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U.S. Government spying on entire U.S., to nobody's surprise

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idiit

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Okay. Let’s look at Snowden’s brief history as reported by The Guardian. Are there any holes?

Is the Pope Catholic?

In 2003, at age 19, without a high school diploma, Snowden enlists in the Army. He begins a training program to join the Special Forces. At what point after enlistment can a new soldier start this elite training program?

Snowden breaks both legs in an exercise. He’s discharged from the Army. Is that automatic? How about healing and then resuming service?

If he was accepted in the Special Forces training program because he had special computer skills, then why discharge him simply because he broke both legs?

“Sorry, Ed, but with two broken legs we just don’t think you can hack into terrorist data anymore. You were good, but not now. Try Walmart. They always have openings.”

Circa 2003, Snowden gets a job as a security guard for an NSA facility at the University of Maryland. He specifically wanted to work for NSA? It was just a generic job opening he found out about?

Snowden shifts jobs. Boom. He’s now in the CIA, in IT. He has no high school diploma. He’s a young computer genius.

In 2007, Snowden is sent to Geneva. He’s only 23 years old. The CIA gives him diplomatic cover there. He’s put in charge of maintaining computer-network security. Major job. Obviously, he has access to a wide range of classified documents. Sound a little odd? He’s just a kid. Maybe he has his GED. Otherwise, he still doesn’t have a high school diploma.

Snowden says that during this period, in Geneva, one of the incidents that really sours him on the CIA is the “turning of a Swiss banker.” One night, CIA guys get a banker drunk, encourage him to drive home, the banker gets busted, the CIA guys help him out, then with that bond formed, they eventually get the banker to reveal deep secrets to the Agency.

This sours Snowden? He’s that naïve? He doesn’t know by now that the CIA does this sort of thing all the time? He’s shocked? He “didn’t sign up for this?” Come on.

In 2009, Snowden leaves the CIA. Why? Presumably because he’s disillusioned. It should noted here that Snowden claimed he could do very heavy damage to the entire US intelligence community in 2008, but decided to wait because he thought Obama, just coming into the presidency, might keep his “transparency” promise.

After two years with the CIA in Geneva, Snowden really had the capability to take down the whole US inter-agency intelligence network, or a major chunk of it?

If you buy that without further inquiry, I have condos for sale on the dark side of the moon.

In 2009, Snowden leaves the CIA and goes to work in the private sector. Dell, Booze Allen Hamilton. In this latter job, Snowden is assigned to work at the NSA.

He’s an outsider, but, again, he claims to have so much access to so much sensitive NSA data that he can take down the whole US intelligence network in a single day. The. Whole. US. Intelligence. Network.

This is Ed Snowden’s sketchy legend. It’s all red flags, alarm bells, sirens, flashing lights.

Then we have the crowning piece: they solved the riddle: Ed Snowden was able to steal thousands of highly protected NSA documents because…he had a thumb drive.

It’s the weapon that breached the inner sanctum of the most sophisticated information agency in the world.

It’s the weapon to which the NSA, with all its resources, remains utterly vulnerable. Can’t defeat it.

Not only did Snowden stroll into NSA with a thumb drive, he knew how to navigate all the security layers put in place to stop people from stealing classified documents.

“Let’s see. We have a new guy coming to work for us here at NSA today? Oh, whiz kid. Ed Snowden. Outside contractor. Booz Allen. He’s not really a full-time employee of the NSA. Twenty-nine years old. No high school diploma. Has a GED. He worked for the CIA and quit. Hmm. Why did he quit? Oh, never mind, who cares? No problem.

“Tell you what. Let’s give this kid access to our most sensitive data. Sure. Why not? Everything. That stuff we keep behind 986 walls? Where you have to pledge the life of your first-born against the possibility you’ll go rogue? Let Snowden see it all. Sure. What the hell. I’m feeling charitable. He seems like a nice kid.”

NSA is the most awesome spying agency ever devised in this world. If you cross the street in Podunk, Anywhere, USA, to buy an ice cream soda, on a Tuesday afternoon in July, they know.

They know whether you sit at the counter and drink that soda or take it and move to the only table in the store. They know whether you lick the foam from the top of the glass with your tongue or pick the foam with your straw and then lick it.

They know if you keep the receipt for the soda or leave it on the counter.

They know whether you’re wearing shoes or sneakers. They know the brand of your underwear. They know your shaving cream, and precisely which container it came out of.

But this agency, with all its vast power and its dollars…

Can’t track one of its own, a man who came to work every day, a man who made up a story about needing treatment in Hong Kong for epilepsy and then skipped the country.

Just can’t find him.

Can’t find him in Hong Kong, where he does a sit-down video interview with Glenn Greenwald of The Guardian. Can’t find that “safe house” or that “hotel” where he’s staying.

No. Can’t find him or spy on his communications while he’s in Hong Kong. Can’t figure out he’s booked a flight to Russia. Can’t intercept him at the airport before he leaves for Russia . Too difficult.

And this man, this employee, is walking around with four laptops that contain the keys to all the secret spying knowledge in the known cosmos.

Can’t locate those laptops. Can’t hack into them to see what’s there. Can’t access the laptops or the data. The most brilliant technical minds of this or any other generation can find a computer in Outer Mongolia in the middle of a blizzard, but these walking-around computers in Hong Kong are somehow beyond reach.

And before this man, Snowden, this employee, skipped Hawaii, he was able to access the layout of the entire US intelligence network. Yes.

He stole enough to “take down the entire US intelligence network in a single afternoon.”

Not only that, but anyone who worked at this super-agency as an analyst, as a systems-analyst supervisor, could have done the same thing. Could have stolen the keys to the kingdom.

This is why NSA geniuses with IQs over 180 have decided, now, in the midst of the Snowden affair, that they need to draft “tighter rules and procedures” for their employees. Right.

Now, a few pieces of internal of security they hadn’t realized they needed before will be put in place.

This is, let me remind you, the most secretive spying agency in the world. The richest spying agency. The smartest spying agency.

But somehow, over the years, they’d overlooked this corner of their own security. They’d left a door open, so that any one of their own analysts could steal everything.

Could take it all. Could just snatch it away and copy it and store it on a few laptops.

But now, yes now, having been made aware of this vulnerability, the agency will make corrections.

Sure.

And reporters for elite US media don’t find any of this hard to swallow.

A smart sixth-grader could see through this tower of fabricated crap in a minute, but veteran grizzled reporters are clueless.

On the ever-solicitous Charley Rose, a gaggle of pundits/newspeople warned that Ed Snowden, walking around with those four laptops, could be an easy target for Chinese spies or Russian spies, who could get access to the data on those computers. The spies could just hack in.

But the NSA can’t. No. The NSA can’t find out what Snowden has. They can only speculate.

The tightest and strongest and richest and smartest spying agency in the world can’t find its own employee. It’s in the business of tracking, and it can’t find him.

It’s in the business of security, and it can’t protect its own data from its employees.

If you believe all that, I have timeshares to sell in the black hole in the center of the Milky Way
more at: http://jhaines6.wordpress.com/2013/07/08/matrix-who-is-edward-snowden-by-jon-rappoport-july-8-2013/
 

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"The NSA is quietly writing code for Google’s Android OS."

Is it ironic that the same "don't be evil" Google which went to such great lengths in the aftermath of the Snowden scandal to wash its hands of snooping on its customers and even filed a request with the secretive FISA court asking permission to disclose more information about the government’s data requests, is embedding NSA code into its mobile operating system, which according to IDC runs on three-quarters of all smartphones shipped in the first quarter? Yes, yes it is.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-...oid-os-bugging-three-quarters-all-smartphones
 

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Giant Banks Take Over Real Economy As Well As Financial System … Enabling Manipulation On a Vast Scale
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-07-10/giant-banks-take-over-real-economy-well-financial-system-%E2%80%A6-enabling-manipulat

the nwo zionists ( not jews) are taking over. they are poisoning us. they are bankrupting us. they are using foreign armies to replace out governments with their governments and then "controlling" us.

if you are still naive enough to wonder why cannabis is illegal let me bust it out for you:

if you operate a small private betting parlor in a mafia controlled casino they will break your legs.
 

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if you operate a small private betting parlor in a mafia controlled casino they will break your legs.

Real hard to not see your point!

Kinda makes you aware of the fact that we have been waking up with a horse's head in the bed every day for years but we were just to blind to see the warning signs. :tiphat:
 

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the question of Snowdens legitimacy has crossed my mind too, but i have to say i'm inclined to believe he is not a double agent. there is just too much stuff being exposed for this to be a false flag leak. that story above is not more then a bunch of circumstantial evidence and interpretations that can be taken either way. i mean think about the Bolivian Presidents plane getting forced to land. would they bother if he was working for them in the first place. doesn't seem to make sense. if they were just trying to get folks to accept all this spying, they would have leaked this stuff in small bits. last thing they'd want is for people to get upset in mass. the strategy has always been to take baby steps, always just as much as people will put up with. this seems a genuine leak to me so far, but time will tell i guess....
 

gaiusmarius

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i guess one thing we could do is continue spreading this information around and signing any petitions to put a stop to the mass un justified spying. there are law suits to be filed and protests to go to. of course in the end you can also just vote against anyone in office who is not vehemently against the mass un aimed spying and recording of everyone all the time. you can also search for companies that don't participate in the spying. apart from that, there is not much you can do in the end. we do need to make our outrage known to our representatives in gov, making sure to let them know they will be voted out by you if they don't get their asses representing WE the people, not we the NSA or who ever the fuck else is pulling the strings.
 

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^ mobilize the 99%.

The 99% does not want to mobilized. If nothing else...that should be obvious. They are easily appeased...easily bought off...and easily...useless. They may fight a revolution...as long as..they can use their keyboard fingers....and put it on a credit card. Fuck the 99%....the 1% figured that out...a long time ago...antiquity shit.

The information being spread here...and through the mediums..is all truth. Truth is not a single state...there are many truths. I see a bunch of facilitating going on...not much more
 

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The masses have always been a good way of removing a corrupt regime and replacing it with an incompetent bloodbath. Examples stretch back to 1790's France...

We need to transition from a Democracy to a Technocracy where we elect officials on the basis of their competence and transparency and not their ability to win popularity contests.
 

Jericho Mile

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I think I'll accept that governments are all corrupt...that the systems are corrupt...and that revolutions are corrupt....and take it from there. It's the environment we have always lived in...and I really don't understand..why peeps get so excited when they find this out.

There is not one government...I'd ever want...speaking for me. Do I have a choice? No. Never have..never will. Participate as little as possible...master the environment...and life...is cherry.

I've no interest in the 99%....don't care what they think..feel..or do. I have no interest in the 1% either. It's all slogans anyway. Stand up..throw a brick...get your head knocked..win the revolution...wake up..to the same system all over again. Fuck that merry go round...spun out nonsense
 

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while it's true that the 99% can not be easily mobilized. the other truth is that the American revolution was started and fought by only about 4% of the population at least at the beginning. also look at the recent revolutions, all it takes is a few million at the right time and place and you are seeing governments tumble. even though only a small percentage of the population is actually involved in the protests.

it is true though that most revolutions are just a changing of the guard. with no real progress being made for the people. just a new batch of thugs in charge, in fact in places like Libya you have a worse quality of life after the revolution then before.

so really in the end changing things through the ballot box is still the way to go, destroying your own country in civil war is the last thing you want, that just makes everything a million times worse, just look at Syria. but that does not mean you shouldn't try and inform people and insist the people in power adhere to the rule of law. if enough people get pissed you can change the bad without destroying the good
 

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On this Fourth of July, Thomas Jefferson is weeping

By Judge Andrew P. Napolitano


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Do you have more personal liberty today than on the Fourth of July 2012?

When Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence, he used language that has become iconic.

He wrote that we are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, and among them are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Not only did he write those words, but the first Congress adopted them unanimously, and they are still the law of the land today.

By acknowledging that our rights are inalienable, Jefferson’s words and the first federal statute recognize that our rights come from our humanity -- from within us -- and not from the government.

The government the Framers gave us was not one that had the power and ability to decide how much freedom each of us should have, but rather one in which we individually and then collectively decided how much power the government should have. That, of course, is also recognized in the Declaration, wherein Jefferson wrote that the government derives its powers from the consent of the governed.

To what governmental powers may the governed morally consent in a free society? We can consent to the powers necessary to protect us from force and fraud, and to the means of revenue to pay for a government to exercise those powers. But no one can consent to the diminution of anyone else’s natural rights, because, as Jefferson wrote and the Congress enacted, they are inalienable.

Just as I cannot morally consent to give the government the power to take your freedom of speech or travel or privacy, you cannot consent to give the government the power to take mine.

This is the principle of the natural law: We all have areas of human behavior in which each of us is sovereign and for the exercise of which we do not need the government’s permission. Those areas are immune from government interference.

That is at least the theory of the Declaration of Independence, and that is the basis for our 237-year-old American experiment in limited government, and it is the system to which everyone who works for the government today pledges fidelity.

Regrettably, today we have the opposite of what the Framers gave us. Today we have a government that alone decides how much wealth we can retain, how much free expression we can exercise, how much privacy we can enjoy. And since the Fourth of July 2012, freedom has been diminished.

In the past year, all branches of the federal government have combined to diminish personal freedoms, in obvious and in subtle ways.

In the case of privacy, we now know that the federal government has the ability to read all of our texts and emails and listen to all of our telephone calls -- mobile and landline -- and can do so without complying with the Constitution’s requirements for a search warrant.

We now know that President Obama authorized this, federal judges signed off on this, and select members of Congress knew of this, but all were sworn to secrecy, and so none could discuss it. And we only learned of this because a young former spy risked his life, liberty and property to reveal it.

In the past year, Obama admitted that he ordered the CIA in Virginia to use a drone to kill two Americans in Yemen, one of whom was a 16-year-old boy. He did so because the boy’s father, who was with him at the time of the murders, was encouraging militants to wage war against the U.S.

He wasn’t waging war, according to the president; he was encouraging it.

Simultaneously with this, the president claimed he can use a drone to kill whomever he wants, so long as the person is posing an active threat to the U.S., is difficult to arrest and fits within guidelines that the president himself has secretly written to govern himself.

In the past year, the Supreme Court has ruled that if you are in police custody and fail to assert your right to remain silent, the police at the time of trial can ask the jury to infer that you are guilty. This may seem like a technical ruling about who can say what to whom in a courtroom, but it is in truth a radical break from the past.

Everyone knows that we all have the natural and constitutionally guaranteed right to silence. And anyone in the legal community knows that judges for generations have told jurors that they may construe nothing with respect to guilt or innocence from the exercise of that right.

No longer. Today, you remain silent at your peril.

In the past year, the same Supreme Court has ruled that not only can you be punished for silence, but you can literally be forced to open your mouth. The court held that upon arrest -- not conviction, but arrest -- the police can force you to open your mouth so they can swab the inside of it and gather DNA material from you.

Put aside the legal truism that an arrest is evidence of nothing and can and does come about for flimsy reasons; DNA is the gateway to personal data about us all. Its involuntary extraction has been insulated by the Fourth Amendment’s requirements of relevance and probable cause of crime.

No longer. Today, if you cross the street outside of a crosswalk, get ready to open your mouth for the police.

The litany of the loss of freedom is sad and unconstitutional and irreversible. The government does whatever it can to retain its power, and it continues so long as it can get away with it. It can listen to your phone calls, read your emails, seize your DNA and challenge your silence, all in violation of the Constitution.

Bitterly and ironically, the government Jefferson wrought is proving the accuracy of Jefferson’s prediction that in the long march of history, government grows and liberty shrinks. Somewhere Jefferson is weeping.

Happy Fourth of July 2013.
 

gaiusmarius

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i wish the supreme court had judges like Napolitano, that really believe in the constitution and the oath they made to keeping it and protecting it. instead of going with the flow of the ruling elites and interpreting the constitution how ever they want when the language is so straight forward. again i wouldn't be surprised if those supreme court justices have all been blackmailed to make a lot of these clearly unconstitutional rulings they make.
 

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Police serving search warrant at home of pro-gun activist Adam Kokesh

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/227992...of-pro-gun-activist-adam-kokesh#ixzz2YbftgD11

BREAKING: Adam Kokesh Home Raided by Feds (courtesy FOX
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HERNDON, Va. -
FOX 5 has confirmed that U.S. Park Police along with Herndon Police are serving a search warrant at the home of Adam Kokesh, a pro-gun activist who was seen on a YouTube video posted on July 4th loading a shotgun in Freedom Plaza.

Roads have been blocked off in the area of the 1500 block of Snow Flake Court in Herndon and residents have been told to stay indoors while police serve the warrant.

In the video, Kokesh, a former Marine, appears to load red shells into a pump-action shotgun while addressing the camera in Freedom Plaza, which is U.S. parkland.

Kokesh said, "We will not be silent. We will not obey. We will not allow our government to destroy our humanity."

Kokesh threatened to lead an armed march from Virginia into D.C. on the Fourth of July, but later backed away from the plan. At the end of the video, Kokesh hints it may happen in the future. As Kokesh loads shells in to the shotgun, he tells the camera: “We are the final American revolution. See you next Independence Day."

Darryl Young, Kokesh's roommate and a political activist, defended Kokesh's actions.

"The point is we have the right to bear arms in all states," he said. "We shouldn't set standards of laws by imaginary lines called borders. In the state of Virginia, it's an open carry state where you can legally open carry, but in the District [of Columbia], the only people allowed to walk with firearms are the criminals themselves."

D.C. Police Chief Lanier told us on July 4th, "You're allowed to have a rifle [or] shotgun registered for your home, if you're a D.C. resident and it's registered for the protection of your home. You can transport it through the District of Columbia as well. But there are rules for that transport. What [Kokesh] did [Thursday] morning, if in fact that was a real firearm [with] real ammunition, would be a violation of the law."


well,i'm like his style but i'm still thinking reasoning can win the day.
law is always fun espeacially if you can beat them at their own game. I think there is enough study material here to make remedy a opton for most people. DONT pay anyone money for info remedy can be found many places online even youtube. concentrate on trust, admirality and ecclesiastical law here is some stuff I have stumbled across that will help :tiphat:



a treatise on maritime law
http://archive.org/stream/cu31924018935571#page/n0/mode/1up

A General View of the Origin and Nature of the Constitution and Government ...
http://books.google.com/books?vid=O...al+history+and+condition"#v=onepage&q&f=false

War Powers Under the Constitution of the United States
http://books.google.com/books?id=YgkAAAAAYAAJ&dq=William Whiting&pg=PP7#v=onepage&q&f=false

the American admirality it's jurisdiction and practice with practical forms and directions
http://www.mindserpent.com/American...alty/1850_benedict_the_american_admiralty.pdf

http://www.lysanderspooner.org/

(one of our first charters.)
The Fundamental Orders
http://www.constitution.org/bcp/fo_1639.htm

Legal Latin phrases and maxims
http://www.inrebus.com/legalmaxims_c.php
 
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California beachgoers sign petition to repeal the Bill of Rights ‘to support Obama’ i

California beachgoers sign petition to repeal the Bill of Rights ‘to support Obama’ i

Watch the video and be utterly amazed at the sheeple.

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http://www.thedailysheeple.com/california-beachgoers-sign-petition-to-repeal-the-bill-of-rights-to-support-obama-in-terrifying-new-video_072013



In the latest troubling video published by author and activist Mark Dice, California beachgoers can be seen happily signing a petition to repeal the Bill of Rights to support President Barack Obama.

In the video, Dice slyly refers to the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) which in its Fiscal Years 2012 and 2013 versions stripped Americans of the right to face charges and a fair trial.

While many of the signatories probably have no clue what the NDAA is, it is far more shocking to realize that some seem to either not care about the Bill of Rights or have no clue what it is.

Without the Bill of Rights, our right to free speech, a fair, public and speedy trial and protection from warrantless searches and seizures would disappear.

It also protects our right to be protected from quartering of troops and cruel and unusual punishment, our right to petition, bear arms, have a trial by jury and more.

In other words, if these people had their way and the first ten amendments to the Constitution were repealed, America as we know it would cease to exist.

The most terrifying aspect of the above video is that these are people who can, and probably do, vote, sign petitions and voice their opinion in polls.

This makes polls like the one in June, conducted by NBC News and the Wall Street Journal, which found that 66 percent of respondents support the use of drones to kill suspected al Qaeda members and terrorists.

Such a figure was in line with other survey data on drone use. One must hope that many of the respondents were not aware that drones have been used to execute four American citizens without charge or trial, including a 16-year-old boy.

The legal justification for such strikes simply does not exist in the public realm and probably never will thanks to the courts.

Throughout the video Dice keeps repeating the phrase “Bill of Rights,” likely to avoid any claims that the people didn’t really know what they were signing.

Yet some Americans very well might have no clue what the Bill of Rights actually is. Let’s just hope this is ignorance and not disdain for the most basic aspect of America as we know it.

Dice also hilariously mentions the phrase “New World Order” several times.

Recently, Mark Dice also produced a video showing people signing a petition to strip Christians of their right to free speech.

In April, he put out a video of people signing a petition to repeal the first amendment in order to ensure that people “don’t have the right to disagree with Obama.”
 

Jericho Mile

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while it's true that the 99% can not be easily mobilized. the other truth is that the American revolution was started and fought by only about 4% of the population at least at the beginning. also look at the recent revolutions, all it takes is a few million at the right time and place and you are seeing governments tumble. even though only a small percentage of the population is actually involved in the protests.

it is true though that most revolutions are just a changing of the guard. with no real progress being made for the people. just a new batch of thugs in charge, in fact in places like Libya you have a worse quality of life after the revolution then before.

so really in the end changing things through the ballot box is still the way to go, destroying your own country in civil war is the last thing you want, that just makes everything a million times worse, just look at Syria. but that does not mean you shouldn't try and inform people and insist the people in power adhere to the rule of law. if enough people get pissed you can change the bad without destroying the good

The American Revolution...and every other revolution..was created by the 1%. It was run by the 1%...the 1% profited..but of course..it was glamorized into a freedom movement. Taxed before..Taxed after...and the same people...getting paid.

The "revolution" in Egypt is nothing more than a military coup..with the 99% (using the slogan) manipulated into rioting and demonstrating..and eventually (already) getting beaten back..by those they unwittingly..put into power. It's no revolution...just a change of thugs

I walk around...I look at the 99%...and I see the 1%'s point.

These people are happy chewing cud...keep them fed...keep them warm...keep them fenced in under the illusion of safety...keep them thinking they are free...keep them thinking that they matter...and it's better..for all parties involved. It's a wonderful...agricultural achievement. ..utterly genius.

But honestly...I'm not a people person. Have not much love for the masses
 
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