Trump thread part 2 (Or anything else we want to talk about that's ridiculous in politics today)

[HempKat]

This is what you get when the crowd is so busy hooting and hollering that MTG gets drowned out and has to leave the rally just a few minutes after she arrived.

MTG Flees Her Own Trump-Arrest Protest as Hecklers Drown Her Out

Marjorie Taylor Greene and George Santos showed up outside the Manhattan courthouse ahead of Donald Trump's arrest on Tuesday.

www.rollingstone.com

 

[Brother Nature]

I was discussing this case with a friend at work today, he is the head council for this countries division of one of the largest tech companies in the world, he practiced criminal and commercial law prior to this role. His opinion sits along the lines of Hammers, it's a weak case that is more about the optics than any result. Trump is clearly guilty of a lot of shit, but if they take him down they have to take the others, the others won't let that happen. Or they'll Epstein him.... so there is hope I guess.

 

[comfy markoth]

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yeah,he's pissed

Ghawd blesh, zhe unided schatesh

 

[h.h.]

They always bring forth the strongest of charges in every criminal case. It’s always a plea bargain. Negotiating the deal.

 

[audiohi]

 

[igrowone]

that's gotta be morbidly obese

 

[h.h.]

Those are some big diapers to fill.

 

[Zeez]

It''s about as clear as mud whether this is a weak or a strong case.

Nobody has the specifics an any of the charges, so this is just speculating on nothing.

What we do know at this point.
34 felony charges.
Weiselberg did jail time for his part in these crimes.
Cohen did time for his role.
What ever Chump is guilty of, he will likely shoot his mouth off again and make it worse.

 

['Boogieman']

If you keep company with porn stars, own it. That would be my campaign slogan.

I'm down with that.

 

['Boogieman']

None here do. I know a few lawyers. They said this is not a case they would have filed. It's very weak and might not even be a felony. Don't be surprised if the judge tosses it. The prosecutor helped Trump more than harmed him.

People tend to shoot the messenger. It's always been that way. Using your head and intuition is intelligence. I know you dislike Trump very much and that's fine. Using your head instead of emotions creates clear thoughts.

 

[h.h.]

You know what they’ll say.
“Trump didn’t kill himself.”
The saga continues.

 

[Zeez]

I'm down with that.

Before being down with that, it's a good idea to know where that has been.

 

[HempKat]

I was discussing this case with a friend at work today, he is the head council for this countries division of one of the largest tech companies in the world, he practiced criminal and commercial law prior to this role. His opinion sits along the lines of Hammers, it's a weak case that is more about the optics than any result. Trump is clearly guilty of a lot of shit, but if they take him down they have to take the others, the others won't let that happen. Or they'll Epstein him.... so there is hope I guess.

Like I said before the case if only weak in the sense that it's not a major crime and it's almost a guarentee he won't do any time unless they can prove the aspect of the case that elevates it to a felony. Even then it's highly unlikely he would get time given that he's managed to avoid having a criminal record all these years despite having done things most people think of as criminal. To put it differently, if they took away the felony aspect and just charge him with 34 counts of business fraud (a misdemeaner if there is no connection to another crime to elevate it to a felony) then the plain fraud case is pretty much open and shut.

There are two problems with that though. The one that has most people fussing about it all is that business fraud is not really a big deal and it happens quite often especially in a place like NY that is known as the financial center of the world it's kind of like the business equivilent of jay walking. It's definitely a crime, it does have a punishment if found guilty but it's so minor that often times you never hear about it. Now there is a problem that could potentially get Trump off which is the statute of limitations. From what I'm hearing in the latest reports they need to make the connection to another crime to elevate it to a felony in order to overcome the statute of limitations (which is 5 years) the crime happened in 2016 so the statute of limitations on just business fraud expired last year. The thing is, that only ran out because Trump was in office as President for 4 of those 5 years and there's that whole legal opinion of "you can't indict a sitting President" The thing about that though is that legal opinion was never meant to be a loophole by which someone could avoid accountibility, it was just meant as a way to not interfere with the Pressident of being able to perform his/her duties as a President. There is not a rule about that though since the whole matter of not indicting a sitting President is just an opinion and not an actual law.

Here's the thing though, none of that really matters because if they can make the connection to raise it to a felony then the statute of limitations no longer applies. If they can't though then the worst case scenario is that the case gets thrown out. The problem is that everyone has been waiting for something to happen that they're acting like all this stuff is tied together and if Trump isn't convicted of this then everything else is out the window, which simply isn't true. This case is only a matter of New York State law. It has nothing at all to do with Georgia state law or Federal law so all those other cases still pending indictment are still at play and still very much a threat to Trump's freedom. More importantly none of those cases are complicated by having passed any statute of limitations.

Will it look bad if the New York DA loses this case? Sure. Will it help Trump in a primary? Meh potentially but I doubt anyone not willing to vote for Trump now will suddenly change their mind if NY loses this case Will it help Trump raise campaign money? Probably but only from the same suckers he's been milking of money already, to the tune of millions. Here's another thing, this case won't even get a hearing on motions until the end of the summer and currently isn't due to go to trial until January (although there has been no firm date decided on yet.) Georgia is likely to indict sometime this month or next and the documents case and the other cases Jack Smith is investigating are probably going to indict by mid summer. So by the time this case actually gets to trial there will be 3-4 other much more serious cases that Trump will have been indicted on.

The only real issue here is that so many have been on pins and needles waiting for Trump to be indicted and many hoping it will be the end of Trump that now that an indictment has happened and everyone sees it's a fairly minor charge it's all.....well anti-climatic. Like I said before this is all just the start of the legal ride Trump will be on and everyone needs to just take a deep breath and wait to see how it all unfolds.

 

[Jericho Mile]

Like I said before the case if only weak in the sense that it's not a major crime and it's almost a guarentee he won't do any time unless they can prove the aspect of the case that elevates it to a felony. Even then it's highly unlikely he would get time given that he's managed to avoid having a criminal record all these years despite having done things most people think of as criminal. To put it differently, if they took away the felony aspect and just charge him with 34 counts of business fraud (a misdemeaner if there is no connection to another crime to elevate it to a felony) then the plain fraud case is pretty much open and shut.

There are two problems with that though. The one that has most people fussing about it all is that business fraud is not really a big deal and it happens quite often especially in a place like NY that is known as the financial center of the world it's kind of like the business equivilent of jay walking. It's definitely a crime, it does have a punishment if found guilty but it's so minor that often times you never hear about it. Now there is a problem that could potentially get Trump off which is the statute of limitations. From what I'm hearing in the latest reports they need to make the connection to another crime to elevate it to a felony in order to overcome the statute of limitations (which is 5 years) the crime happened in 2016 so the statute of limitations on just business fraud expired last year. The thing is, that only ran out because Trump was in office as President for 4 of those 5 years and there's that whole legal opinion of "you can't indict a sitting President" The thing about that though is that legal opinion was never meant to be a loophole by which someone could avoid accountibility, it was just meant as a way to not interfere with the Pressident of being able to perform his/her duties as a President. There is not a rule about that though since the whole matter of not indicting a sitting President is just an opinion and not an actual law.

Here's the thing though, none of that really matters because if they can make the connection to raise it to a felony then the statute of limitations no longer applies. If they can't though then the worst case scenario is that the case gets thrown out. The problem is that everyone has been waiting for something to happen that they're acting like all this stuff is tied together and if Trump isn't convicted of this then everything else is out the window, which simply isn't true. This case is only a matter of New York State law. It has nothing at all to do with Georgia state law or Federal law so all those other cases still pending indictment are still at play and still very much a threat to Trump's freedom. More importantly none of those cases are complicated by having passed any statute of limitations.

Will it look bad if the New York DA loses this case? Sure. Will it help Trump in a primary? Meh potentially but I doubt anyone not willing to vote for Trump now will suddenly change their mind if NY loses this case Will it help Trump raise campaign money? Probably but only from the same suckers he's been milking of money already, to the tune of millions. Here's another thing, this case won't even get a hearing on motions until the end of the summer and currently isn't due to go to trial until January (although there has been no firm date decided on yet.) Georgia is likely to indict sometime this month or next and the documents case and the other cases Jack Smith is investigating are probably going to indict by mid summer. So by the time this case actually gets to trial there will be 3-4 other much more serious cases that Trump will have been indicted on.

The only real issue here is that so many have been on pins and needles waiting for Trump to be indicted and many hoping it will be the end of Trump that now that an indictment has happened and everyone sees it's a fairly minor charge it's all.....well anti-climatic. Like I said before this is all just the start of the legal ride Trump will be on and everyone needs to just take a deep breath and wait to see how it all unfolds.

…well at least you’re not holding your breath waiting. That would be tragic.

Trump is an old man. Even if the “legal ride” lasts until the end of his days…it’s absolutely nothing new to the guy.

So ok Trump doesn’t become president again. Big deal. Such a great victory! We already have another old mindless fuck nut in office Crisis averted!

 

[h.h.]

Before being down with that, it's a good idea to know where that has been.

That’s what she told me.

 

[armedoldhippy]

the crimes as charged are misdemeanors, but are elevated to felonies because they were committed in order to conceal ANOTHER crime. just like with Nixon, the desire to escape a slap on the wrist is going to involve a much harsher punishment. Bragg showed only the legal minimum in his indictments to keep The Chumps lawyers in the dark about what they are actually facing. this keeps them from trying the case in the newspapers and on Faux "news" instead of a courtroom....where it belongs.

 

[armedoldhippy]

The problem there is nobody so far seems quite clear on what other crime exactly the DA wants to tie it to.
that depends entirely on what exactly the DA ties it to, nobody is really sure yet

Bragg is not going to give Chumps lawyers a running head start on what they are facing. they won't see any of that until in the courtroom, so they don't get to try the case in the news instead of a courtroom. falsifying records to prevent damaging news during an election is called "defrauding the United States" by preventing voters from voting with the knowledge they need IN RE the candidates. screwing a porn star or playmate is not against the law. hiding that information from the public like they tried to do IS...and might have put him into office. or a jail cell.

 

[Hammerhead]

The judge is gonna look at what the prosecutor has shown. That is all he has to go on. If there is no evidence to support a felony it will get dismissed.

 

[armedoldhippy]

The judge is gonna look at what the prosecutor has shown. If there is no evidence to support a felony it will get dismissed.

the judge won't see it all until it goes to trial. you keep being "hopeful" though...

 

[Hammerhead]

the judge won't see it all until it goes to trial. you keep being "hopeful" though...

That is not how is works. The prosecution cannot prove Trump was engaged in criminal activity. He doesn't need to hear the whole case to decide. Trump's lawyers will 100% ask to dismiss. A judge can dismiss the case if they find no legal basis for the charge, if the defendant's rights have been violated, or if the state has failed to prove its case. Judges can dismiss a case either on their own motion or on the motion of the defendant.