Trump thread part 2 (Or anything else we want to talk about that's ridiculous in politics today)

[Cannavore]

I very sincerely and emphatically disagree with your use of the word never, and would be glad to discuss this with you elsewhere, if you wish.

you've already brought this up multiple times in the other thread... yeah some accounts i've boosted on here aren't good people but like i said, the substance of the post wasn't anti semitic or fash in and of itself. you usually spent the time attacking the person rather than the info in the post. which is fine. it's never been intentional, i can't control who gets put in my feed.

i'd be more mad about the guy running the twitter algorithm that lumps in valid criticisms with nazi posts.

 

[Cannavore]

 

[Jericho Mile]

you can believe that if you wish.
I can´t be bothered with such ignorance -it´s not my problem if your wife ends in jail or whatever.
Don´t leave your secluded bubble -you may suffer a stroke, lol
so bye for now

That’s correct : it’s not your problem. The only thing you have said that is legitimate.

You’re only snarky because I don’t believe what you do. Anybody who doesn’t is not informed and is therefore ignorant.

I will call you Henny Penny from this moment going forward. Cheers big ears

My bubble is vast and wonderful…sunny and warm

Stroking it up the mountain today. How many people did I see? None.

 

[RobFromTX]

That’s correct : it’s not your problem. The only thing you have said that is legitimate.

You’re only snarky because I don’t believe what you do. Anybody who doesn’t is not informed and is therefore ignorant.

I will call you Henny Penny from this moment going forward. Cheers big ears

Henny Pennylol nothing shows you like a member like an assigned name

 

[Captain Red Eye]

There is no shame in just saying you are too ignorant to vote.

Sort of like a violent ping pong game eh?

 

[Rakkasan]

3rd world shit hole inbred hillbilly haven Florida, now wants to let 14 year olds work overnight shifts in the fields to make up for migrant worker losses. We really are going in reverse. MAGA is the Taliban of America. Might as well just ban girls from going to school while they are at it.

Florida wants to loosen child-labor laws to make up for loss of migrant workers

The bill would allow children as young as 14 to work overnight shifts

www.independent.co.uk

Did they ever figure out why DeSantis was drinking beers with underage school girls he was supposed to be teaching? Donny showed us the pics.

Donald Trump suggests Ron DeSantis was 'grooming high school girls with alcohol,' causing governor to respond

Florida's governor fired back at former President Donald Trump after he took to social media, suggesting that Ron DeSantis was "grooming high school girls with alcohol" when he was a teacher.

www.wptv.com

 

[RobFromTX]

Poor fellow. That tds has gone from his brain to his unmentionables

and now the boys obsessed with maga drag queens

 

[nepalnt21]

There are millions of people who pass through the us borders each day, a few probably do get mistakenly detained, but with those odds you are as likely to be detained at the boarder as you are to get stabbed walking your dog. Do people put off walking their dog because of that possibility?

Most of use here have or do grow cannabis illegally remember…

don't you think they should work to minimize accidental arrests for people that are not criminals?

would you say that actively contributing needlessly or purposely to a higher mistake rate ought to be considered criminally negligent or outright criminal behavior?

 

[Jericho Mile]

don't you think they should work to minimize accidental arrests for people that are not criminals?

would you say that actively contributing needlessly or purposely to a higher mistake rate ought to be considered criminally negligent or outright criminal behavior?

Mayo…you can’t even remember what thread you’re responding to 1/2 the time…you’re so overwhelmed. Talking about negligence.

 

[Brother Nature]

don't you think they should work to minimize accidental arrests for people that are not criminals?

would you say that actively contributing needlessly or purposely to a higher mistake rate ought to be considered criminally negligent or outright criminal behavior?

All I’m saying is that even though something negative may happen if cuddles were to visit her American based family, those odds are so astronomically low that it shouldn’t guide her decision. I’d be more concerned the airplane she flies there in isn’t made by Boeing.

 

[nepalnt21]

haha well you might be right about that (about the boeing stuff, holy shit we live in a comic book with straight up comic book villains), but either way the odds are higher now that they're out there TRYING to arrest ppl, pretty sure they just look at everyone as a potential criminal.

 

[Chi13]

That’s correct : it’s not your problem. The only thing you have said that is legitimate.

You’re only snarky because I don’t believe what you do. Anybody who doesn’t is not informed and is therefore ignorant.

I will call you Henny Penny from this moment going forward. Cheers big ears

My bubble is vast and wonderful…sunny and warm

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Stroking it up the mountain today. How many people did I see? None.

Your whole schtick is to be willfully ignorant.

A picture is worth a 1000 words.

 

[arsekick]

it has nothing to do with agreement or disagreement. it has to do with the average person being so dumb they don't understand what they're saying is rehashed nazi propaganda. ie - marxists are subverting western civilization, flooding the west with immigrants, promoting transgenderism and "degeneracy", etc.

it is identical to how the fascists in nazi germany groomed their followers into fascists leading up to the holocaust.

Fuck me you're just a full of shit socialist loving retard leftard, you don't even realise how brainwashed you are or who was/is doing the brainwashing


"French social critic Frederic Bastiat (1801–1850) once said, “The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended.”[1] During much of the history of our republic, our intellectuals and those who digest these ideas for consumption by the general public did a poor job of defending the basic foundations of our freedom. Until the 60s, it was taken for granted that private property, absolute moral principles, and free enterprise were desirable. But while these things were based on a foregone conclusion, few were adequately prepared to defend these ideas against the modern liberal intellectual assault. Those intellectuals, such as Richard Weaver, M. E. Bradford, John East and Russell Kirk, who had an intimate understanding of human freedom, did not have access to the popular media or most university curricula.

The left saw this as a great weakness to be exploited primarily by attacking these institutions in the universities and colleges, knowing it would capture the imaginations of our youth during their formative years. Parents trusted these institutions to inculcate these basic ideas of freedom – they were betrayed by these institutions of learning. But two events allowed the left to instill serious questions in our youth's minds concerning these foundations: the civil rights movement and the Vietnam War.

Both of these events were couched in terms not to correct social evils or perceived errors in our leaders’ judgment, but rather they were designed to attack the whole fabric of our social organization, especially our moral foundations, our economic system, and the rule of law based on natural law. As we shall see, this did not begin in the 60s, but in fact, began over two centuries before.

THE POWER OF THE PRINTING PRESS​

It was Nicholas Bonneville in 1789 who first recognized the immense power of the printing press when he said, “The smell of the printer's ink is the incense of modern revolutionary organization.”[2] In organizing the revolutionary elements of the French Revolution, he proclaimed his intention to provide it with a “mouth of iron,” which, in his Bulletin de la Bouche de Fer, he called printing a “different, superior power,” a “fourth power” (later called the fourth estate), with a power outside and above the three branches of government.[3]

This “superior power” had the right and obligation to conduct censorship and denunciation in defense of the revolution. Its mission was “universal surveillance” on behalf of “that multitude of good citizens who are not yet enlightened enough to know what they desire.” This, of course, sounds quite familiar to those of us not intellectually stuporous from the vapors of socialism. Eric Voegelin has referred to this world view as gnosticism, that is, the view that a self-selected few possess a wealth of arcane knowledge that allows them to not only rule society, but also design it in its most intimate details.

One of the earliest communist pioneers, Theophile Thore, defended himself at his trial in 1840 by saying: “Thanks to printing and the press, we have today means of intellectual propaganda that the ancients did not imagine. Without going to converse in the shops and preach in the squares, we send the radiations of our thoughts directly in the hearts of men of good will.”[4]

Since this early beginning, every revolution has depended on widespread dissimulation of information to the masses in the form of carefully crafted “managed truths.” We know that propaganda played a vital role not only in our own American revolt but also in the French Revolution, the Revolution of 1848, the rise of National Socialism in Germany and Fascism in Italy, as well as in modern communist revolutions. One of the central aspects of mass propaganda is “the lie,” which is always shrouded with a modicum of truth, however small. Jean Francois Revel tells us, “All the authors who have described this immersion in falsehood – Orwell, Solzhenitsyn, Zinoviev – all have insisted that falsehood is not simply an additive but an organic component of totalitarianism, a protective carapace without which it could not survive.”[5]

We see this blatantly demonstrated in our own time. For example, while there is overwhelming evidence that Reagan tax cuts and tight money policy not only brought inflation under control but also created an economic rebirth (and he did this despite the insistence of the mass media that it could not be done without precipitating a depression), today history is being rewritten for the consumption of the masses so as to imply that these tax cuts destroyed the economy. Incredibly, a majority believe this deliberate propaganda, despite having lived themselves through the greatest boon and peacetime economic expansion in American history!

In the area of medicine, despite overwhelming evidence that Soviet collectivist medicine was a dismal failure and was resulting in a state-imposed mass annihilation, the Western media unceasingly extolled the virtues of Soviet medicine. And even worse, they all but demanded the United States copy this collectivist system. Now that the truth is available for all to see, such as the widespread AIDS infection through dirty instruments, hospitals ill equipped for even the simplest procedures and large patient wards resembling the worse conditions found in Third World countries, the media suddenly takes no interest. Why? Because it might expose “the lie.”

The leftist liberals know few individuals will take time to seek out the truth. Most of them are too busy with their daily work and many have neither the ability nor the desire to understand the complex issues involved. For liberty to survive, it must be defended by toil and effort on a daily basis. We have a tendency in this country to let someone else bother with such matters.

In his book, The Flight from Truth: The Reign of Deceit in the Age of Information,” Revel tells us, “For let us be honest in facing this fundamental fact: Those who cultivate competence, accuracy, and intellectual honesty tend to be the smallest segment of the journalistic community, their audience the smallest sector of the public.”[6]

The theme of his book is that a democracy cannot survive without a general access to truthful information. Without access to the truth, the voting majority are easily deceived into supporting the most nefarious of collectivist schemes. One need only witness the acceptance of Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, managed care, and the progressive tax code to understand this truth.

There exists an interesting psychology in the artful dissimulation of “managed truth.” What we hear and see from the media during the course of our lives commingles with our consciousness in subtle ways so that eventually we come to believe these ideas and impressions originated with us, something that has been referred to as the foregone conclusion. For example, when we say the United States has the best medical care system in the world, the leftists retort, “but everyone knows we have the highest infant mortality rate of any industrialized nation.” To refute this “fact” makes one an obvious idiot and a fool. This social pressure keeps most from challenging “accepted truths.” The liberals take full advantage of this social pressure in all spheres of life to keep the silent majority silent.

ROLE OF THE INTELLECTUALS​

Erick von Kuehnelt-Leddihn, Ludwig von Mises, F. A. Hayek, Christopher Dawson, and many other intellectuals have noted that no revolution in modern history ever originated with the supposedly exploited masses. Instead, it was a handful of intellectuals who designed and initiated these revolutions. F. A. Hayek crystallized their role when he said:

“It is the intellectual in this sense who decides what views and opinions are to reach us, which facts are important enough to be told to us, and what form and from what angle they are to be presented….

It is no exaggeration to say that once the more active part of the intellectuals has been converted to a set of beliefs, the process by which these become generally accepted is almost automatic and irresistible. It is their convictions and opinions that operate as the sieve through which all new conceptions must pass before they can reach the masses.”[7]

We see this in operation not only as it regards the media but also in the adoption of social policy and in the process of reaching judicial decisions. It is the self-appointed “expert,” or the “expert” chosen by the ruling elite to whom we defer in such cases, despite often overwhelming evidence of the errors in their thinking. But the impact of their pronouncements and opinions can mean the difference between freedom and slavery and between life and death. Witness the effects of intellectuals such as Count (Joseph Arthur) Gobineau who preached the idea of biologic racism that led eventually to the gas chambers of Auschwitz and Buchenwald.[8] As a member of the anointed experts, his words took precedence over those of lesser rank who dissented.

It was the Fabian socialists of England who demonstrated that without a violent revolution, a handful of cultural elites could transform a country from a free society to a collectivist one. Collectivism is a world view which believes that selected elites or “anointed” members of society possess superior knowledge and should be the ones chosen to engineer society according to central planning schemes. The ordinary citizen under such a system becomes a mere cog in the wheel of the state. The common person's views, personal plans and desires must be subordinated to that of the grand designers of the state.

On one evening in 1883 (the year of Marx's death), nine young British intellectuals met and founded the Fabian Society of London with the idea of transforming the world through a species of propaganda that they termed “education.”[9] Within a short period of time, they reached their goal in England and brought her to the verge of economic collapse, destroying a system of individual freedom that had evolved over centuries. With each failure of the collectivist plan came newer and more oppressive controls over the people. In the eyes of the planners, the problem is that people are not being obedient and this is because of self-interest and an inability to visualize the ultimate utopia that is the goal of the collectivist planners. Only the visionary anointed of the elite can conceptualize where they are taking all of us. In their view, we are like children being forced to take a bitter medicine; only later, when we are “well,” will we appreciate what was forced on us.

How were such a small number of intellectuals able to wrest control of the British government? It was done through a system of gradualism that involved attracting and utilizing university professors, playwrights, writers, social dignitaries, and politicians who shared these visions. Special efforts were made to recruit the young, who are always visionary. Their most powerful weapon was in controlling the “truth” and the dissimulation of controlled information, that is, managed truth.

For example, using monies from the tax-free foundations in America, they were able to form one of the most prestigious economic schools in the world, the London School of Economics, which attracted luminaries such as John Maynard Keynes (1883–1946), Joseph Kennedy, Jr, and John F. Kennedy.[10] This one institution changed the entire financial system of the Western world for over 50 years, mainly through a carefully orchestrated system of propaganda. Similar results have occurred in the areas of revisionist history, language, sociology and social policymaking.

THE FABIANS COME TO AMERICA​

In 1895, the Fabian Society of England came to the United States and helped establish an American society of intellectuals. Some of America's most influential writers, playwrights, authors, poets, industrialists, labor leaders, and politicians flocked to the new society. Dignitaries such as Jack London, Upton Sinclair, Felix Frankfurter, Walter Lippmann, and Louis Brandeis were members and dedicated followers of this collectivist idea. Most were quite open in their writings as to their dedication to collectivism. The new society in 1905 changed its name to the Intercollegiate Socialist Society. By 1921, because of the unpopularity of the name “socialist,” they once again changed their name as League for Industrial Democracy.

The first issue of their official magazine, The American Fabian, printed by the budding society in February 1895, outlined its objectives in America. On the top of their list was to effect a series of basic changes in the constitution itself “that would make possible the introduction of state socialism step by step in the United States.”[11] In the same issue, they observed that England's (unwritten) constitution readily allows changes so that England can move into socialism almost imperceptibly, but “our constitution, being largely individualistic, must be changed to admit socialism, and each change necessitates a political crisis.” The real or manufactured crisis is always the engine of revolutionary assaults on traditional political structures.

Even a brief review of American history, since the time these words were printed, will attest to the brilliance of this plan. Collectivism has made tremendous strides as a result of a series of contrived as well as real crises: World War I, the stock market crash of 1929 and the subsequent Great Depression of the 1930s, World War II, and so on. Today, as an example, we are told of a persistent crisis in health care delivery that acts as a political impetus for the establishment of universal health care coverage, in effect, a socialist, national health care plan.

Three years after the new party was established, British Fabian socialist, Ramsey MacDonald, on a return visit to the United States said, “The great bar to socialist progress in the United States is the written constitution, federal and state, which gives ultimate power to a law court.”[12] As we shall see, much attention has been given to correcting this “problem.”

JUDICIAL ACTIVISM: SOCIALISM WITH TEETH​

It was Felix Frankfurter (1882—1965) who advocated the concept of judicial activism before his elevation to the Supreme Court (1932—1962). This idea transformed the intended purpose of the court from interpretation of the law to creation of new laws through leftist interpretation. This, of course, was one of the early goals of the Fabians, to break down the separation of powers. Judicial activism gives the courts the traditional judicial power as well as a new power to legislate, all the while separated from the voter. This new judicial power did not go unrecognized. In his 1967 Carpentier lecture at Columbia University, Justice Adolph A. Berle opened by saying: “The thesis can be briefly stated. Ultimate legislative power in the United States has come to rest in the Supreme Court of the United States…. This is a revolution. The unique fact is that the revolutionary committee is the Supreme Court of the United States.”[13]

One of President Woodrow Wilson's closest friends was the Harvard law professor and later Supreme Court Justice (1916–1939), Louis D. Brandeis (1856–1941). Brandeis, a supporter of the idea of a sociological interpretation of the constitution, was the Justice who, interestingly, solved the Fabians’ biggest dilemma – how to fund their massive new collectivist social programs? In a conversation with Associate Justice Benjamin Cardozo (1870–1938) on how to fund social insurance, he whispered, “The taxing power of the federal government, my dear; the taxing power is sufficient for everything you want and need.”[14] The rest is history.

President Wilson's closest advisor, Colonel Edward Mandell House (1858–1938), was a Fabian Society member and it was Colonel House's opinion that the “United States constitution, a creation of eighteenth century minds, was not only outmoded, but grotesque and ought to be scrapped or rewritten.”[15] The British socialist Harold Laski tells us why they feared the constitution when he stated it was “capitalism's strongest safeguard on earth today.”[16] He also called for all liberal, socialist, and communist groups to advance the idea of democratic socialism.

In 1920, the Fabians formed the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) primarily to combat arrest and deportation of communists and also to promote leftist judicial activism. One of its founders was Supreme Court Justice and Fabian socialist Felix Frankfurter. I wrote an article for the Greensboro News on the history of the ACLU, including its early domination by communist board members. The newspaper would not print the article until it had been approved by the national headquarters of the ACLU. It was approved.

Philip Kurland, in an article for Modern Age, summarized the basic problem of judicial activism when he said, “Essentially the problem is that we have become a society overburdened by laws, whether they be statues, or executive orders, or regulations, or guidelines, or judicial decrees.”

It has been observed that today most laws are not made by the legislature but rather by bureaucracies. Hundreds of thousands of pages of laws are written every day by an army of unaccountable bureaucrats who are, in essence, destroying our freedom.

EDUCATING THE NEW SOCIALIST​

Recognizing the importance of education, by 1888, the Fabians formed the Nationalist Clubs whose purpose was to “educate” the masses in socialist thought via lectures, books, and other publications.[17] By 1890, there were 158 such clubs throughout the United States. Some 50 newspapers supported the clubs, including major papers in Boston, New York, and Philadelphia. That same year they published the Literary Digest, edited by many respected luminaries, including poets, writers, bankers, clergy, and of course lawyers, primarily to give legitimacy to its collectivist ideas.

The American Fabians used as their model the Society for Socialist Inquiry and Propaganda (changed to the New Fabian Research Bureau in 1931) that was created by the Fabian Socialist founders G. D. H. and Margaret Cole, the latter being a tutor at Oxford and the London School of Economics. This group included some of the most outstanding figures in British society, which gave them much prestige and enhanced their ability to permeate all aspects of society with this new managed truth. This organization literally flooded British society with a multitude of publications on virtually every socialist subject under the sun. But more importantly, the usual outlets of information dissemination, newspapers, writers and politicians, turned to these socialist intellectuals for answers, just as we see in America today.

The Fabians played a large part in organizing the major teacher unions, including the National Education Association (NEA), the American Federation of Teachers, and the American Association of University Professors. Interestingly, it was one of the most ardent Fabians, Jack London (1876–1916), who started the idea of speaking tours among the many college and university campuses for the specific purpose of promoting Fabian socialist ideas.[18] Philosopher Sidney Hook tells us that it was the writings of Jack London which attracted him to socialism.

Sidney Hook, an early disciple of socialism, saw the importance of democracy in promoting socialism when he wrote, “The task of the socialist in such a situation is to work to introduce the conditions under which democracy can develop, and to carry on intense educational activity on behalf of socialism.”[19]

By 1933, the Student League for Industrial Democracy merged openly with many pro-communist groups to form the American Student Union, which in these early days continued to be deeply infiltrated with communists. Sidney Hook, in his important autobiography Out of Step states that “his picture of communist influence, so strong that it amounted to domination of key areas of American cultural life, in literature, art and movies, may appear incredible to those who were not involved at the time, but the evidence, although often ignored today, is available and overwhelming.”[20]

The Fabian socialists received a tremendous boost from the tax-exempt foundations. During the course of the hearings on the tax-exempt foundations before the Carrol B. Reese Committee, which examined the records of the Ford Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation and the Carnegie Foundation, as well as many other interconnected foundations, they discovered that these multi-billion dollar foundations were directing enormous amounts of money and influence into changing American education so that students would accept a new world dominated by Fabian socialist ideas.[21]

The committee found the foundations had created an “extremely powerful propaganda machine” that produced masses of material for distribution in educational institutions, underwrote textbooks to be used in schools, created political clubs, and established professorships at colleges for training and indoctrinating teachers, all with a leftist slant. In fact, one of the common themes they found in the foundation literature was a call to alter the American Constitution so as to facilitate the introduction of collectivist programs, something, as we have seen, has always been a dream of the Fabians. The committee concluded one thing was utterly clear, “No private group should have the power or right to decide what should be read and taught in our schools and colleges;” yet, this is exactly what the endowment sought to do in “educating public opinion.”[22]

We see this pattern continued in foundation support of radical environmentalism, moral relativism, disarmament propaganda, and the Goals 2000 education scheme in our schools. They have also supported propaganda designed to alter our ideas concerning private property, medical care delivery, and the desirability of “economic democracy” (democratic socialism) worldwide. As has been reported in the Medical Sentinel, the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation has been a major force behind state initiatives forcing managed care on whole populations. Many of these foundations interlock, so that hidden contributions may come from each other, thereby magnifying their influence.

Over the past 20 years, we have witnessed an all-out assault on our values and beliefs by the education establishment designed to alter our American system of government so as to accept collectivism on a grand scale. Knowing that the universities are the centers of collectivist activism, the collectivist left is ever seeking to enroll more and more youth in these universities. This may be why President Clinton has publicly announced that all children deserve a college education in America. He knows that even though in reality not all students will need a college education to pursue their life-long careers and attain their place in society, it is in the university that they will receive their collectivist indoctrination, just as with the 60s’ generation. This is also why the National Education Association, a Fabian creation, has, as a dominant part of their agenda each year, to undermine home schooling. In fact, this year they insisted that national laws be passed that would require the home schooled child to use the same educational materials (books, pamphlets and visual aids) as used by the public school system.

ECONOMIC THEORY​

Following a backlash against socialist governments in the aftermath of World War II, it was suggested that the Fabians drop the word “socialist” and instead substitute the term “economic democracy.” This term has been used repeatedly throughout the latter part of the 20th century by gradualist socialists and the new left. It was soon after the turn of the century, in fact, that the socialists pulled their most brilliant coup. This occurred when they appropriated the label “liberal.” They were well aware that classical liberal principles were opposite to theirs, but that made the theft even more exciting. In fact, until recently, most Europeans were puzzled that American collectivists referred to themselves as “liberals”, since they understood that they were opposing terms.

It was John Maynard Keynes (1883–1946), a product of the London School of Economics, who expressed the idea that society should be a form of socialism ruled by elites.[23] And, it was also Keynes who first advocated the abandonment of the gold standard by England and the shifting of defense funds for social programs – something that the American, modern liberals learned well.

In his General Theory of Employment, Interest, and Money (1936), Keynes advocated the planning of a nation's economic life, political supervision of private industry, and manipulation of the currency, that is, a massive increase in the size and scope of government. The first enthusiastic review of Keynes’ General Theory by a professional economist was by G. D. H. Cole, an avowed Marxist and a founding member of the Fabian Society. Two of the strongest proponents in America were government officials in Franklin D. Roosevelt's administration, Lauchlin Currie and Harry Dexter White, both proven communists. Keynes himself was quoted as saying, “The Republic of my imagination lies on the extreme left of celestial space.”[24] Despite this, Keynesian economics dominated the American economy until the election of Ronald Reagan, after which it was declared dead. Unfortunately, the corpse continues to convulse and has now arisen as a zombie, more difficult to kill than ever.

Within their book The Communist Manifesto, second on a list of 10 methods to create the new collectivist society, Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels proposed “a heavy progressive or graduated income tax.”[25] Early writings of the American Fabians also insisted on a severely graduated income tax system and a heavy and graduated inheritance tax, as well as a tax on land value. Later, Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis also proposed the use of taxes to fund the growth of socialism in the US during the New Deal.

It seems obvious the primary purpose of taxation is not to collect revenues, but rather to punish the wealthy individualist and redistribute his wealth. It has been demonstrated no less than three times in our history that to collect more revenues, you simply cut the tax rate. Yet, the leftists in this country continue to rail against tax cuts. You would think they would be overjoyed to have more money to fund their programs. But they do not because it flies in the face of a more important principle of leftism – egalitarianism – that is, the forced division of wealth by utilizing the power of the state.

The centerpiece of the collectivist egalitarian state is the welfare establishment which serves two purposes. Most important, people must be made dependent on government, and in the beginning, this dependence centered on housing, food, and special benefits (unemployment and worker's compensation insurance). But what better way could be there to make people dependent than to be the only source of health care? In The Law (1850), Frederic Bastiat captures the essence of socialism: “In all of them, you will probably find this idea that mankind is merely inert matter, receiving life, organization, morality, and prosperity from the power of the state.”[26] The second aim of collectivism is to punish the individualist person of wealth. Scholars of collectivism agree that the collectivist sees the individual as an enemy of the state who continually resists their collectivist plans. It is axiomatic that what the dictator fears most is the people – this explains the ever present and increasingly oppressive police state.

The greatest strides in American socialism occurred under Presidents Woodrow Wilson, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Lyndon Johnson, Bill Clinton and now Barack Obama, but each president in between has played a role. Since the presidency of FDR, a great number of collectivists have entered the administrations of each of these presidents as cabinet members, directors of bureaucracies and other officials in positions of power. It was Clinton's economic advisor, Derek Shearer, who, like his Fabian predecessors, in 1970 advocated a change in the name “socialism” to “economic democracy” because the word socialism scared people. Economic democracy has also been the clarion call of Vietnam War protestor Tom Hayden. It was Shearer who once said, “Marxism is an attempt to humanize economic and social life.”

Ira Magaziner, the architect of the Clinton health care plan, and former labor secretary Robert Reich lamented that we lack a “centralized government agency responsible for devising a rational ”industrial policy.” The concept of an “industrial policy” is another code word for socialism (like those used by Marxist Antonio Gramsci, architects of Fascist Italy and National Socialist Germany, and the Anglo-American Fabians).

But once again, socialism has changed its stripes. Achille Occhetto, General Secretary of the Italian Communist Party, stated: “Our objective is no longer the socialist system achieved by democratic means, but democracy guided by socialist ideas.”[27] One of the most common words used by the Marxists and Leninist has been “democracy.” They support democracy, but only as long as they are able to control the public perception of “truth.” For over two centuries, political philosophers have understood that freedom under democracies is directly dependent on access to the “truth.” When the collectivists control what constitutes the “truth,” democracy allows them to progressively increase the power of the state until it is all-powerful and irresistible. The lure of socialism is that it tells the people there is nothing they cannot have and that all social evils will be redressed by the state.

CONCLUSION​

This essay was designed to give the reader a better idea as to how we have arrived where we are today in the American society. It is difficult, if not impossible, to understand contemporary events without understanding the forces that have motivated our society and the ideologies that have captivated the minds of the intellectuals.

The transformation of American society, from a society of defenders of freedom to one of collectivist thinking, grew out of a small network of influential Fabian intellectuals meeting at the Hull House in Chicago at the turn of the century. By using their prestige, power, and influence and by utilizing the enormous wealth of the tax-exempt foundations, they have been able to challenge the concept of the separation of powers of our government, alter our economic system, violate our constitution via judicial activism, and alter our perceptions on national sovereignty. Private property, for the first time in our history, is being directly challenged. Our children are being taught to ignore moral principles, accept relativism, and abandon the concept of individual liberty in exchange for collectivist ideas of “the village.”

V. I. Lenin said, “It is true that liberty is precious, so precious that it must be rationed.” The rationing of liberty has taken many forms; economic liberty is controlled by the welfare state for some, and social security and federal health care by others. Hundreds of thousands of pages of bureaucratic rules and regulations further ration our liberties. And should a national health care system be ultimately instituted, the elimination of our liberties will be near completion. The control over the individual under such a system goes far beyond just medical care itself. We are witnessing the total regimentation of people under a system of absolute state control, which includes virtually every aspect of our lives.

In his book Theory and History, Ludwig von Mises states, “The collective creed is by necessity exclusive and totalitarian…. There is, of course, but one way to make one's own judgments of value supreme. One must beat into submission all those dissenting. … Collectivism is a doctrine of war, intolerance, and persecution.”[28] And Nathaniel Weyl notes, “Communist society needs the sort of subject who can accept regimentation and authority without questioning it. The individualist – and therefore, the intellectually superior elements – are a security risk.”[29]

The principles of classical liberalism are being assaulted daily, not only in our universities, public schools, news media, television programming, movies, books and novels, but also by a whole generation of professionals in private society who were convinced of the desirability of egalitarian collectivism during the 60s and even more so today. Most shockingly, this also includes our churches. The foundation upon which Western civilization was built was religion, and hence it has been one of the main targets of the modern liberal-leftist.

The collectivists not only seek to destroy Judeo-Christian beliefs but also are aggressively altering the church from inside so that it too becomes a voice of egalitarian collectivism, that is, the new world order. Those of us who read history repeat incessantly, “You cannot understand contemporary events without knowing the past.” Too many naively assume all of these social programs arise de novo from the minds of honest reformers, rather than the truth, that they were formulated in the minds of intellectuals dedicated to the collectivization of the world. The process by which they convince the masses to accept self-enslavement is by managing the truth. So, in essence, in our naiveté and acquiescence to their managed truths, and in being blinded to the real truth, we are building the gallows of our own civilization."

 

[Old Piney]

your confidence is based upon exactly what?

cause their track record says otherwise, as pointed out... i just am curious about the reasoning here, why the confidence in this admin?

because they will look like shit with no excuse for a second failure on the same issue. You believe it will happen again? if so i’m curious why . BTW Im also curious what do you think about the the comparison of the trail of tears to the possibility of DOGE cutting funding to the free building supplied by taxpayers for the Navajos energy business .

 

[Jericho Mile]

Your whole schtick is to be willfully ignorant.

A picture is worth a 1000 words.

You take the time to let me know. That’s ok. You’re a perfect stranger from a land far away. What the fuck do you know?


You are an angry person. The world is just not right for you.

Jealousy = when someone else is having fun and you are not

Now go piss off…walk around your block

 

[Chi13]

You take the time to let me know. That’s ok. You’re a perfect stranger from a land far away. What the fuck do you know?


You are an angry person. The world is just not right for you.

Jealousy = when someone else is having fun and you are not

Now go piss off…walk around your block

Apparently I know more than you, because you don't read or believe the mainstream news.

No, not particularly angry and certainly not jealous, LMAO.

 

[Jericho Mile]

Apparently I know more than you, because you don't read or believe the mainstream news.

No, not particularly angry and certainly not jealous, LMAO.

….but certainly in need of my attention. Here I am. What do you want? Need to vent? Having an anxiety laden day?

I thought it was a consensus that the media was not to be trusted and is biased. Or did that change when they told you what you wanted to hear?

You people can’t make up your minds about anything on your own. Like dogs chasing your own tails.

You’re a very weak entity. Go away.

 

[Old Piney]

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While there's no specific, comprehensive data available on the exact number of Native Americans detained by ICE, reports indicate that Native Americans have been stopped, questioned, and detained, with some being arrested and deported, even though ICE does not have the authority to arrest or deport U.S. citizens.

Here's a breakdown of the situation:

• Native Americans are U.S. citizens:
  Native Americans born in the U.S. are U.S. citizens, and ICE cannot detain or deport them for immigration violations.
  
  
• Reports of detentions and questioning:
  There have been reports of Indigenous people being questioned and detained during immigration sweeps, with some being asked to produce proof of citizenship.
  
  
• • Navajo Nation concerns:
    Navajo Nation leaders have raised concerns about reports of Indigenous people being stopped at their homes and workplaces, questioned or detained by federal law enforcement.
  • Potential for mistaken arrests:
    There's a risk of ICE mistakenly arresting and deporting U.S. citizens, including Native Americans.
  • Government Accountability Office report:
    A 2021 Government Accountability Office report indicated that from October 1, 2015, to March 2020, ICE arrested 674 potential U.S. citizens, detained 121, and removed 70.
  • Overrepresentation in the criminal legal system:
    Native people are disproportionately represented in the criminal legal system, including incarceration rates.
  • Data on ICE detentions:
    As of March 9, 2025, ICE held 46,269 individuals in detention, with 23,081 having no criminal record.
    
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    Now, take a wild stab in the dark and ask yourself if these 'problems' are apt to have become more frequent or less frequent in light of Trump's zeal for most things brown or 'darker than tan.'
    
    

As I said before I don’t believe it will happen again .As far as I can tell it happened once and again because they weren’t familiar with the ID .as to the rest of your rundown other than the” concerns” and “ fears “ why are we talking about 2021 , what is thr crime rate of native people in comparison to the rest of the population? Also if you’re here illegally you have committed a crime. I’m just gonna keep asking, what is your opinion on the trail of tears comparison ? You gotta say I won’t let it go . I’m very familiar With this atrocity committed on the Cherokee and the comparison is shameful. But I guess I shouldn’t be surprised It’s like comparing the president to Hitler

 

[moose eater]

As I said before I don’t believe it will happen again .As far as I can tell it happened once and again because they weren’t familiar with the ID .as to the rest of your rundown other than the” concerns” and “ fears “ why are we talking about 2021 , what is thr crime rate of native people in comparison to the rest of the population? Also if you’re here illegally you have committed a crime. I’m just gonna keep asking, what is your opinion on the trail of tears comparison ? You gotta say I won’t let it go . I’m very familiar With this atrocity committed on the Cherokee and the comparison is shameful. But I guess I shouldn’t be surprised It’s like comparing the president to Hitler

It's happened way more than once, even in the stats you're replying to.

Again, considering the increase in vigilance and ruthlessness in Trump's directive, and his removing anyone from his cabinet and elsewhere who he believes -might- raise humanitarian concerns over his excesses and extremist nonsense, do you think the frequency is apt to go up or down.

Logic says way up.

 

[moose eater]

One can only hope....