U.S. Government spying on entire U.S., to nobody's surprise

[bentom187]

Egyptian Revolution: What You're Not Being told

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[Eighths-n-Aces]

The sum and total of what vta is talking about is that Obama is not accepting that what is going on in Egypt is a true military coup d'état. Once he acknowledges it is then by constitional law he must stop the 1.5 billion in aid we give to Egypt with the goal of them being a stabilizing force friendly to US interests in that region. What muddies the waters is that in a true military coup d'état the military takes over and is clearly in control or takes power. In this instance the military has ousted the government but have yet to clearly take power. It's definitely a fine line Obama is walking right now but the fact that he's not really being forced yet does suggest he's still on safe ground...for the moment. Just like the line of no chemical weapons in Syria though, things may force his hand very soon. Still our support for Egypt is mostly about bolstering support for peace between Israel and Palestine and since many of the powers that be seem to have strong ties to Israel I don't see too much pressure coming to Obama if it remains in a grey area like it is now.

The bit about Bush I think, was just to say the practice of Presidents doing questionable things that bend laws is nothing new. Perhaps to not appear as being one sided on the blame?

all i was really asking for was a sane explanation of how our last president both signed an order saying he could not read your mail and was in charge when the patriot act was passed . does that make things easier ?

i really ,really ,really don't trust political pundits ..... or parrots

 

[Hydrosun]

all i was really asking for was a sane explanation of how our last president both signed an order saying he could not read your mail and was in charge when the patriot act was passed . does that make things easier ?

i really ,really ,really don't trust political pundits ..... or parrots

Don't even get me started on parrots....

Those fucking birds never know when to keep their mouths shut!

 

[vta]

i really ,really ,really don't trust political pundits ..... or parrots

I agree with you...mostly. However, if you are referring to Judge Nap...or are lumping him in with the rest of the pundits....I take it that you are either, note familiar with him...or are brainwashed. Judge Nap and Mark Levin are a couple of the few left that have a clue... youtube away....

 

[idiit]

Judge Nap and Mark Levin are a couple of the few left that have a clue... youtube away.

^ judge nap has given out some great comments on fox (msm). he's one of the first to do so on msm in a way that is getting the assleeples to wake up.

the truth is those that believe in the zionist propaganda bs are the whacko conspiracy theorists.

 

[opiumo]

Obama is in no position to be saying anything about the situation in Egypt being a coup, considering his support for the coup in honduras.
But I guess it's not a coup when a left leaning leader is taken down/knocked off and replaced with a nice big business friendly Neo-Lib stooge..
This week, we had the Washington Post singing the praises of Augusto Pinochet, claiming he brought democracy back to chile(funny how they had to get rid of a democratically elected leader to do it-strange how that works) and saying that what Egypt needs, is a Pinochet of their own. Excuse me, but didn't they just get rid of their Pinochet (Pinochet meaning western backed dictator) within the last couple of years?

This is why the US and Israel are scared of Iran having nukes - then they can tell everyone to fuck off, like Nkorea does. But with a much better economy.

 

[BullDogUK]

So many sources from Fox! Do you not realize that Fox is just as part of the corporate controlled media as every other station? Look the the people and the individuals. YouTube is a great medium as it [mostly] allows us to see and hear what a person actually thinks and listen to what they are saying without distortion from another party.

 

[Eighths-n-Aces]

I agree with you...mostly. However, if you are referring to Judge Nap...or are lumping him in with the rest of the pundits....I take it that you are either, note familiar with him...or are brainwashed. Judge Nap and Mark Levin are a couple of the few left that have a clue... youtube away....

I am as familiar with him as i am with any of the other pundits. I don't pay much attention to ANY of them because i don't want to become brainwashed.

IMHO every single one of them is paid to point fingers and distract us all of us from seeing the big picture. News networks were never designed to tell the whole truth about anything, so i don't have any faith in what any of their employees have to say.

I will admit that the the Judge makes some good points, but he is just as biased as anyone else at Fox,CNN,MSNBC or NPR ........ even though he is a lot smarter about it

 

[gaiusmarius]

yeah Judge Napolitano is totally biased in favor of sticking to the letter of the law, constitution and bill of rights. i wish more had his biases. he's been fired a few times for getting too outspoken.

 

[bentom187]

i used to watch every episode of freedom watch ,it was the only show that spoke the truth and it made sense.it was so refreshing after listening to lies all day .

here is one of my favorite speeches.judge Napolitano is legit he lost his show for supporting ron paul and the truth.

What If Elections Don't Matter? | THE PLAIN TRUTH by Judge Napolitano
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WHAT IF.......


and I hope ben swann gets his own mainstream news show.i believe his kickstarter is only at 255k and that he needs 1.25 million for 100 episodes.



Ben Swann interviews President Obama (NDAA, Kill List, Syria, Afghanistan
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Ben Swann's Reality Check: Is This The End of The Petro-dollar?
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[bombadil.360]

This is why the US and Israel are scared of Iran having nukes - then they can tell everyone to fuck off, like Nkorea does. But with a much better economy.

not even the people of Iran want their theocratic leaders to posses nukes; they know quite well how demented they are.

no one wants anyone to be arming themselves with nukes, we know where that will lead us, total destruction. once the first nuke is fired, bye bye world.

it is ridiculous to think people don't want proliferation of nuclear weapons because of the nonsense reasons discussed in the last few posts.

 

[Eighths-n-Aces]

yeah Judge Napolitano is totally biased in favor of sticking to the letter of the law, constitution and bill of rights. i wish more had his biases. he's been fired a few times for getting too outspoken.

the " letter of the law"? really?

SCOTUS sits and decides what "the letter of the law" actually means don't they? and when was the last time they all agreed with each other on anything? from what i have seen even judges can't agree on the letter of the law, or even how many letters are in the alphabet.


all i am saying is that "the letter of the law" is just one more thing that is was and always will be subject to bias on an individual and collective level

i am not trying to bag on the Judge, or piss anyone off, but i don't believe that he (or anyone ever has) walked on water

not to get off the subject, but my original question has still not been answered. did mr. bush sign a law that said big brother was not allowed to open our mail or not? and if he did how the hell did that work if the patriot act was in place?

does it help to know that i do realize that getting us into the mess we are in is the only bipartisan thing ALL the fuckheads in washington and all the pundits have managed to work together on? i'm not on a team because i don't like the games that any of them play and i have learned that there are no absolutes in this life

 

[Hydrosun]

If Bush signed a no mail opening law or not is irrelivant because the 4th Amendment requires a warrant to open mail.

If the Patriot act says it is legal to open private mail, then that and many other parts of it are unconstitutional.

The fact that EVERY President in my lifetime has acted above the law and used The Constitution as toilet paper is the real issue / crime / problem.

 

[gaiusmarius]

supreme justices are just as compromised as 99% of the gov employees, imo. the fact that they all are listened to, watched and profiled makes it clear that someone is watching those guys and keeping records. wouldn't surprise me if thats what happened to Obama between being a candidate and becoming president. i mean if you watch the interviews of him as a candidate, he actually sounded a lot like judge Napolitano when discussing constitutional issues and executive orders, wars etc. some how something changed as soon as he won. i'm sure it was the same with every president in recent decades, all their good intentions gets blackmailed right out of them when they actually enter office.

but yeah the letter of the constitution is what i meant with the letter of the law. the constitution is the highest law in US after all.

did anyone see the threat by Greenwald that if Snowden is harmed, a whole shit storm of information will be leaked, lol.

i do wonder whats up with the Russians saying they didnt get his asylum application yet, seems like they are leaving a week end window for a clever assassin to kill him before he is granted asylum, or maybe try and kidnap him from the transit zone.

Obama and Putin did have a phone call and i can't see Putin risking good future relations on Snowden. he has to make some pretense of being sympathetic to the Obama admin you'd think? really curious to see how this will develop. Russia might feel insulted at the way he is seeking only temporary asylum with Russia?

 

[Harry Gypsna]

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did anyone see the threat by Greenwald that if Snowden is harmed, a whole shit storm of information will be leaked, lol.

i do wonder whats up with the Russians saying they didnt get his asylum application yet, seems like they are leaving a week end window for a clever assassin to kill him before he is granted asylum, or maybe try and kidnap him from the transit zone.

Obama and Putin did have a phone call and i can't see Putin risking good future relations on Snowden. he has to make some pretense of being sympathetic to the Obama admin you'd think? really curious to see how this will develop. Russia might feel insulted at the way he is seeking only temporary asylum with Russia?

It wasn't really a threat, just a simple case of having some insurance. GG was only relaying what ES has told him. I would imagine he has rigged up his computer so that he has to enter a password every so often within a fixed period, and if not, the info that he hasn't released will be released automaticcally.
Re Russia handing him over, Putin would have to break their own laws(I'm not that would be a leap for him LOL) because Russia does not extradite. Maybe He'll swap him for Victor Bout
I;m kinda hoping Vlad shoves ES onto a submarine and takes him to Cuba. Not likely mind you but it's a thought.

 

[DrFever]

i would think Putin and obama have no relations IMO the time has come for usa to sit back for all there war mongoling other countries have started to to frown upon USA
all usa is doing is making them look more stupid then they already are with this all with the candian oil line to usa not happening It has effected relations with Canada which now sells the oil to who else CHINA won;t be long before usa starts loosing its allies and will be left in the dark and all alone going hungry well thats what you get for not being trustworthy i guess hell if the average US citizen knew that most of the land in usa is held in triust to pay off there debt to foriegn countries it just a matter of time before default and guess what

 

[Apache Kush]

i would think Putin and obama have no relations IMO the time has come for usa to sit back for all there war mongoling other countries have started to to frown upon USA
all usa is doing is making them look more stupid then they already are with this all with the candian oil line to usa not happening It has effected relations with Canada which now sells the oil to who else CHINA won;t be long before usa starts loosing its allies and will be left in the dark and all alone going hungry well thats what you get for not being trustworthy i guess hell if the average US citizen knew that most of the land in usa is held in triust to pay off there debt to foriegn countries it just a matter of time before default and guess what

Iraq is selling most of it's oil to China now too.

So the American citzens gained nothing for that ''war'' did I say war I meant occupation.
The ''war'' was reallly about whose doller will rule the next century, the US Petro-dollar or the Chinese Yen.

The old rule was all the oil that china bought from the Saudis or anyone had to be traded in US Dollers.

However, they no longer do and have started trading exclusivly with thier money. While they take our debt and buy as much gold as they can to back their currency in a Gold Standard like ours. In a direct competion.

No offense but wake up ppl...Bottom line the NWO and Globalist are ruining this country in order to bring about WWIII versus China and Russia and USA. We all lose.... they win. As I type this it has already begun, the Us moved Marines to Northern Australia to block China's life line via the water ways of Indonesia. Are gov has a defense treaty with the S Korean. Likewise, China has defense treaty with the North.

Why would USA want to fight China, cause when the us Petro doller fails the doller fails...this whole war on terror was all about stripping patiriots of there rights and leading us into the fight to the death with chinna for global control...dont belive me ok whatch this..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4f2mgj4UT0
whatch around 3.00

you guys talk about Bush and all this Bs like it even matters

our miltary leaders needs to do what Eygypt military did and get in the street and end this fake Gov BS before its too late.

 

[Jericho Mile]

Iraq is selling most of it's oil to China now too.

So the American citzens gained nothing for that ''war'' did I say war I meant occupation.
The ''war'' was reallly about whose doller will rule the next century, the US Petro-dollar or the Chinese Yen.

The old rule was all the oil that china bought from the Saudis or anyone had to be traded in US Dollers.

However, they no longer do and have started trading exclusivly with thier money. While they take our debt and buy as much gold as they can to back their currency in a Gold Standard like ours. In a direct competion.

No offense but wake up ppl...Bottom line the NWO and Globalist are ruining this country in order to bring about WWIII versus China and Russia and USA. We all lose.... they win. As I type this it has already begun, the Us moved Marines to Northern Australia to block China's life line via the water ways of Indonesia. Are gov has a defense treaty with the S Korean. Likewise, China has defense treaty with the North.

Why would USA want to fight China, cause when the us Petro doller fails the doller fails...this whole war on terror was all about stripping patiriots of there rights and leading us into the fight to the death with chinna for global control...dont belive me ok whatch this..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4f2mgj4UT0
whatch around 3.00

you guys talk about Bush and all this Bs like it even matters

our miltary leaders needs to do what Eygypt military did and get in the street and end this fake Gov BS before its too late.

A military coup in the US?...you are out of your fucking mind? Last thing I need to see. Jesus Christ...go sign yourself up for some more madness. Egypt is a bad example....military coups are bad examples..absolute bullshit...crazy talk...lol...goddamn

 

[dagnabit]

^
first thing quietly done in the "war" and the true objective was to reopen the pipelines between Syria and saud.
sadam had shut them down and our owner(the king of saud)had his private army(the us army) handle his business...

 

[Jericho Mile]

^
first thing quietly done in the "war" and the true objective was to reopen the pipelines between Syria and saud.
sadam had shut them down and our owner(the king of saud)had his private army(the us army) handle his business...

I don't doubt...I'm not unaware of what the US military is used for. Nothing shocking...and nothing much new. Probably controlling the Russian Heroin market as well...exported out of our mountain war...the new triangle...except..it's not a triangle...