Urine thread

[Dudesome]

You must be forgetting UREA IS NOT EVEN ORGANIC>...PISS DERIVED OR NOT. lol

And SSO, Like I have said I have done it in the past. I asked YOU for pics grown purely off of piss and fish water. These few pics they posted were grown by real nutrients. Not Just urine.

Anyone know the NPK of urea? Look it up and tel me why in the fuck you would risk the chance of fucking your plants up?

Over and out.

LOL Organic growers using urea...Thats a good one.

you actually have a point there. But still you are missing the fact that your kidneys do a hell of a job in cleaning it all up. Yet again it all bows down to your diet. I think mine is somewhat suitable. If I need more PK I would just eat more bananas (not sure if it should work hehe, but it might)

 

[mad librettist]

Yeah. Some cow shit might contain urea. But your using it for the cow shit.
The majority is NOT urea.

Why would you compare using piss for food to a little piss being in cow shit? You think UREA levels are ANYWHERE close?

And what about milk? Why did you even bring milk up? Organic milk farms? lol

Its one thing to use a product with urea in it. Its another to use 80 percent urea and nothing else.

you are saying cow manure is not loaded with cow urine? sorry, it is. Not sure who told you cow urine is not a significant source of N in manure, but you seem very sure.

I used an organic dairy as an example of an organic cow shit source.

 

[stoney-trees]

I personally do not know one grower who uses cow shit. Outdoors or in.

My point is simple. Using urine for your main food source is a bad idea. It may work, but is your bud honestly good? Potent? Smell good? taste good?

Or is it some leafy, airy, unhealthy, low yielding waste?

No Plant grown off mainly urine will get me high. I can tell you that.

 

[mad librettist]

so what draws you to this thread like moth to a flame?

 

[stoney-trees]

Im sorry. Didnt know you had to be a fan of something to state your opinions. (and facts)

This is in the organic soil section for one. You have 2 people stating they use mainly urine and aquarium water for their plants. Yet both do not own cameras...

I just wanted to compare their plants to mine and see why I am wasting my money buying nutrients.

 

[mad librettist]

its just that you don't seem to be having a good time...


I can give you lots of reasons nutes are a waste of money.

for starters, you don't need them.

 

[stoney-trees]

I can give you lots of reasons nutes are a waste of money.

for starters, you don't need them.

ok...

 

[mostnonymouse]

Excuse my ignorance, but by who's definition is urea in human urine NOT organic? The OMRI? LOL. Whatever the basis for that classification, it holds no weight in this thread. Let's get real. Many of us far exceed the requirements of any organic "certification" anyway. I don't piss on my plants (I do, however, piss on my compost pile regularly) and probably never will, but in my opinion that's as organic as it gets.


BTW I completely understand your argument questioning the completeness of aquarium water + urine as a fertilizer, but try not being such an arrogant dick about it. We're all here to learn and share experiences.

 

[xmobotx]

~you don't need them.

ok...

generations past have done "closed" farms for research comparing organic to conventional - each of these I have seen, the organic exceeded or equaled the conventional minus importation of any amendments or additives for the organic side compared to conventional....... conventional sides tended to display a sort of "addiction" to the conventional additives - where organic sides tend to require less work as the farm progressed

for some reason these findings are not widely publicized

going off memory here but would love to cite such research (haughley)

nonetheless, basic common sense tells anyone willing to consider it that building a compost pile (on-site) growing deep-rooted weeds for fallow crops establishes a relatively low input system compared to constant analysis and importation of conventional amendments/herbicides/pesticides - all of which are eliminated in the closed farm model

 

[Dudesome]

I personally do not know one grower who uses cow shit. Outdoors or in.

Obviously you don't know too many growers personally...

Or is it some leafy, airy, unhealthy, low yielding waste?

No Plant grown off mainly urine will get me high. I can tell you that.

that's just silly... I can grow you some very high thc genes on pure water with just little amendments in the soil and it will get you high with a good amount of it...
yes it won't be a bomb ass weed, but I prommise if you inhale a gram or so - you will get high like a mothafucka! Nutes don't have THAT much to do with thc levels(if anything at all). Only with Thc content. Amount+good THC level > content


you should reconsider going on with arguments such as those.... they will get you nowhere in this thread

 

[stoney-trees]

Obviously you don't know too many growers personally...



that's just silly... I can grow you some very high thc genes on pure water with just little amendments in the soil and it will get you high with a good amount of it...
yes it won't be a bomb ass weed, but I prommise if you inhale a gram or so - you will get high like a mothafucka! Nutes don't have THAT much to do with thc levels(if anything at all). Only with Thc content. Amount+good THC level > content


you should reconsider going on with arguments such as those.... they will get you nowhere in this thread

I dont know many growers. Your right. I have more forum grower friends (other places) than real life growing friends...However, I still dont know a canna grower using horse shit or cow shit. If you could point out some respected growers on this forum using cow shit by all means post them up.
The farmers around me do. They spread cow/chicken shit on the acres of fields around here.

Nutrients DONT have shit to do with THC levels. Your right again. However, what I meant was plant HEALTH certainly has an impact on potency. A plant fed all it wants without issues is bigger and stronger...No denying this. Plant nutrients>Piss...

 

[stoney-trees]

that's just silly... I can grow you some very high thc genes on pure water with just little amendments in the soil

funny, I thought we were using urine because its free and it worked? Yet you want to still amend your soil?

Im lost. And Done with the piss contest. Enjoy. Dont squirt yourself in the face.

 

[Dudesome]

funny, I thought we were using urine because its free and it worked? Yet you want to still amend your soil?

Im lost. And Done with the piss contest. Enjoy. Dont squirt yourself in the face.

im glad you are

 

[guest2012y]

Here we go again..grown with composted bovine shit,piss,etc..

Spacecheese x BMR

 

[Dudesome]

Yummyyyyyyy............. absolutely amazing, CC!!! What an accomplishment!

 

[guest2012y]

Yummyyyyyyy............. absolutely amazing, CC!!! What an accomplishment!

Thanks man...bunch of nonsense going on,figured I'd better post a pic and quick like.
Often bagged composts contain composted cow shit (and the piss that it was drenched in when collected) The very best composts often have cow manure in them.

Funny,...what if the Bat Guano never made it big time...you'd have people saying how horrible and disgusting it is as well.

 

[Dudesome]

Funny,...what if the Bat Guano never made it big time...you'd have people saying how horrible and disgusting it is as well.

...which makes us realize that even with all that knowledge we obtained as growers still we are pretty ignorant in a way. There are still so many things we don't know, that could work wonders.

CC1 just showed us how to kill the ignorance. it's worth nothing but respect and admiration!

 

[MrBlue2]

I think that using urea along with other nutes, teas, or compost is a great idea. it can be of great advantage to guerilla growers for the obviouse reason that they dont have to lug as many jugs of nutes out into the wood with them. Also for people like me who mix thousands of gallons of water and nutes per week it can be a much cheeper source of nitrogen then conventional nutes.

Also urea collected from a human or animal that are on a 100% organic diet is organic.



here is some interesting info i found on pee:

Urea or carbamide is an organic compound with the chemical formula (NH2)2CO. The molecule has two amide (-NH2) groups joined by a carbonyl (C=O) functional group.

Urea serves an important role in the metabolism of nitrogen-containing compounds by animals and is the main nitrogen-containing substance in the urine of mammals. It is solid, colourless, and odorless (although the ammonia which it gives off in the presence of water, including water vapor in the air, has a strong odor). It is highly soluble in water and non-toxic. Dissolved in water it is neither acidic nor alkaline. The body uses it in many processes, most notably nitrogen excretion. Urea is widely used in fertilizers as a convenient source of nitrogen. Urea is also an important raw material for the chemical industry. The synthesis of this organic compound by Friedrich Wöhler in 1828 from an inorganic precursor was an important milestone in the development of organic chemistry, as it showed for the first time that a molecule found in living organisms could be synthesized in the lab without biological starting materials.

The terms urea and carbamide are also used for a class of chemical compounds sharing the same functional group RR'N-CO-NRR', namely a carbonyl group attached to two organic amine residues. Examples include carbamide peroxide, allantoin, and hydantoin. Ureas are closely related to biurets and related in structure to amides, carbamates, carbodiimides, and thiocarbamides.



More than 90% of world production of urea is destined for use as a nitrogen-release fertilizer. Urea has the highest nitrogen content of all solid nitrogenous fertilizers in common use. Therefore, it has the lowest transportation costs per unit of nitrogen nutrient. The standard crop nutrient rating of urea is 46-0-0.{ICIS, http://www.icis.com/v2/chemicals/9076559/urea/uses.html}

Many soil bacteria possess the enzyme, urease, which catalyzes the conversion of the urea molecule to two ammonia molecules and one carbon dioxide molecule, thus urea fertilizers are very rapidly transformed to the ammonium form in soils. Among soil bacteria known to carry urease, some ammonia-oxidizing bacteria (AOB), such as species of Nitrosomonas are also able to assimilate the carbon dioxide released by the reaction to make biomass via the Calvin Cycle, and harvest energy by oxidizing ammonia (the other product of urease) to nitrite, a process termed nitrification.[7] Nitrite-oxidizing bacteria, especially, Nitrobacter, oxidize nitrite to nitrate, which is extremely mobile in soils and is a major cause of water pollution from agriculture. Ammonia and nitrate are readily absorbed by plants, and are the dominant sources of nitrogen for plant growth. Urea is also used in many multi-component solid fertilizer formulations. Urea is highly soluble in water and is, therefore, also very suitable for use in fertilizer solutions (in combination with ammonium nitrate: UAN), e.g., in 'foliar feed' fertilizers. For fertilizer use, granules are preferred over prills because of their narrower particle size distribution which is an advantage for mechanical application.

The most common impurity of synthetic urea is biuret, which impairs plant growth.

Urea is usually spread at rates of between 40 and 300 kg/ha but rates vary. Smaller applications incur lower losses due to leaching. During summer, urea is often spread just before, or during rain to minimize losses from volatilization (process wherein nitrogen is lost to the atmosphere as ammonia gas). Urea is not compatible with other fertilizers.

Because of the high nitrogen concentration in urea, it is very important to achieve an even spread. The application equipment must be correctly calibrated and properly used. Drilling must not occur on contact with or close to seed, due to the risk of germination damage. Urea dissolves in water for application as a spray or through irrigation systems.

In grain and cotton crops, urea is often applied at the time of the last cultivation before planting. In high rainfall areas and on sandy soils (where nitrogen can be lost through leaching) and where good in-season rainfall is expected, urea can be side- or top-dressed during the growing season. Top-dressing is also popular on pasture and forage crops. In cultivating sugarcane, urea is side-dressed after planting, and applied to each ratoon crop.

In irrigated crops, urea can be applied dry to the soil, or dissolved and applied through the irrigation water. Urea will dissolve in its own weight in water, but it becomes increasingly difficult to dissolve as the concentration increases. Dissolving urea in water is endothermic, causing the temperature of the solution to fall when urea dissolves.

As a practical guide, when preparing urea solutions for fertigation (injection into irrigation lines), dissolve no more than 30 kg urea per 100 L water.

In foliar sprays, urea concentrations of 0.5% – 2.0% are often used in horticultural crops. Low-biuret grades of urea are often indicated.

Urea absorbs moisture from the atmosphere and therefore is typically stored either in closed/sealed bags on pallets, or, if stored in bulk, under cover with a tarpaulin. As with most solid fertilizers, storage in a cool, dry, well-ventilated area is recommended.


if you want to read more heres the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urea

 

[sso]

You must be forgetting UREA IS NOT EVEN ORGANIC>...PISS DERIVED OR NOT. lol

And SSO, Like I have said I have done it in the past. I asked YOU for pics grown purely off of piss and fish water. These few pics they posted were grown by real nutrients. Not Just urine.

Anyone know the NPK of urea? Look it up and tel me why in the fuck you would risk the chance of fucking your plants up?

Over and out.

LOL Organic growers using urea...Thats a good one.

dude, i said 3 times, i dont use only urine and fishshitwater.
rather fond of maxicrop seaweedferts too.
but that wasnt my main object of interest, dont really give a damn what nutes you use.

but how the urine helped a sick plant, that was a cool thing.
sorry i dont have pictures, but i never take pictures, to your consolation my wife is thinking about getting a camera, might have pictures in the future,but doubt it will be right away.

for me what it seems to do, is balance the ph to a more advantagous level for the plant. while giving it a healthy boost of N.
gave a tomato plant yesterday some urine, not a lot, today all new growth has doubled in size.
but no pics guess you´ll just have to trust im not doing this for money (LOL) or out of some deviant desire to fuck with people.

when you tried it, did you mix it in water first? (Doesnt work as well, for some reason..)
ive never burned a plant with urine, btw, and ive given a few quite a bit more than a bit.

but you sound, germophobic or however that word is spelled, or peeophobic lol.
common fear, but mostly and usually unfounded and unreasonable fears.

comparing buds? dunno, dont get GREAT buds, seen pictures once of a 600w grow where the dude or dudette had 8 foot tall sativa plants, that looked ALL bud.
we talking elephant dick cola, nay bluespermwhale dick cola.
looked to be hard to even reach around and hug, and ALL bud.

usually pics have lousy perspective so its hard to gauge a bud´s size, but not those pics. you could see the cola touching the ceiling and how big it was in comparison to those small cfls surround the part that was out of the 600.

dunno what they used in that grow, lost the link too..

i get ok buds, armslength or so, 33c cola cans thick, a few times bit thicker, sometimes thinner.
though im always learning new strains.
they pretty healthy though, got 3 plants ive revegged 3 times (love that smoke, not easy to clone though )

current crop not so good though, was very busy for awhile, they yellowed up quite a bit sooner than i would have wanted, bit crinkly leaves too, had heat temp problems for awhile, but i fed them some urine 2 days back and they look better, some much better.

but i doubt ill get 33c cola cans thick or more this time around,except for one plant, has really dense thick buds, though bit sparse.

i think im about average in budsizes, i do allright in potency.
have gone from having been told of having the best smoke in the country to lala semigood stuff.(admittedly its a very small country very very small and the smokertoker that said that had only smoked 3-4 years )

never touted urine as a miracle budgrower. its a damn good N source though and for me (and others,quite alot many others actually) it is pretty darn good for "fixing" plants.

 

[stoney-trees]

im glad you are

I took a look at your journal. Within the first Page I see you are using pretty much the entire bio bizz lineup. How cute.

Capt.Cheeze1 Nice pics and all but you stating the fact you used composted materials and "etc" doesnt do shit for the urine cause. Nice try though?