How frequently are you using it with R/O water?4 times a grow?Every time you water?Through the years starting on OG I've probably asked this question three or four times never really getting a concensus.I'm using it about 4 times in veg and four times in flower thereabouts.
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Using cal-mag or magical
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Anyone else like to chime in?Dr Fever your plants are beautiful but so are mine and I'm using it much less frequently than you.Using R/O water you would think using a mag/cal supplement to be a very important aspect,but we are both getting killer plants using different amounts.Thats why I'd like to hear from more folks
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mugenbao
Why is "consensus" so important that you've been seeking it for years? You won't ever get a strong consensus on the subject because everyone has a different combination of nutrients and additives, growing mediums (even different kinds of soil mix), environmental factors, and strains.
It's fundamentally unavoidable that people who have a different set of parameters for other factors will have different answers regarding the use of CalMg.
For what it's worth (not much really) and for the sake of providing an answer, I use it every watering. When I use it at all, which is dictated by whether the plants seem to need it.
Of course I'd like to use the least amount necessary to get good results,didnt mean to seem as if I was losing sleep mugenbao.for what its worth bro,I dont like to wait until a plant is defecient before taking steps to fix the matter.Its cool that you wait until your plants seem to need it but if thats your advice man,dont feel the need to provide an answer.Great advice like different plants have different needs and mediums is some advice I shall always treasure my friend
If the price of cal mag was the price of gold then yes use it wisely but its not ...
Its one of the cheapest parts of any nutrient program compared to grozome or other products on the market.......
i will continue to use it though out VEG and bloom stage every feeding, ask yourself why do hydro guys run up an over 1800 ppm n there feedings ????
MJ plants loves plant food
you mentioned your using RO water ?????
You might be interested to know that reverse osmosis was actually developed as a water treatment method over 40 years ago. The process was used primarily to de-salinate water.
The following are three of the main disadvantages of drinking R.O. water.
1. The water is de-mineralized
Since most mineral particles (including sodium, calcium, magnesium, magnesium, and iron) are larger than water molecules, they are removed by the semi-permeable membrane of the R.O. system.
Even though you may find some contradictory information online about the health benefits of reverse osmosis water, I am convinced that drinking de-mineralized water is not healthy.
Removing the naturally occurring minerals also leaves the water tasteless. Many people thus have to add liquid minerals to their R.O. water to improve the taste.
2. The drinking water is acidic
One of the primary reasons R.O. water is unhealthy is because removing the minerals makes the water acidic (often well below 7.0 pH). Drinking acidic water will not help maintain a healthy pH balance in the blood, which should be slightly alkaline.
In the natural health and medical communities, acidosis in the body is considered an underlying cause of most degenerative diseases. In fact, in 1931, Dr. Otto Warburg won the Nobel Prize for discovering the cause of cancer. In essence, he said it was caused by a lack of cellular oxygenation due to acidosis in the body.
Its one of the cheapest parts of any nutrient program compared to grozome or other products on the market.......
i will continue to use it though out VEG and bloom stage every feeding, ask yourself why do hydro guys run up an over 1800 ppm n there feedings ????
MJ plants loves plant food
you mentioned your using RO water ?????
You might be interested to know that reverse osmosis was actually developed as a water treatment method over 40 years ago. The process was used primarily to de-salinate water.
The following are three of the main disadvantages of drinking R.O. water.
1. The water is de-mineralized
Since most mineral particles (including sodium, calcium, magnesium, magnesium, and iron) are larger than water molecules, they are removed by the semi-permeable membrane of the R.O. system.
Even though you may find some contradictory information online about the health benefits of reverse osmosis water, I am convinced that drinking de-mineralized water is not healthy.
Removing the naturally occurring minerals also leaves the water tasteless. Many people thus have to add liquid minerals to their R.O. water to improve the taste.
2. The drinking water is acidic
One of the primary reasons R.O. water is unhealthy is because removing the minerals makes the water acidic (often well below 7.0 pH). Drinking acidic water will not help maintain a healthy pH balance in the blood, which should be slightly alkaline.
In the natural health and medical communities, acidosis in the body is considered an underlying cause of most degenerative diseases. In fact, in 1931, Dr. Otto Warburg won the Nobel Prize for discovering the cause of cancer. In essence, he said it was caused by a lack of cellular oxygenation due to acidosis in the body.
vertigo0007
Member
I like infinity from soul synthetics. It does very well in coco. With that said, it is my understanding that improper ph for a given medium and solution are the main factors that cause mg deficiency.
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TribalSeeds
Buy that shit in bulk. Paying per qt is nuts! $21 a bottle is a little pricey. Thats $84 a gal! Just buy the gallon size for $40
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Ziggaro
In my experience you're not actually correct about pH of RO water, Dr Fever. Maybe this is just my particular system but my water goes from .7 EC at pH 8 to .03 EC at pH 7.5
This excerpt is from a FAQ for my RO system
Reverse osmosis filtration may or may not reduce the pH level of water at a noticeable amount. The pH difference after the RO depends on the composition of your input water source as well as the amount of gases such as CO2 in your local water supply. Water pH is actually a very complicated subject involving water and open air chemistry.
We have done many laboratory tests on the effects of our RO systems on water pH composition. The Southern California water sources used in our tests were slightly alkaline with an average pre-treatment rating of 8.12 pH. After filtration through our RO systems, the resulting pH averaged 8.06. Our results confirmed the conclusions of others in the scientific community –the reverse osmosis treatment process has very minimal effect on water pH chemistry.
As for minerals I'm not so concerned when you have things like fortified bread, rice, and cereals, multivitamins, and other nutritious. I'm more concerned about flouride, birth control residue, barbituates, etc.
And when the neighbors recently knocked up to warn me about the e.coli in the water after a recent flood, I could still drink my water and make food without worry.
I don't get why people are always hating on RO systems.
This excerpt is from a FAQ for my RO system
Reverse osmosis filtration may or may not reduce the pH level of water at a noticeable amount. The pH difference after the RO depends on the composition of your input water source as well as the amount of gases such as CO2 in your local water supply. Water pH is actually a very complicated subject involving water and open air chemistry.
We have done many laboratory tests on the effects of our RO systems on water pH composition. The Southern California water sources used in our tests were slightly alkaline with an average pre-treatment rating of 8.12 pH. After filtration through our RO systems, the resulting pH averaged 8.06. Our results confirmed the conclusions of others in the scientific community –the reverse osmosis treatment process has very minimal effect on water pH chemistry.
As for minerals I'm not so concerned when you have things like fortified bread, rice, and cereals, multivitamins, and other nutritious. I'm more concerned about flouride, birth control residue, barbituates, etc.
And when the neighbors recently knocked up to warn me about the e.coli in the water after a recent flood, I could still drink my water and make food without worry.
I don't get why people are always hating on RO systems.
I've been drinking, growing and cooking with RO for 10 years and I keep my diet alkaline, don't take supplements or eat 'enriched' foods.
I'm healthier than the next, probably, 100-500 people around here. *shrug* Not worried about my pH because of RO. (Big scare tactic for bottled water companies... they spout that like an artesian well spouts water.)
10 years I've been growing with RO and GH nutes and haven't needed anything extra, except a pinch of quality epsom salt for a few strains.
A lot of folks don't like RO because in some areas it's almost 2 gallons of 'waste' water to each gallon of RO that's produced. Get an RO machine that recycles the waste water and has a good high pressure input pump. This will minimize your 'waste' water... be sure to dump that on your lawn or garden.
Stay Safe!
I'm healthier than the next, probably, 100-500 people around here. *shrug* Not worried about my pH because of RO. (Big scare tactic for bottled water companies... they spout that like an artesian well spouts water.)
10 years I've been growing with RO and GH nutes and haven't needed anything extra, except a pinch of quality epsom salt for a few strains.
A lot of folks don't like RO because in some areas it's almost 2 gallons of 'waste' water to each gallon of RO that's produced. Get an RO machine that recycles the waste water and has a good high pressure input pump. This will minimize your 'waste' water... be sure to dump that on your lawn or garden.
Stay Safe!
Greenfireseeds
Member
Using cal-mag or magical
I'm an organic grower and never used cal/mag until yesterday...I'm sold...it already adding like 15-20% in density and size and they were nice to begin with!
I'm an organic grower and never used cal/mag until yesterday...I'm sold...it already adding like 15-20% in density and size and they were nice to begin with!
Your plants have added 15-20% density in one day?Thats killer bro lol I think we're misunderstanding something.I just Ph'd my RO water and its around 6.5 PH and 9-10 PPM.My tapwater had about an 8.5 PH and 350-450 PPM.Its obvious I need one even growing in soil my tapwater is frigin toxic to the girls.I run a 1/4 inch tube from the r/o spigot to a 50 gallon rainbarrel in my kitchen.Easy as hell to dip out perfect gallons with my planter.I let it stay on about 15 hours and the rainbarrel is full.I also use 1 tbls dolomite lime per gallon mix so the plants get some cal and mag that way.I think my next go around I'm going to give 1 plant no cal/mag to see what happens.I've always heard ever since the OG days that cannabis needs a ton of magnesium but I'm not feeling it
You're going to find more of the 'elite' cuts often are mag hungry... I've only run into a few.
Even so... mag from epsom is soooooo much cheaper than any bottled product. Like $5 for 2-5lbs.... last you over a year.
Stay Safe!
Greenfireseeds
Member
Using cal-mag or magical
Thanks@Galactic and everyone.
Thanks@Galactic and everyone.
Greenfireseeds
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