UK ravers take their revenge on the police.

[Guest]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6guTgztvyoA&search=rave suffolk

This rave is going quite nicely - except maybe the dodgy looking stack of speakers - when the ol' bill turn up and take the generator!

The ravers get their genny back through a confrontation with the police but have to party elsewhere. Apparently they set up a few miles down the road after.

That's all you need at 6am fucked outta your mind.

Watch out for the bloke who goes down after being pepper sprayed. He's still holding his beer! Dattaboy!

Classic.

 

[whiskeyriot]

BAHAHAHA, imagine getting peppersprayed in the face while on every drug under the sun in the middle of nowhere

 

[Guest]

BAHAHAHA, imagine getting peppersprayed in the face while on every drug under the sun in the middle of nowhere

A bit much...innit?

The police would rather we all partied / got drunk and had fights, in our local town centre chain of "All Bar One" or "Bar Med" or some shite!! The state makes their piece of it that way and loads of kids end up in casualty wards up and down the country on a Friday and Saturday night through being glassed by some mindless chav - brewed up on stella..

What harm were these folk really causing...? And to get frikkin' pepper sprayed?

You've had your tunes No we fucking haven't! Classic..

 

[Guest]

Remember the cops are not the enemies but they follow the enemies orders....the real terrorists are the government leaders and their outer circles though they would insist otherwise then have you "legally" apprehended for saying so.

 

[Allusive]

Remember the cops are not the enemies but they follow the enemies orders....the real terrorists are the government leaders and their outer circles though they would insist otherwise then have you "legally" apprehended for saying so.

True, but cops are their own institution, organization. Which can be the enemey. Medical marijuana is a case in point.

 

[Guest]

true wisdom

Remember the cops are not the enemies but they follow the enemies orders....the real terrorists are the government leaders and their outer circles though they would insist otherwise then have you "legally" apprehended for saying so.

 

[kurlyq2g]

True, but cops are their own institution, organization. Which can be the enemey. Medical marijuana is a case in point.

what he said ^

 

[Jam Master Jaco]

Remember the cops are not the enemies but they follow the enemies orders....the real terrorists are the government leaders and their outer circles though they would insist otherwise then have you "legally" apprehended for saying so.

Exactly. I work where I am constantly around cops and it's really changed my perspective about them. They are normal, every day people who are trying to make a living for themselves. That said, there are some dickhead cops too, but they're in the minority.

 

[naga_sadu]

Exactly. I work where I am constantly around cops and it's really changed my perspective about them. They are normal, every day people who are trying to make a living for themselves. That said, there are some dickhead cops too, but they're in the minority.

I'm sure whatever I'm saying applies to the US too...

Candidates selected for the police force are somewhat similar to those selected for the teaching corps today. I.e. "the bottom of the pile." I see that the amount of civil training cops recieve is very, VERY alarmingly low. Also, in societies where a person's value or success is determined by money and not by duty to society, this sort of setup kinda imparts an inferiority complex and/or encourages a minimalist attitude amongst ppl. like cops. And in a capitalistic / consumerist / money driven mindset which pretty much drives almost every society out there today, cops are on the bottom of the pile (in terms of money).

When I was living in US, I could surely smell inferiority complex amongst cops whenever I had a run-in w/ the law. I'd be a damned blind fool if I couldn't detect this "you bastard immigrant, you're coming to my home and making 100k+ while I was living here all my life and make only 40k."

Having a minimalist attitude is fine by me, but having an inferiority complex and putting it out thru power trips over people is what gets me. I see lotsa effort going into arms training in police academies and virtually ZERO in civil training, which is by far, the most important aspect of a police. Sure, cops are out there to do a job, just like a hunter goes to the hunting grounds to hunt, which is ok. But imagine hunting for a deer in a commanche helicopter. Well, cops do the same.

Remember, public servants are in place to protect the constitution of a society or country and not just "to do a job." And as I remember, George Washington intended America to be a peoples' democracy just as Gandhi intended India to be the same. Both desired that the constitution be tailoured to reflect upon a democracy. The duty of public sector personnel such as cops is to safeguard the constitution from being hijacked from opportunists and criminal elements who profit at the expense of another's loss.

The entire notion and concept of a "public sector" is lost when the very same guardians end up eroding the very constitution they're sworn to protect and uphold. Introducing civil training instead of mere arms training as core is perhaps a desirable step in the right direction in police academies.

Yes, there are cops who learnt this, but they did so on their own. An example of such cops are those who formed L.E.A.P- law enforcement against prohibition......

You're right that cops are out there "to do a job." Yes, a person enters the hunting ground to hunt. But at the same time, can you imagine someone hunting deer in a commanche helicopter? That defeats the whole point of hunting. Just as the "overkill" and the overly militaristic attitude and approach prevailent in many police forces worldwide kills the entire notion of policing...

 

[GoodbyeBlueSky]

I love seeing brave gals like that.

sure hate seeing them getting their scalp split by police battons though...*

(*WTO Protests in Seattle)

 

[Guest]

Hello all.

Well, in this particular instance - neither side handle the situation very well.

The police should have firstly had a chat with the organisers.

The ravers should have done their utmost to comply with their requests - but at the same time shown that they were partying responsibly - as much as this is humanly possible. The way to do this is to prove that you have thought of "health and safety" to some extent - perhaps had a few designated first aiders. There is one guy that goes down in the video - who is wearing an illuminated jacket and I'm sure his purpose would have been to act as the designated first aider - or safety marshall. Their stack of speakers was dodgy to say the least though - and that's not going to help their cause.

If you are partying an indoor squatted venue then have the fire exits visibly marked, have CO2 fie extinguishers that you can show the police. Don't sell alcohol and clean up after you. As far as noise goes - a good rule of thumb is that if you can see a house from where you are partying, then they can hear you. That's why the bottom of valleys, or caves etc,. provide good locations. These are all things that may mean the police let your party continue or perhaps not even get to hear about it at all. After all they want to avoid the type of confrontation that we see above.

In this instance, the police seem to bowl in, take the generator, and push a girl who tries to stop them. All things that can lead you to make the assumption, as pomh did, that "they provoked this mini riot". Perhaps there were talks first and they resorted to this, but you can't tell from the edited video.

Personaly, I feel sorry for the kids nowadays.

In my day (showing my age here) a venue would be squatted by travellers - days or weeks in advance of a party being arranged. Anything from 1000 - 20000 people (40 000 in the case of Castlemorton - one reason free parties got killed off) would show up at the weekend and party hard for 2 days and go home having had a brilliant, loved up, trouble free time. The police were powerless to stop this from happening. In fact I remember a party, Cassington, where 20 000 ravers waved / swore / blew kisses to a circling police helicopter - while stomping to "sweet harmony" - loved up on E. It was as close to anarchy in the UK as anything that I will ever see in my lifetime (apart from the Poll Tax riots - I was there) or anything the kids nowadays will see.

That was half the trouble - the rave scene of the early nineties was gettting so popular that the govt. felt threatened by this growing generation of people - happily rejecting societies norms. The other half of the problem was that the town centres were half empty - and it was bad for business.

In this instance - the police were actually fairly restrained but went about things wrongly. UK police don't carry guns on the whole and that has to be a good thing...let's hope it stays that way.
London / City cops are more hardcore than these chaps and would have gone in with batons flying about at the fist sign of trouble.
That cop - who sounds like an old, out of breath farmer at the end - who says "you've haad your tunes" - was probably just a nice old bloke who was trying to do his job. Probably..?

My message to the state - get your grubby hands off the parties and let the kids have it!
I'd say to the police - don't push women, talk to the organisers and be polite.
I'd say to the ravers, make your raves as safe as possible (no dodgy speaker stacks), be respectful to the cops if they show up and argue your case, keep the noise out of earshot and tidy up after...it can be done.

But keep the fire burning and rave on..

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

the five o join the forces of babylon willingly for a paycheck. yuck... no principle.
peace.

 

[havalota]

Remember the cops are not the enemies but they follow the enemies orders....the real terrorists are the government leaders and their outer circles though they would insist otherwise then have you "legally" apprehended for saying so.

If the cops follow the orders of the enemy, then they are in fact, the enemy. The doctrine of the police forces nation wide, is to enforce all laws passed by congress, under the assumption that it is legal and constitutional, untill proven otherwise by the courts. Who has that kind of money? certainly not I!

In this maner they have absolved themselves of any responsibility for the protection of the constitution. This doctrine makes them nothing more than hired thugs.

Naga sadu said it right, there is far too much emphisis placed on military training(S.W.A.T., guns and drugs) and not enough on civil(keeping the peace) training.

 

[pieceofmyheart]

sure hate seeing them getting their scalp split by police battons though...*

(*WTO Protests in Seattle)

Well yeah me too, but these cops didn't appear to have any weapons other than pepper spray and their hands pushing people. I have experienced much cowardice from people in my adult life and seeing a brave person who will stand up for what they believe in, most especially a female still does my heart good.

Being brave can be dangerous to the body, but being a coward is dangerous to one's soul.

There aren't too many of us around......I don't think.

 

[Harry Gypsna]

thats nothing...the riot after the nottingham reclm the steeets in98, after the protest avery1 was on the forest rec ground nice and quiet having a laff, one lad decided to swing on the goalposts-which on any other day would have been fine, but the pigs devcided to start wrestling him and it turned itno a full scale riot within about 30 seconds, the whole of the main road ws lined with vans...... crazy....was any1 else there???

 

[Guest]

Well yeah me too, but these cops didn't appear to have any weapons other than pepper spray and their hands pushing people. I have experienced much cowardice from people in my adult life and seeing a brave person who will stand up for what they believe in, most especially a female still does my heart good.

Being brave can be dangerous to the body, but being a coward is dangerous to one's soul.

There aren't too many of us around......I don't think.

POMH, I like the way that girl gets pushed - then runs after the generator - and I'm sure it's her who says "get after 'em". Listen out for it at the beginning. So, she kinda instigates it.

Then towards the end (three quarters of the way in) you see her walking past the cops away from it all - looking quite pleased with herself. I'm sure that's the same girl.

She's qualty!

Harry - I think you might be the only person here from Nottingham mate. I'm sure I heard about that incident...or was it some shootings or something in Nottingham I heard about..? You should have filmed it on your camera phone!

The best ruckus I've ever been caught up in was the Poll Tax riots. That was complete carnage...never seen anything like it. Shops got looted, police got hurt...and laws got changed as a result of it.

The lesson I learned there was - violent protest can work!