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U.S. Government spying on entire U.S., to nobody's surprise

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CannaBunkerMan

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It seems as if Big Brother is alive and even thriving, possibly emboldened by the latest favorable SC rulings? Who knows, still, it's pretty creepy that the Jackboot can show up based on the content of your web searches.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/01/new-york-police-terrorism-pressure-cooker

GUARDIAN

A New York woman says her family's interest in the purchase of pressure cookers and backpacks led to a home visit by six police investigators demanding information about her job, her husband's ancestry and the preparation of quinoa.

Michele Catalano, who lives in Long Island, New York, said her web searches for pressure cookers, her husband's hunt for backpacks, and her "news junkie" son's craving for information on the Boston bombings had combined somewhere in the internet ether to create a "perfect storm of terrorism profiling".

Members of what she described as a "joint terrorism task force" descended on Catalano's home on Wednesday. A spokesman for the FBI told to the Guardian on Thursday that its investigators were not involved in the visit, but that "she was visited by Nassau County police department … They were working in conjunction with Suffolk County police department."

The Guardian has contacted the Suffolk County and Nassau County police departments for comment.

Catalano was at work, but her husband was sitting in the living room as the police arrived. She retold the experience in a post on Medium.com on Thursday. She attributed the raid largely to her ongoing hunt for a pressure cooker, an item used devastatingly by the two Tsarnaev brothers in Boston, but also used by millions across the country to prepare vegetables while retaining most of their nutrients.

Catalano, a writer for indie music and politics magazine Death and Taxes wrote:


What happened was this: At about 9:00 am, my husband, who happened to be home yesterday, was sitting in the living room with our two dogs when he heard a couple of cars pull up outside. He looked out the window and saw three black SUVs in front of our house; two at the curb in front and one pulled up behind my husband's Jeep in the driveway, as if to block him from leaving.

Six gentleman in casual clothes emerged from the vehicles and spread out as they walked toward the house, two toward the backyard on one side, two on the other side, two toward the front door.

A million things went through my husband's head. None of which were right. He walked outside and the men greeted him by flashing badges. He could see they all had guns holstered in their waistbands.

"Are you [name redacted]?" one asked while glancing at a clipboard. He affirmed that was indeed him, and was asked if they could come in. Sure, he said.

They asked if they could search the house, though it turned out to be just a cursory search. They walked around the living room, studied the books on the shelf (nope, no bomb making books, no Anarchist Cookbook), looked at all our pictures, glanced into our bedroom, pet our dogs. They asked if they could go in my son's bedroom but when my husband said my son was sleeping in there, they let it be.

At this point, Catalano said, the police were "peppering my husband with questions".

"Where is he from? Where are his parents from? They asked about me, where was I, where do I work, where do my parents live. Do you have any bombs, they asked."

It was at this point that the conversation took a delightfully culinary turn, with quinoa making an unlikely appearance in the FBI's inquiries:


Do you own a pressure cooker? My husband said no, but we have a rice cooker. Can you make a bomb with that? My husband said no, my wife uses it to make quinoa. What the hell is quinoa, they asked.

The joint terrorism task force did not press Catalano's husband on the dilemma facing liberals over whether quinoa consumption is ethically sound – many Bolivians can no longer afford their staple food now everyone in Brooklyn is eating it.

"By this point they had realized they were not dealing with terrorists," Catalano said.

Still, she was left worried by the visit, which she attributes to her family's internet history.


I felt a sense of creeping dread take over. What else had I looked up? What kind of searches did I do that alone seemed innocent enough but put together could make someone suspicious? Were they judging me because my house was a mess (Oh my god, the joint terrorism task force was in my house and there were dirty dishes in my sink!). Mostly I felt a great sense of anxiety. This is where we are at. Where you have no expectation of privacy. Where trying to learn how to cook some lentils could possibly land you on a watch list. Where you have to watch every little thing you do because someone else is watching every little thing you do.

All I know is if I'm going to buy a pressure cooker in the near future, I'm not doing it online.

I'm scared. And not of the right things.
 

bentom187

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Everything you thought was good ...is really Bad...and everything you thought was bad..is really Good

Putin + Chinese Dragon Family need to finally make their move ...

i hope the family ges their gold and silver. here is a update by neil keenen.
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i check in on this on this case every so often ,because you usually dont hear numbers in the tens of trillions of dollars come up in every court case.the impact would be huge.


i came across this on business insider online ,its a pretty good map of the power structure. in the middle is the bilderburg group.

if you click he link you can read it clearly.
http://stopsyjonizmowi.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/bilderberg.jpg

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bentom187

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Glenn Greenwald Piers Morgan On XKEYSCORE. Greenwald OWNS
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welp now al-queda is a private contractor for he US government. im sorry to all the active miliary/ vets out there.this is an outrage.I hope that you all make it home safe.





Al-Qaeda Backers Found With U.S. Contracts in Afghanistan


Supporters of the Taliban and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan have been getting U.S. military contracts, and American officials are citing “due process rights” as a reason not to cancel the agreements, according to an independent agency monitoring spending.

The U.S. Army Suspension and Debarment Office has declined to act in 43 such cases, John Sopko, the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, said today in a letter accompanying a quarterly report to Congress



“I am deeply troubled that the U.S. military can pursue, attack, and even kill terrorists and their supporters, but that some in the U.S. government believe we cannot prevent these same people from receiving a government contract,” Sopko said.

The 236-page report and Sopko’s summary provide one of the watchdog agency’s most critical appraisals of U.S. performance in helping to build a stable Afghanistan as the Pentagon prepares to withdraw combat troops by the end of next year.

“There appears to be a growing gap between the policy objectives of Washington and the reality of achieving them in Afghanistan, especially when the government must hire and oversee contractors to perform its mission,” said Sopko, whose post was mandated by Congress.

The Pentagon is scheduled to deliver its own Afghanistan status report to Congress today. Its appraisal, which is months late, will outline progress from October 2012 through March and concerns that deal with handing over security operations to the Afghan military.

Maintaining Oversight

The U.S. has 60,000 troops in Afghanistan, with plans to reduce the number to 34,000 by February. President Barack Obama hasn’t decided how many to keep in the country after 2014 to train Afghan forces and engage in anti-terrorist missions.

Sopko expressed pessimism that the U.S. can maintain effective oversight of billions of dollars in reconstruction spending as forces are withdrawn. The Obama administration has requested $10.7 billion in such funding for fiscal 2014 to cover projects from improving local government to building roads and schools.

“Unless the U.S. government improves its contract-oversight policies and practices, far too much will be wasted,” Sopko wrote.

According to the report, Sopko’s agency “has found it impossible to confirm” the number of contracts awarded in a $32 million program to install barricades, bars or gratings in culverts at about 2,500 Afghan locations to prevent insurgents from placing roadside bombs. The explosives are the biggest killer of U.S. and Afghan troops.

‘Hollow’ Effort

The policy to create an effective Afghan Army, which has 185,287 troops, “will remain hollow unless Washington pays equal attention to proper contracting and procurement activities to sustain those forces,” Sopko said.

He said that he is “well aware of the wartime environment in which contractors are operating in Afghanistan, but this can neither explain the disconnect nor excuse the failure.”

As of May 31, the U.S. had committed $30 billion for contracts to build, train and sustain the Afghan army.

Sopko said he has witnessed the failings personally during his first year as inspector general, including 50 meetings he and his staff attended during his last trip to Afghanistan.

As of March, 40,315 of the personnel working under Pentagon contracts in Afghanistan, or about 37 percent, were Afghan locals, according to the report.

U.S. ‘Enemies’

Regarding the 43 cases of contractors with militant connections, Sopko said the Army should “enforce the rule of common sense” in its suspension and debarment program. “They may be enemies of the United States but that is not enough to keep them from getting government contracts,” according to the agency’s report.

The Army’s procurement-fraud branch reviewed the 43 cases late last year, Matthew Bourke, a service spokesman, said in a statement. The reviewers “did not include enough supporting evidence to initiate suspension and debarment under federal acquisition regulations,” he said.

George Wright, another Army spokesman, said by e-mail that cutting off the contracts based only on information from Sopko’s office “would fail to meet due-process requirements and would likely be deemed arbitrary if challenged in court.”

Sopko said the Army “appears to believe that suspension or debarment of these individuals and companies would be a violation of their due-process rights if based on classified information” or on Commerce Department reports.

Workshops, Training

In a report issued yesterday, Sopko said $47 million that the U.S. Agency for International Development has spent on a program to stabilize Afghanistan hasn’t dealt with the sources of instability.

An audit showed that after 16 months, none of the agency’s essential program objectives have been reached and the money spent has mostly financed workshops and training sessions. The project is aimed at bolstering Afghanistan’s government before troop withdrawals planned for next year.

“It’s troubling that after 16 months, this program has not issued its first community grant,” Sopko said. “Rather, it has spent almost $50 million, about a quarter of the total program budget, on conferences, overhead and workshops.”

The failure of the State Department agency to use the money for grants has left local Afghan communities disappointed and may feed greater instability, according to the audit.
 
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HempKat

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well you do have a lot of groups involved in running the world anyway, no one can doubt that many top tier masons are also occupying top tiers in general society, judges, generals, senators etc. at this point they have the Bilderberg group and the Bohemian Grove club. so in the end they are like everyone, they meet up at these events and they talk and opportunities crop up, deals are made, plots are hatched. basically it's human nature, trouble is when the worlds elite start doing that, they quickly accumulate gigantic power and money amounts. so i don't think that any one group rules the world, it's more that they all know each other at the top and act in concert, mostly protecting their own and always profiting from the masses. not sure they even need orders anymore, they all know where they want to go and strive to get there. the only saving grace is that they have their own groups too, some of them have different plans to achieve their ends. this explains the bickering about the details, as everyone is still trying to look out for them selves before anything else. but the basic direction for society seems to be more tyranny and less freedom and specially less wealth with the common man.

Seems like a flawed plan since the wealthy got that way by the common man having more and therefore being able to consume more. If the common man loses his ability to consume at the rate the rich got wealthy from then eventually the wealthy will have to feed off each other until finally all the wealth is left to just one entity. That of course assumes that the people don't revolt or the monetary system doesn't collapse before then. Oh and for all you thinking the ones with gold and silver don't need to worry about the monetary system collapsing. Guess again, aside from it's perceived value due to it's scarcity gold and silver aren't terribly useful minerals.
 

resinryder

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McCain if furious. May be something to this Snowden thing after all. If ANYONE knows what treason is it defiantly would be this pos McCain.

Never has a more opportunistic, narcissistic, self important, treasonous piece of human shit walked the earth. So I guess you could say he has a drum to beat on maybe due to is inner demons. No that couldn't be it. He'd have to have a soul for inner demons to inhabit. Fuck McCain!!



http://news.yahoo.com/john-mccain-furious-edward-snowden-121643229.html

John McCain Is Furious About Edward Snowden



National Journal
Matt Berman 14 hours ago PoliticsForeign PolicyJohn McCainRussiaVladimir Putin

On Thursday, Edward Snowden was finally allowed to leave a Moscow airport and enter Russia after being granted a temporary, one-year asylum in the country. It was, presumably, a big relief for the National Security Agency leaker. But it's got Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., fuming.

In a statement released Thursday morning, the senator called Russia's actions "a disgrace and a deliberate effort to embarrass the United States." He continued:

It is a slap in the face of all Americans. Now is the time to fundamentally rethink our relationship with [President Vladimir] Putin's Russia. We need to deal with the Russia that is, not the Russia we might wish for. We cannot allow today's action by Putin to stand without serious repercussions.

What would those repercussions be? McCain suggests "significantly" expanding the Magnitsky Act list, "to hold accountable the many human violators [sic] who are still enjoying a culture of impunity in Russia." He also suggests pushing U.S. missile-defense programs in Europe and challenging "political convictions and detentions of Russian dissidents," as well as other human-rights measures.

McCain is not alone in his anger. Sen. Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H., tweeted earlier Thursday that the reset in U.S.-Russia relations is more like the "U.S. being run over." In a statement, Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Robert Menendez, D-N.J., said that "Edward Snowden is a fugitive who belongs in a United States courtroom, not a free man deserving of asylum in Russia." The senator also calls the asylum decision a "setback to U.S.-Russia relations."

All of this puts Putin in a tough spot. He had earlier said that Snowden would only be allowed to stay in his country if he stops "his work aimed at damaging our U.S. partners, no matter how strange this sounds coming from me." More recently, Putin has said he won't let Snowden harm U.S.-Russia relations. The statements from McCain and Menendez seem show that harm actually has been done--even if, particularly in the case of McCain, it may not've been too difficult to push him over the edge.
 
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gaiusmarius

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maccain really is a piece of excrement that needs to be scraped off the boots of the senate.
he's senile and always seems on the warmongering side of history.
 
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"It is a slap in the face of all Americans" Not my face!! I want to see McCain and Putin wrestle. Winner take all.:)
 

headband 707

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Apparently if you have a bumper sticker on your car that says shit like "FUCK HARPER" is enough for you to be put on a list for being watched LOL LOL... Tax dollars hard at work!! headband 707
 
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i hope the family ges their gold and silver. here is a update by neil keenen.
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i check in on this on this case every so often ,because you usually dont hear numbers in the tens of trillions of dollars come up in every court case.the impact would be huge.


i came across this on business insider online ,its a pretty good map of the power structure. in the middle is the bilderburg group.

if you click he link you can read it clearly.
http://stopsyjonizmowi.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/bilderberg.jpg

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Great post. The infrastructure of democracy is just as rotten as the infrustructure of our country. Its a D -
The Earth was 1st destroyed by water, and is now reserved to be destroyed for the last time by unquenchable fire.
I just hope I can find the holy grail keeper strain Ive been searching for by then.
 

Jericho Mile

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Great post. The infrastructure of democracy is just as rotten as the infrustructure of our country. Its a D -
The Earth was 1st destroyed by water, and is now reserved to be destroyed for the last time by unquenchable fire.
I just hope I can find the holy grail keeper strain Ive been searching for by then.

Gosh. O come and be faithful
 

resinryder

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this lady will be running in the primary against, Lindsey "you are not getting a lawyer" graham.please vote for her in the 2014 elections, if anyone is in her state.



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NSA Collects 'Word for Word' Every Domestic Communication, Says Former Analyst


In his district he has never had a strong challenger that could unseat him. It's a hard district. Lots and lots of older republicans that are still under the illusion that the government still gives a shit about them. Beautiful part of the state tho. TNot that it matters to me, but there has been talk for years that Graham is homosexual, he was even asked about it during a tv interview when he ran last time but he denied it. Never married. Lives with a man in DC. If he can't be true to himself how could he be true to his constituents? Would explain his "shut up and go along with the government spying programs" tho. After all, if the NSA has data from his phone and computer records, what better bit of information could they hold over his head to get the vote they want that could be "leaked" in his district where the religious right, a huge part of his base, would vote for anyone other than a homosexual? But then we all know the government would never stoop to blackmail and extortion now don't we?
 

bentom187

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In his district he has never had a strong challenger that could unseat him. It's a hard district. Lots and lots of older republicans that are still under the illusion that the government still gives a shit about them. Beautiful part of the state tho. TNot that it matters to me, but there has been talk for years that Graham is homosexual, he was even asked about it during a tv interview when he ran last time but he denied it. Never married. Lives with a man in DC. If he can't be true to himself how could he be true to his constituents? Would explain his "shut up and go along with the government spying programs" tho. After all, if the NSA has data from his phone and computer records, what better bit of information could they hold over his head to get the vote they want that could be "leaked" in his district where the religious right, a huge part of his base, would vote for anyone other than a homosexual? But then we all know the government would never stoop to blackmail and extortion now don't we?



they wouldn't do that. lol.


I don't think that guy graham, could go five minutes without telling a lie or supporting something illegal. the man is a menace.

hopefully we will clean house in 2014,and select a law abiding president in 2016.

all the neo-cons/media lap dogs are pushing Christie as the rep pick in 2016 ,he's every bit the national socialist as the current president.

look at this article the dems are scared of paul not Christie, it would be a clean sweep for the dems in 2016 if the reps put in Christie as there is no difference.

Dear Conservatives: Democrats Are Not Scared Of Rand, But They’re Terrified Of Christie

unfortunatley you are right they will try to scare the elderly into voting for their pick, and completely lie about rand paul's positions.

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Eighths-n-Aces

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In his district he has never had a strong challenger that could unseat him. It's a hard district. Lots and lots of older republicans that are still under the illusion that the government still gives a shit about them. Beautiful part of the state tho. TNot that it matters to me, but there has been talk for years that Graham is homosexual, he was even asked about it during a tv interview when he ran last time but he denied it. Never married. Lives with a man in DC. If he can't be true to himself how could he be true to his constituents? Would explain his "shut up and go along with the government spying programs" tho. After all, if the NSA has data from his phone and computer records, what better bit of information could they hold over his head to get the vote they want that could be "leaked" in his district where the religious right, a huge part of his base, would vote for anyone other than a homosexual? But then we all know the government would never stoop to blackmail and extortion now don't we?


:biggrin: Graham and Hoover would have made such a nice couple.:tiphat:
 

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Liberty’s backlash -- why we should be grateful to Edward Snowden


By Judge Andrew P. Napolitano




Last week, Justin Amash, the two-term libertarian Republican congressman from Michigan, joined with John Conyers, the 25-term liberal Democratic congressman from the same state, to offer an amendment to legislation funding the National Security Agency (NSA). If enacted, the Amash-Conyers amendment would have forced the government’s domestic spies when seeking search warrants to capture Americans’ phone calls, texts and emails first to identify their targets and produce evidence of their terror-related activities before a judge may issue a warrant. The support they garnered had a surprising result that stunned the Washington establishment.

It almost passed.

The final vote, in which the Amash-Conyers amendment was defeated by 205 to 217, was delayed for a few hours by the House Republican leadership, which opposed the measure. The Republican leadership team, in conjunction with President Obama and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, needed more time for arm-twisting so as to avoid a humiliating loss.

But the House rank-and-file did succeed in sending a message to the big-government types in both parties: Nearly half of the House of Representatives has had enough of government spying and then lying about it, and understands that spying on every American simply cannot withstand minimal legal scrutiny or basic constitutional analysis.

The president is deeply into this and no doubt wishes he wasn’t. He now says he welcomed the debate in the House on whether his spies can have all they want from us or whether they are subject to constitutional requirements for their warrants. Surely he knows that the Supreme Court has ruled consistently since the time of the Civil War that the government is always subject to the Constitution, wherever it goes and whatever it does.

As basic as that sounds, it is not a universally held belief among the power elites. Gen. James Clapper, the current boss of all domestic spies, obviously lied when he testified under oath to a Senate committee recently that the government was not accumulating massive amounts of data about tens or hundreds of millions of Americans.

Gen. Keith Alexander, the head of the NSA, materially misled a House committee when he was asked under oath whether the NSA has the “ability” to listen to phone calls and he stated it lacks the “authority” to do so. Right off the bat, we can see that these senior spies do not feel bound by the laws prohibiting perjury and the misleading of Congress.

Congress itself has legislatively attempted to amend the Constitution, knowing that the supreme law of the land can only be amended by three-quarters of the states. The Constitution requires probable cause of criminal activity to be presented to a judge as a precondition of the judge issuing a search warrant. It also requires that the warrant particularly describe the place to be searched or the person or thing to be seized.

Yet, Congress told the secret FISA court that it can avoid the Constitution and issue a warrant to any spy looking for the phone calls and electronic communications of anyone in America, without probable cause, without naming the persons whose records are sought and without describing the place to be searched. Secrecy-smitten judges, whose clerks are NSA agents and who are not permitted to keep copies of their own rulings, have gone along with this.

Obama, who did not want a national debate on all this before Edward Snowden blew the whistle on it, has backed off of his earlier claims that the feds are not reading emails or listening to phone calls.

He has done this, no doubt, in light of unrefuted statements by Snowden and other NSA whistleblowers to the effect that federal spies can, with the press of a computer key, read emails and hear phone calls.

Only after the Snowden revelations did Obama welcome the "debate" in the House. That debate, in which more than half of his own party rejected his spying, lasted precisely 24 minutes.

How can a deliberative body of 434 current members debate an issue as monumental as whether the government is bound by the Constitution when it seeks out terrorists in just 24 minutes?

Apparently, the House Republican leadership that established the absurd 24-minute rule feared a serious and meaningful public discussion in which its authoritarian impulses would need to confront the Constitution its members swore to uphold. In that 24-minute time span, millions -- millions -- of Americans’ phone calls and emails were swept into the NSA’s supercomputers in defiance of the Constitution.

There is a political wildfire burning in the land, and we should all be grateful to Snowden for igniting it. The fire eventually will consume the political derelictions of those who have abandoned their oaths to uphold the Constitution so they can sound tough back home.

The Amash-Conyers amendment would have required the feds to tell the court the name of the person whose communications they seek and the evidence they have against that person -- just as the Constitution requires. And it would have prohibited the NSA dragnets the Constitution obviously was written to prevent.

Instead we have the almost unimaginable prospect and the nearly unthinkable reality of the feds claiming that they can legally put every person in America under their privacy-invading scrutiny in order to catch a few dozen evil ones -- most of whom were entrapped by the FBI in the first place and never posed a serious danger to the public or the nation.

Would we all be safer if the feds could knock down any door they wished and arrest any person they chose? Who would want to live in such a society? What value is the Constitution if those in whose hands we have reposed it for safekeeping are afraid to do so?

I expect that the Amash-Conyers amendment will be back on the floor of the House soon. When it is, who will have the courage to preserve, protect and defend personal liberty in a free society?

Andrew P. Napolitano, a former judge of the Superior Court of New Jersey, is the senior judicial analyst at Fox News Channel. Judge Napolitano has written seven books on the U.S. Constitution. His latest is “Theodore and Woodrow: How Two American Presidents Destroyed Constitutional Freedom.”

 
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