Vietnamese friend always same weed???

[TGT]

I have a vietnamese friend I purchase off once in a while and this weed he has is in very large amounts all over Canada. The weird thing is it always looks the same, smells the same and has the same mediocre buzz. Him and his family and friends have been passing this stuff off for a good seven years now and it went well in the beginning because it was always dry and fairly good, but most of all it was cheap. Skip ahead another 7 years and times have changed. He is having a harder and harder time getting rid of it and he has to keep reducing his price. He said most goes to the USA now (I feel sorry for ya's!). I am sure a lot of you know of the weed I talk about.

I figured I would help him out and gave him a nice clone of AK47 that I grow all the time and it's a large producer, just what they would want. I explained to him he has to change his strain or else sales will always be slow and eventually come to a hault. He agreed but stated that his family and friends would not change as they are very stuborn, but he would.

So he grew out my strain of AK47 and brought the finished product over to show me. To my suprise it looked exactly like the old bunk stuff! I couldn't believe it. For me it is always dank and very potent, but now it was just like all his other product. I came to the conclusion it must be the way he is growing.

My question is, what could he be doing to this stuff to make it always look the same regardless of the strain? He once told me he used hydrogen peroxide to make the buds rock hard, and this is a trait everyone relates to the vietnamese weed, not to mention the strange smell like fabric softener. I wonder if this could be it? I know they don't take their time and they think of the weed only as money so it could never be as good as something we would grow, but I would think a good strain would help out a little.

Any comments on this would be appreciated as it has me totally stumped. Thanks in advance!

TGT

 

[b8man]

Probably growing in far from optimum conditions and uses the wrong nutes. Hydrogen peroxide??? jeezus! I guess they were happy enough with the product they were getting that they never bothered upgrading to quality gardening supplies.

Either that or he's lying and keeping the AK for himself (or other customer).

I think you should point out to him that buyers will turn against the seller if the product is tainted. A grower that uses products on his plants that will ultimately damage the health of the user is an evil SOB and should be put out of business ASAP.

Warn him.

 

[TGT]

I really should not call him a friend, rather an aquantence. I know forsure he used my AK47 clone and the buds he showed me were it because when I broke open one of the buds it had a mild smell exactly of the AK, but just highly dilluted. I don't really think him or the others that produce this stuff care about what they use on their plants. As long as it sells they are happy. You are correct though in that eventually the customers will turn against the seller because that is exactly what is happening now. People realize it's buds made only to make money and the taste is horrible because of the stuff they put in it. I personally would rather smoke mexican brick weed over this stuff. The only reason it did well the first four or five years is it looks far greater than it is, it's large counts and it's cheap. Also, when this stuff first came out it was the norm for good indoor pot to be moist and not dried all that good. Their stuff was always dry so people bought it up by the ton - literally.

TGT

 

[ixnay007]

Hydrogen peroxide is just water with (lots of) dissolved oxygen, how in the hell does that make buds denser???

 

[SensimillaWolf]

hydrogen peroxide might provide more oxygen to the roots but I think it would kill all beneficial bacteria along with the bad kinds... your acquaintance is probably growing straight up unflushed, uncured hydro. just hand him this site's address and let him work for KO buds.

 

[ARTofMAKINGfire]

Word. Sounds like what b8man said. He's either giving you the shitty weed still, or his setup is WAY flucked up. Either way, tell that MF'er NOT to send that shit down here... RETURN TO SENDA! ADDRESS UNKNOWN!

 

[Stalldaworld]

is it beast? does it lok like beast, smell like beast... real dense, moist, red hairs?
beast beast beast beast beast..... c.r.a.p?

 

[TGT]

It's not beast I don't think, around here we just call it vietnamese weed. There are two kinds, one is dark with very read hairs and super dense nugs. They are all pretty much the same medium sized nugs. The smell is like hay and this is the cheapest and worst of the two. The second kind is a lighter green, really crystally and looks better than it is by far. It too is dense and dry, may be not as dry as the brown crap but not moist by any means (unless were in a dry spell, then it's more moist than usual). This better of the two smells like fabric softener. My one friend refers to it as the moth ball weed as he says that is what the smell reminds him of, but I say fabric softener still. Both burn the same and smell bad. The ash is dark and it tastes like it is filled with chemicals. A couple times we got a few batches that actually smelled like burnt hair when fired up and the taste was intolerable. Also had a hard time burning, but strangly it looked the same as all the other stuff we have gotten previously. Usually it burns fine but the ash is never white.

I actually have a batch of the second type here so I will take a couple pictures and post them. I am sure all of you have seen this stuff around no matter what part of Canada or the USA you are from. It's done by many different families around the Golden Horseshoe area and then from here is shipped off all over the place.

Still I find it weird that many different families grow it and it all looks the same. It is as though it all came from the same mega garden, but that is not the case.

TGT

 

[NorCal]

your dealing with people involved in commercial production and organized crime, that have been taught to grow by elders who do not change anything up becuase if they did they could lose money, and thats a no no.

no smell, well if you got 100k runing then you dont want to have a smelly strain
its probably very hardy and mite/mildew resistant and yields outrageously.

 

[chubbynugs]

The fabric softener smell is the beaster smell to me for sure. They use horrible curing and shipping methods.Seems like that stuff is getting sent to southern cali a lot less than it used to come around. We wont smoke that crap down here anymore. Tell your buddy to use better nutes and flush his plants. Also please tell him to keep the weed in canada and not try to ship down to California.

 

[steve green]

Bonjour TGT

Well you did try and help you"friend"out-that was a nice gesture i think -but some i would imagine ,would just stick with whats been working-commercial wise too.
you say its mere routine for this guy-he deals all kinds-and like u say only does this strain.
So you tried.
-and when he grew your clone it turned out like his other weed ..hhmm//hmmm ..since hes more of an aquantence too you.
Dont stress-you are already smoking some bomb weed im sure-
Here in Montreal-the city that runs on
HOCKEY-TELEMARKETING-WEED,everyone should be smokin' some nice cron-we got all kinds just keep m39 away from me. send it to the states j/k

sorry to ramble
peace

 

[Charles Xavier]

Greetings TGT.

The 'light-green' product is a phenotype of M-39.

The 'dark-green' product is either Sensi Seeds' Hashplant or Supreme Deviant's selection of Northern Lights.

The Friesland Indica is also occasionally utilized, but less so because it is more costly to produce (read: 'more difficult to dial-in').

Before this Reservation's Bubblegum, "the biker's" G-13, or the B.C. BigBud were the strains (phenotypes) of choice for the Vietnamese Commercial Cultivator.

The product is usually expertly cultivated in highly efficient and clean 'grow-ops'. The lack of quality stems from the points that the product is harvested after forty-five (45) days of flowering, the quick drying of the colas, and the relatively rough treatment they (the colas) receive during processing (manicuring, packing, distribution, etc.).

There is no question that these individuals do indeed 'know how to grow'; however, there is also no question that these individuals operate their businesses in the most profitable (financially speaking) manner.

Why does all the product look the same? ... The same clones, grown similarly across the board.

An aside: Serious Seeds AK-47 was passed on because it doesn't conform to the chosen and utilized method of cultivation. At forty-five (45) days it yields less and is less potent that the strains (phenotypes) already in use. In addition, Serious Seeds' AK-47's usually pungent smell is (not unreasonable for the scenario) deemed a detriment.

Also: In relation to this thread, the hows and whys do not matter...but the demand for commercial product has not declined. The 'appearance' of this lessening demand is in actuality a reflection of the slightly more complicated (difficult) process of export post September 11th, 2001.

As well: No individual who is truly connected to "the Coda" is 'street dealing' or accepting a single clone from some mere acquaintance. Unfortunately, that fact, colours the initial post; it casts some shadow on the stated motive.

Anyway...I hope you find the answers you are seeking.

Sincerely,
Charles.

 

[wicked gh0st]

find a diffrent friend that has the better weed

 

[lc00p4]

this is very interesting. i am vietnamese and it seems like i've been cursed with beasters. yesterday i had a buddy get a sack for me and when he came back it was two tiny wet ass nuggs that had black mold all over from being so moist. a lot of my friends pick up from different people and they too get wet ass moldy beasters. i just wish they would stop shipping that stuff here cuz i would rather smoke any brick before that shit. hell, they make me pay $25 for a half eighth that disappears in 2 bowls. i had to throw away that sack i got because it was so god damn black. keep spreading that AK around and maybe they will stop with the beast. i definitely know the mothball/fabric softener weed... shit sucks and tastes like poop. tell your buddy to stop dealing beast!

 

[TGT]

Norcal:
"your dealing with people involved in commercial production and organized crime, that have been taught to grow by elders who do not change anything up becuase if they did they could lose money, and thats a no no.

no smell, well if you got 100k runing then you dont want to have a smelly strain
its probably very hardy and mite/mildew resistant and yields outrageously."

You are so right when you say they are taught by their elders. This "friend" has been taught by his brother and the majority of the weed comes from him. He says his brother will not trust him with grows anymore as he got into the heroin, and to them that stuff and business is a disaster waiting to happen. They also deal in that to a greater extent. So now he is freelancing so to speak and staying away from the itchy, but still constantly gets stuff sent to him from his brother to sell.

I had a long conversation with him once and he told me the way it is done around the Toronto area is they will commonly get a family to come over from vietname (children, wife, babies - the works) with no prior grow knowledge. Then they will set up the family in a low priced residential home and fill the basement with 10 1000's or so and get the family to take care of it until it is done. This way they have a family living there and it looks much better than an empty house. He says they even get the little children to tend the gardens. To us that sounds terrible, but you have to understand they are from a completely different culture. They send the single's to do the apartment grows. Sometimes when they get busted they just pack up and go back to vietname or put the places in false names and have it monitored over the internet to see if it is safe to return.

There was a big bust here this summer in the Toronto area involving a few highrise buildings with the hydro included. This is a favorite place for them to grow as they don't have to pay for the hydro. They too had camera's to warn them of the places getting raided.

JJScorpio:
"Sounds to me like the beasters.

The Indiams on the Reservation grow the most of it but it sounds like your friend got the "recipe". The most is grown hydro with the nutes pounded to it. I had been told a lot of hydrogen peroxide was used but in what amounts I don't know."

It could be beasters like, or even considered beasters. I think "beasters" is sometimes used as just a generic term for mass produced commercial weed that all looks similar. But I know of the beasters you are speaking about and yes it does look similar.

I know for a fact he gives it way too much nutes as one time he told me what I should be giving my plants and I almost laughed in his face. I didn't though, but it was hard not too. Also, he has talked more than once about hydrogen peroxide, but I don't know the dose either. They do use it all the time though, for what reason I can't figure out.

Charles Xavier:
"The 'light-green' product is a phenotype of M-39.

The 'dark-green' product is either Sensi Seeds' Hashplant or Supreme Deviant's selection of Northern Lights.

The Friesland Indica is also occasionally utilized, but less so because it is more costly to produce (read: 'more difficult to dial-in')."

The strains you listed make sense as I have seen them growing once when he brought me too a garden. It makes sense.

"The product is usually expertly cultivated in highly efficient and clean 'grow-ops'. The lack of quality stems from the points that the product is harvested after forty-five (45) days of flowering, the quick drying of the colas, and the relatively rough treatment they (the colas) receive during processing (manicuring, packing, distribution, etc.)."

About the product being expertly cultivated, I have to diagree. At least with whom the people I speak of. I know for a fact most of the vietnamese grows here in the Golden Horseshoe area are all grown in Promix and are far from expertly grown. Like I wrote earlier, a lot of these people are just farmers from vietname brought over with no prior knowledge of growing weed. From what my "friend' says, the recipe he gives them produces really well and even a monkey could do it. Also, all the plants (thousands) that were taken from various highrises all over the Toronto area were also grown in Promix. I seen one of his a while back and it was far from perfect, but he still yeilded 2.5 pounds per light. I guess it's the strain. That is probably a good reason why they don't want to switch. Like Norcal already stated, it's probably a great producer, mite and mildew resistant and doesn't have much smell as some gardens don't even have to use a scrubber.

I believe you are 100% in saying they harvest early and this compounded with the quick drying method and no cure time doesn't help quality to say the least.

I know for a fact though that he did one crop of my AK47 strain as I seen it growing with my own eyes, and it looked identical to the weed he always has. I come to the conclusion It must be a combination of the environment, drying procedure, use of peroxide, extreme heat and mass nutrients.

Thanks for all the replies, It was very interesting. Any other comments please feel free as I would like to understand this as best I can. I don't know why I need to know? - I guess it just interests me.

TGT

 

[Stalldaworld]

did you say you had picks?

 

[TGT]

I tried to upload the pic's but this comes up when I try:

Unable to read the format of file: /data/web/icmag/icmag.com/www/gallery/data/500/14882vietnamese2.jpg

I have done this a hundred times before, what the heck is the prob.???

TGT

 

[TGT]

I can't post any new pics for some reason, so I want to see if I can post an old one. Here is a pic of the AK47 strain I gave my friend to try out. His turned out not anything like mine.




Well, let's see if this one works!

TGT

 

[TGT]

Okay, for some reason it worked now. Here is the weed I have been talking about. This is the better of the two. The other version looks exactly the same, but is darker and has more red hairs and less crystal. Is this what people call 'Beasters', because we around here it's just know as Vietnamese weed. Actually everyone calls it a short form for vietnamese that is kind of racist, so I don't like sayng it that way and won't write it out of respect. I say Vietnamese, but others whom like to insult say it a different way. Anyways, what do you guys think? Pretty crappy eh?





TGT

 

[chubbynugs]

That be the beasteronis thar! Just curious what does that crap run for up there? I remember like five years ago i used to move ten packs every few days and they used to run me around 2600 per pound. Used to sell em for 3200 all day long but stopped sellin it cause people stopped buying it.