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Ichabod Crane

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FFS, the least you could do is to hook up drippers... Even if you just plugged it in to water. Just seems a silly waste of time and effort... Hand watering 20 plants 3 weeks into flower made me switch to DTW. I am even looking into setting up my clones on DTW.

I will be setting up a DTW but I have trimmed 7 pounds this month. I have to address my heat issues first. The hand watering only takes about 45 minutes a day.
 

catalyte

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i gotta say i'm not too keen on those Blumats after hearing about everyone's problems dialing them in on here... it think it's a great concept but clearly has shortcomings in terms of reliability and ease of use....
 

DrFever

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I have no USD left and no StrawDD either to get pictures. Both of those are long gone. I don't have mine tested either. I would supected it would not test as high as Bobbleheads as I have serious heat issues. Most of the Sour Diesel foxtailed in the room shown. I am looking at a 24K AC unit. Been talking to Mister D about it. Found out one of my portable ac's had a hose come loose again. This is just starting to PO me. Bad enough they don't keep the heat out that they blow it back in every so often. Really really torked about that. I am just pissed at these damn things. I could just scream.

And those Fing blumats easier my ass. Every day I go in there one has run away. How can I leave when they rotate threw the grow and randomly run away. I think I have a way to do drain to waste and will be setting that up soon. F the blumats, I want some thing to work when I put it together. I don't want too have to spend a week adjusting it or worrying that after 5 days it suddenly does not work. I do exactly what people say to do and it craps out. I think their quality has slipped because of the number of people who have recently gotten them and they don't work right.
Didn't realize you used blumats IMO i think there a joke period best part about growing is getting up close and personal in my books
And also i think them blumats are a recipe for destruction like you said either they work or not i can just see someone going into there room a week later to see plants dryed up and dead lol
 

megayields

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I will be setting up a DTW but I have trimmed 7 pounds this month. I have to address my heat issues first. The hand watering only takes about 45 minutes a day.

Wahh .....wahhhh call the wahmbulance omg you HAD to trim 7 bows of mice infested, heat stressed, mite infiltrated top notch boo.....ohhh boo hoo:moon:

You know I'm just ribbing you right?
 

Ichabod Crane

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Didn't realize you used blumats IMO i think there a joke period best part about growing is getting up close and personal in my books
And also i think them blumats are a recipe for destruction like you said either they work or not i can just see someone going into there room a week later to see plants dryed up and dead lol

This was my first run with blumats and I ended up hand watering after the first week and a half. I thought it was the floor dry on the top of the pots messing them up but it appears not to be the case.

I have since used them on other plants and had a plant dry out and flood both withing one notch between arrows. I don't know how you could dial that in as it is almost impossible to get inbetween about 1 degree on the dial. I blew all the air out of the blumat underwater and capped it underwater before I installed it. I soaked it for days in the water before hand as well. I checked the line and there were no obstructions. Before I set it up I ran water threw for several minute to clean any air out. So the only thing I can assume is that the sensors I defective. I have had problems with all of the ones I set up.
 
I have since used them on other plants and had a plant dry out and flood both withing one notch between arrows. I don't know how you could dial that in as it is almost impossible to get inbetween about 1 degree on the dial. I blew all the air out of the blumat underwater and capped it underwater before I installed it. I soaked it for days in the water before hand as well. I checked the line and there were no obstructions. Before I set it up I ran water threw for several minute to clean any air out. So the only thing I can assume is that the sensors I defective. I have had problems with all of the ones I set up.

A couple ideas,

Is your reservoir maintained at a constant level?

You mentioned heat issues in another post; perhaps you have vapor lock in your feed lines. Are your lines insulated?
 

redbudduckfoot

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yeah man, so easy, blumats be. running 50+ right now. 2lb per light(1K) easy.

soak the pots to runoff
insert blumats
adjust to "cling -2"
keep rez pressure constant(the most important thing)
walk away

seriously guys, you should see the growth with these things. Coke can size colas on day 35. Sour D. i will never do a soil run with out them. run em a little dry during stretch, and then a little wet after, a recipe for success.

don't give up on them, even Bobble is giving good reports on them now. He just swears at them more now, and they stay in line, lol. "Fucking Blumats, hate these goddamn things!"

rbdf

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Ichabod Crane

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A couple ideas,

Is your reservoir maintained at a constant level?

You mentioned heat issues in another post; perhaps you have vapor lock in your feed lines. Are your lines insulated?

I have a pump in a separate reservoir to keep it at constant pressure.

yeah man, so easy, blumats be. running 50+ right now. 2lb per light(1K) easy.

soak the pots to runoff
insert blumats
adjust to "cling -2"
keep rez pressure constant(the most important thing)
walk away

seriously guys, you should see the growth with these things. Coke can size colas on day 35. Sour D. i will never do a soil run with out them. run em a little dry during stretch, and then a little wet after, a recipe for success.

don't give up on them, even Bobble is giving good reports on them now. He just swears at them more now, and they stay in line, lol. "Fucking Blumats, hate these goddamn things!"

rbdf

Rbdf

I have done what you said above and have found I can't even move it one slash between the two arrows with out it drying out or flooding. Seriously I can't even move it one arrow with out going from one extreme to the other.

I am not getting vapor lock the high temps are mid to upper 80's. Not supper extreme but enough to get fox tailing. Not sure about canopy temps this is taken on a thermometer hung on the screen behind the plant in front of the reflectix.

I thought of just crushing the bastards with a hammer.

I think I just got some with bad ceramics because they will work great for several days then flood or dry out. That is if I don't have problems from the get go.
 
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DaveTheNewbie

theres so many good experienced growers fighting and loosing against blumats on these threads.
and many winning.
but with so many negative reports you gotta wonder whats going on. I suspect manufacturing issues.
i was going to build a RDWC and people talked me into blumats instead. Easy to use, foolproof, best thing ever, cant go wrong, etc etc.
im loosing plants left right and center, flooding rooms, and just generally dying out here.
im now looking into all the hype behind PPKs, but its gonna be either that or a simple RDWC setup.
swearing at them hasnt worked for me, but christ ive been swearing !
 

bobblehead

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I think it's the medium... Rbdf just said he grows in soil. Flowerfarmer uses straight coco. Idk that blumats are well suited to a chunky/aerated coco mix. I hate the damn things... That's not to say that I haven't figured out how to make them work... But how long did it take me? There's more reports of people having trouble with blumats than success. There's a whole thread about how to make them work. Why do they require so much reading to learn how to operate? Nutrient solution is one of the cheaper expenses in this hobby... I'll send some of it down the drain to ensure my plants get what they need. Just my $0.02 as a cropper.
 

Ichabod Crane

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I have a limited number of plants to work with and can not afford to lose one plant. There fore I will forgo the possible loss of a plant with something that is more consistent in the long run for me. As Bobble has said nutes are cheap. The formula I posted at the beginning of this thread cost me less than a penny and a half per gallon. I generally only use about 55 gallons per plant for flower. If I double my nute use for all of flower that is still only about a extra $0.75 per plant versus a several thousand dollar loss. It would take a lot of nutes to get to that point.
 
I think it's the medium... Rbdf just said he grows in soil. Flowerfarmer uses straight coco. Idk that blumats are well suited to a chunky/aerated coco mix. I hate the damn things... That's not to say that I haven't figured out how to make them work... But how long did it take me? There's more reports of people having trouble with blumats than success. There's a whole thread about how to make them work. Why do they require so much reading to learn how to operate? Nutrient solution is one of the cheaper expenses in this hobby... I'll send some of it down the drain to ensure my plants get what they need. Just my $0.02 as a cropper.

Careful with sending those nutes down the drain unless it's into regularly flushing pipes. I learned that the hard way when I got ready to sell my house. My basement was off the charts when they tested for radon LOL $3,000 later and a miniature superdome looking contraption it finally sold.
 
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DaveTheNewbie

I think it's the medium... Rbdf just said he grows in soil. Flowerfarmer uses straight coco. Idk that blumats are well suited to a chunky/aerated coco mix.

ahh so a slower draining more absorbent medium is the go? That makes sense to me. Pure coco without the 50% perlite. Some guy (cat?) is growing blumats and turdface, which is super fast draining, not sure how that works but he seems very happy.

EDIT : in fact this have given me real hope as to why some people love blumats and i really hate them.
 

megayields

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megayields

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Hey are you still alive? Lol....this thread needs an update....I need to see those PM. And mite infested buds dude...sorry been way too busy last few days....looking forward to getting home soon. Gro bro said the NYCD X BUBBA KUSH is now 18' tall AND STILL FINISHING @ 21 weeks.... Dahyammmn!
 

Ichabod Crane

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Show them a pict of the tractor!

I don't have pictures loaded of it. For everyone else I traded 60 zips for a $18k Kabota. It has a bunch of attachments mainly a 5 foot two stage snow thrower. I expect about 160-180 inches of snow this year. That is if the wind patterns don't change and put me in the snow belt. Then I will have to add about another 60-70 inches.

No shoveling this year for me. Yeh.
 

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