many times.

Are you still talking? There are good solid 4-5 post up there that I didn't even bother reading that you made because I'm tired of listening to you make your case for your mid-grade. I'm still trying to figure out what this discussion has to do with you? Are you Colorado OG? I'm talking to him. You just keep making dumbass troll posts. It's pretty annoying.

I guess mid-grade growers stick together, huh? Birds of Feather.

 

[budtang]

One who knows what their talking about would understand the higher the light the less your penetrating the canopy therefore greatly reducing your yields. Nice try though try again

Can you please stop avoiding the issue and post some finished product? It's pretty obvious that all you have to show is some shitty mid-grade. How many times am I going to have to ask you to do this? You have 500 lights and you can't post a single picture of a harvested bud. This is comedic.

You should change your name to ColoradoMid-Grade. lulz