Using Honey

[Guest]

Fermented and bubbled it is leftovers from yeast alcahol (unless you bubble it away too) small amount depending on what sugar cocentration. Ammino acids, lecitin , B vitamines, ash or other particles depending on the sugar used. ie sulfer,ash and minerals. The aerobic bacteria and their by products, enzymes and antibiotics that kill anarobic bacterium. I add some michrozial fungal spores for good measure

 

[kush07]

how do u use honey as a rootin hormone? dilute and dip the stalk in? mix with othr rootin powders?

 

[jaykush]

just dip in the honey put in medium. no need for other rooting powders. or to dilute.

 

[filimagno]

Any sugar is antibiotic in high concentrations, just as salt and sulfer.

as right as i've write before...this is one point.(50% or more; in case of the sugars)

 

[filimagno]

Then I have the idea.


Sugars can cause problems due to the fermentation of sugars using oxygen in the soil that other organic processes need.

Brix is the result of healthy organic soil providing nutrients to the plant through the bilogical life in the soil.

Do I have it right filimagno ?

I'm cool with this..

I respect your point and welcome your comments.

tha's absolutely right man...and exactly what i'm talking about before in my post.


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I made a reply about people using honey, molasses and even sugar and I need to think this through.

I'm trying to work out how it seems to help.

I'm gonna give it some thought.
Alone it can cause problems but mixed it seems not to...

I don't know...

so..i explain better: IF THE SUGARS AND PROTEIN ARE YEASTED DURING THE PROCESS OF PRODUCTION WITH MOLASSES OR BET MOLASSES,THE REACTION MAKE THIS WORK DURING THE PROCESS AND NOT IN THE SOIL....OK?!..THIS IS BETTER FOR THE SOIL-FOODWEB SHELF LIFE!!

IS THE SAME STORY THAT U CAN'T PUT DIRECTLY FRESH MATTER IN THE SOIL...BUT U MUST TO COMPOST IT BY AEROBIC FERMENTATION AND BECAME WORM CASTING BEFORE TAKE THIS ONE TO THE PLANTS OR PUT IN SOILMIXES.

 

[filimagno]

Tentatively


This is what I believe.

1. That sugars stimulate microbial life. It is an empty effort from the point of plant nutrients. The real work is when Carbon materials ( browns ) and Nitrogen materials ( greens ) are converted to plant ready nutrients.

2. Other elements contained in the presence of these sugars can provide nutrients such as in the case of BlackStrap molasses.

3. That microbial life is stimulated then a potentail to increase microbial populations exists. This in the presence of Greens and Browns may provide a boost in nutrients. I can only assume.

Tentative conclusion:

Using Molasses, Honey or even sugars is possible but not as a main food source.
Plants do not, as far as I know, uptake any sugars.
A thriving microbial population and an abundant greens and browns may provide a boost in nutrients and explain the positive results I have read about and have experienced

I consider Honey a booster to microbial action and I shall always strive to limit the amounts and frequency that I add it to the soil to avoid excessive fermentation and oxygen problems.
I will consider the organic fertilizers I have added and the state of the organic materials rich in carbon in my soil when I wish to use Honey or Molasses.

High Brix is a result of a healthy organic soil providing peak nutrients and also it is the result of genetics that can take advantage of such an environment.


Another important factor is what kind of container your are using.
There is a big difference between a 30 cubic foot planter bed and a 5 gallon plastic pot.
Microbial action is greater in a large area full of materials.

That seems to be the thing. Ask 10 Organic Soil gardeners and get 10 differing answers. Because they are all experiencing things from a unique point of view.



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I welcome feedback.

IT'S ALL GOOD BRO ...and it's a very great point of view...believe me,there're not lot point of view between organics gardener,but there's a great confusion on the market who don't notice the ingredients of her fertilizers ...and there's a lot of guys who hope that cheap remedy are so good as a quality fertilizer made by a years of fermentation of process.

ps...only the last thing:

Using Molasses, Honey or even sugars is possible but not as a main food source.
Plants do not, as far as I know, uptake any sugars.

that's not true ...sugars make the same function of the amminoacids ,they veicule other elements and minerals troghout the parenchima to the phloema in a quickly way than normal.(boost effect)

if not there's no matter why the roots trade sugars and vitamins with the beneficial fungy like mycorrizae and saprophytes.

 

[JackTheGrower]

ps...only the last thing:

that's not true ...sugars make the same function of the amminoacids ,they veicule other elements and minerals troghout the parenchima to the phloema in a quickly way than normal.(boost effect)

if not there's no matter why the roots trade sugars and vitamins with the beneficial fungy like mycorrizae and saprophytes.

Which ones?

I didn't know this...

I hate spreading misinformation.

Is there a source I can study?

Here is what I found

phloem also called bast tissues in plants that conduct foods made in the leaves to all other parts of the plant.
phloem is formed by the apical meristems (zones of new cell production) of root and shoot tips;



parenchima The ground, or fundamental, tissue systems of plants consist of three types of tissue. The first, called parenchyma, is found throughout the plant and is living and capable of cell division at maturity. Usually only primary walls are present, and these are uniformly thickened. The cells of parenchyma tissue carry out many specialized physiological functions—for example, photosynthesis, storage, secretion, and wound healing. They also occur in the xylem and phloem tissues.



I didn't find any examples of sugars uptake from soil through the roots. Nor what sugars marijuana uptakes.

Not that it doesn't exist as you mention.

I am perplexed because I thought the roots provide sugars to Mycorrhizal fungi.


I really need to know.

I assume the "boost" comes from an increased microbe population processing more materials and providing more to the roots faster.
I aslo thought that is what you wrote.

 

[pescador]

I read that molasses has antifungal properties. This would be bad. Is this true?

 

[pescador]

I should mention that I used benificial fungal spores in my soil mix, and I read that molasses has mild antifungal prperties from the grower's bible.

 

[filimagno]

Which ones?

I didn't know this...

I hate spreading misinformation.

Is there a source I can study?

Here is what I found

phloem also called bast tissues in plants that conduct foods made in the leaves to all other parts of the plant.
phloem is formed by the apical meristems (zones of new cell production) of root and shoot tips;



parenchima The ground, or fundamental, tissue systems of plants consist of three types of tissue. The first, called parenchyma, is found throughout the plant and is living and capable of cell division at maturity. Usually only primary walls are present, and these are uniformly thickened. The cells of parenchyma tissue carry out many specialized physiological functions—for example, photosynthesis, storage, secretion, and wound healing. They also occur in the xylem and phloem tissues.



I didn't find any examples of sugars uptake from soil through the roots. Nor what sugars marijuana uptakes.

Not that it doesn't exist as you mention.

I am perplexed because I thought the roots provide sugars to Mycorrhizal fungi.


I really need to know.

I assume the "boost" comes from an increased microbe population processing more materials and providing more to the roots faster.
I aslo thought that is what you wrote.

hey dude ..i got a book of physiology ..and there's a chapter dedicated on liquid traslocation in the parenchima to the phloem...and it shows an experiment where the sugars are carried by a fluorescent substance who can be detected by the electronic microscope.is possible to see that the sugar flow within the water and other minerals trough the parenchima in the phloem.

phloem is the main route of the liquid translocation..and not only in the stems where there's the replication cells mainly.

phloem made the uptake of the minerals in the leaves ...
and downtake the organics compunds sintetyzed by the process of fotosintesis and metabolism in all the sites where the plant need it or store it.
this process is called "SITE\SINK relation" and is like the osmotic process for the uptake of the roots absorbition.

graet discussion dude...peace fili

 

[JackTheGrower]

Okay we ARE talking in plant transfers..

I'm cool with that.

I was thinking you were saying that feeding plants sugars was a food to them.

 

[Dan42nepa]

I had bought a bottle of bio bloom but when I went to use it. I noticed the ingredients were derived from molasses and sea kelp which I was using anyway. So far i have used mollases every second or 3rd feeding and have noticed no problems. I am on day 91 from seed.