Trudeau: I Want to Legalize Weed, but They Won’t Let Me

[Limeygreen]

The fact of the international treaties is a concern for Trudeau in the respect that he is trying to court international investors to canadian business. If he waits and goes sto the UN to make his case why we need to change the laws, along with Mexico and other countries he shows the international world that he wants to go about things in the proper way and will conduct business in the same manner for things like the kyoto accord he doesn't want people to think he will just do whatever he pleases, but adbide by contracts and deals done, that is my thought on the UN treaties, nothing to do with sanctions it's all for show.

Now what comes out of the UN meeting is a different story, but it's a slow and deliberate plan by him I believe, I want it to move faster but I can at least understand the pressure he is getting from all angles while remaining diplomatic. Push will come to shove at some point though.

 

[Tynehead Tom]

Bill Blair is parliamentary secretary to the justice minister and is going to be overseeing Health Canada, Public Safety and the Provinces as they start to figure out how,what when where and why.

Bill Blair is a Liberal, and he does support the legalization of pot, as do many police chiefs/forces across Canada.

I know everyone is upset/frustrated he was given the job but myself I think it's a brilliant move by Trudeau. Lets say they put Emery or some other pro-pot drum banger in charge. It would be easy to get the laws overturned in court or say there was bias and start from scratch, especially if/when another party comes to power. But it's pretty hard to challenge when the guy in charge that oversaw everything is a former top cop.

My 2 cents.

I see your 2 cents and I hear ya.
My concern is looking at Bill Blair's history when it cam to how he behaved as a top cop. There are 1.4 million Canadians in this country that view Blair's past actions as a police chief to be a slap in the face to law abiding, freedom loving Canadians. Yes, I am talking about another special interest group, Canadian firearms owners. Bill Blair is a put bull and man who will throw good reason and sound scientific study right out the window in favour of what ever agenda he decides to go with. I'll say one thing he's proven, he is most certainly a "police state" kind of guy. Do your own research folks, if you do, and you still think he's the right guy to be in charge "for a favourable outcome in a timely fashion" , well, I don't know what to say LOL I "know" who this guy is and what his behavior has been in the past decade and it truly blew my mind when I heard that him of all people was put on this profile.
hey I'm not trying to preach or pontificate my views, but my guess is that the average Canadian voter, who happens to also be a cannabis user, has zero idea who Bill Blair is, or how his past actions have negatively affected law abiding Canadians.
I for one am watching this closely and waiting for Blair to do what they hired him for..... the enforcement side of punishing those that don't play along with whatever plan they cook up. My feelings are that things are going to get much worse for pot smokers in Canada before it gets any better, and the real hope for change is within our judiciary system, where positive are happening. The recent 6 month extension for medical growers for example.
in the end, , I guess we all just have to sit back, pound our politicians with letters and hope for the best

 

[Mikell]

hey I'm not trying to preach or pontificate my views, but my guess is that the average Canadian voter, who happens to also be a cannabis user

And yet here you are, preaching away in poorly constructed sentagraphs.


There aren't nearly enough cannabis users in Canada to qualify that statement.


Bloody Americanized Canadians. What part of rural Alberta do you hail from? How do you fit a ten gallon hat on that pinhead?


Cheers Eastcoast, for using your brain, a little patience and a bit of optimism.

To our international members, look at Tyne not as an example of the average Canadian, but as a warning against interbreeding within a closed loop genetic pool.

 

[dannykarey]

Lol ^^^^^

 

[Tynehead Tom]

And yet here you are, preaching away in poorly constructed sentagraphs.


There aren't nearly enough cannabis users in Canada to qualify that statement.


Bloody Americanized Canadians. What part of rural Alberta do you hail from? How do you fit a ten gallon hat on that pinhead?


Cheers Eastcoast, for using your brain, a little patience and a bit of optimism.

To our international members, look at Tyne not as an example of the average Canadian, but as a warning against interbreeding within a closed loop genetic pool.

every post you make you berate and insult those with whom you seem to have some issues understanding.
I could care less if you agree, disagree.......
and every time you have tried to "peg" me with who you think I am or where I come from in Canada, you've been wrong.


Do "YOU" know who bill blair is?
I think another real good question, considering where you are from in your location, and you don't know where Tynehead is ?
hmmmm.


I'm just one guy, taking part in a discussion, if I'm going to be treated with disrespect and childish insults with every post, well, i'll just keep my posts here to the grow forums and leave you to keep your head in the sand.
bill Blair is an enemy, whether you see that or not is not my problem.


For those of you who are adults and conduct yourself accordingly, and are of a free thinking mind, use your google fu and type in Bill Blair G20. have a good read about this man.

cheers folks.

 

[Mikell]

I'm bound to miss a few times, but as a whole you perform well enough as a loud mouthed, gun toting Texan to call it as such.

You post biased political claptrap. Lieberals? Really? This is how adults think and conduct themselves?

No would be the answer to that question.

What else do you expect? You want to take part in these discussions and hide who you voted for? Grow a pair and wade into the deep end of the shitpool.

My apologies if you're used to people swallowing your tripe.

 

[Tynehead Tom]

I voted for the Mp who best suited and benefitted my riding. One who the majority of the business owners in the community I live near discussed long and hard who that should be. That Mp has held her seat in the Cariboo for many terms.
unfortunately, the other candidates running in our region were not representative of the population.
Call me old school, call me what ever your little heart desires, but there is three things you don't ask a man, his religious views, how he votes and how much money he makes. None of anyone's business, and those we do discuss such things with are our wives and our families and our closest of friends. Going beyond that to me is disrespectfull and immature.

I have not posted here and called people names, haven't been rude, I've simply attempted to express a different point of view than some and tried to open folks eyes to the reality of who is bill blair. what the hell is wrong with that?
is this not an open discussion? am I to only accept your view, as if this is your little personal sounding board for you to be an dickhead to those who's opinions you do not support?

instead of responding directly to my statements with fact or corresponding information to debunk my statements.... you have chosen to be the narcissist and bordering on making it a personal issue. I'm glad I'm learning early in my membership here..... who the clowns are and who is worth engaging in adult conversation with LOL

 

[TheGardner]

What's everyone opinion on this?
http://overgrowcanada-sensiblebc.nationbuilder.com/free_cannabis_seeds
http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/bc-man-pledges-to-give-away-one-million-pot-seeds

 

[Mikell]

Conservative. What a surprise.

You have presented your opinion, and people respond. Some may take offence at your opinion. I take offence at your personality.

Sorry mate, this isn't 1950, times and values change.

Nice hat though.

 

[TheGardner]

Alright guys, keep this thread on track.

 

[EastCoastIndica]

I for one am watching this closely and waiting for Blair to do what they hired him for..... the enforcement side of punishing those that don't play along with whatever plan they cook up.

They didn't 'hire' Bill Blair. He retired as police chief of Toronto in April, won the Liberal nomination for the riding of Scarborough-Southwest in June. He was elected by the people of the riding of Scarborough-Southwest in the election in October, beating out the Conservative and NDP candidates. In January he was named one of two Parlimentary Secretary's to the Justice Minister. Several weeks later he was named by Trudeau to oversee the Pot Profile which entails overseeing Health Canada, Public Safety and the Provinces.

Just thought I should clear that up.

 

[Tynehead Tom]

an honest question for those who care to answer it without resorting to personal attacks.

are you comfortable having a guy like bill blair in charge of the profile, considering his track record and history as Toronto police chief? G20 is but one example.
Do you think this bodes well for the type of legalization that most Canadian cannabis users desire?

I would think an MP from the Vancouver area would have been a more appropriate candidate for the pot profile, considering BC's cultural history with marijuana and the famous "BC Bud"

anyways, I'm not here to argue or be personally attacked for expressing educated opinion so that'll be my last comment.
cheers

 

[bombadil.360]

Several weeks later he was named by Trudeau to oversee the Pot Profile which entails overseeing Health Canada, Public Safety and the Provinces.

Just thought I should clear that up.

you say "named" he says "hired"

semantics much?

this thread is funny though, people still believe in politicians... well, funny but sad...

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

They didn't 'hire' Bill Blair.

SO you are saying he isn't getting paid? Otherwise your point is moot, and also incorrect.

 

[EastCoastIndica]

you say "named" he says "hired"

semantics much?

this thread is funny though, people still believe in politicians... well, funny but sad...

SO you are saying he isn't getting paid? Otherwise your point is moot, and also incorrect.

I should have tried to explain my point better. You two are correct. What I was trying to get across I guess is in my mind when saying 'hired' it seems like they just hired him off the street for a job vacancy they had. In order to be named, hired, posted, given the Parlimentary Secretary to the Justice Minister he had to be elected as an Member of Parliament in his riding. And I'm sure he was given that Parlimentary Secretary post in order to be given the pot file, among the many files and responsibilities he'll have in that capacity, as well as representing his riding in the House of Commons.

As an MP he will make $167,400, which is what all MP's make.
Parlimentary Secretary's receive an additional $16,600 on top of MP pay.

He is also over seeing the 'Right to die' file: doctor assisted suicide. As well as numerous other files.

 

[Tynehead Tom]

I should have tried to explain my point better. You two are correct. What I was trying to get across I guess is in my mind when saying 'hired' it seems like they just hired him off the street for a job vacancy they had. In order to be named, hired, posted, given the Parlimentary Secretary to the Justice Minister he had to be elected as an Member of Parliament in his riding. And I'm sure he was given that Parlimentary Secretary post in order to be given the pot file, among the many files and responsibilities he'll have in that capacity, as well as representing his riding in the House of Commons.
As an MP he will make $167,400, which is what all MP's make.
Parlimentary Secretary's receive an additional $16,600 on top of MP pay.

He is also over seeing the 'Right to die' file: doctor assisted suicide. As well as numerous other files.

okay, but the question no one seems to want to answer is, looking at bill Blair's history, regardless of how he got the position , does his behavior during and after G20 not give every freedom loving hard working honest Canadian a disturbed feeling? Regardless of the party in charge and whether or not I like them or voted for them. Seeing a man like Blair appointed the positions he has been , gives this Canadian zero confidence in this government fulfilling it's election promise in any term. I know I'm not the only one who believes it was all a ruse and I'm not the only one who wished they never registered with health Canada for a personal medical grow.
judges may force the goverments hand, but they will not be forced willingly.


if you don't like what I type, fair enough, let's discuss, but I didn't type it to stir the pot or make anyone tilt. respond as you wish but do us all a favour and leave the insults out of it.

 

[Jhhnn]

I just wish our northern cousins the best of luck with this.

Our experience in CO is that limited & anonymous personal growing is a very important part of the deal. It grounds everything in reality. It hugely limits the authorities, changes the rules in a fundamental way. They'll need a lot more than the smell of pot to bust down anybody's door because that person might have a legal garden. That's why the anonymous part is so important. No registration, no fees, no nothing. No technicalities. We consent to nothing more than everybody else. Other than people dealing, reeking out the neighborhood, doing stupid shit, or very bad luck, Denver cops have no interest in truly small growers.

If what a person wants from growing is just plenty to smoke & to share then CO plant count limitations will readily provide it, anyway, even if you're not a great gardener.

Everybody should have it at least this good. It's worth fighting for.

 

[TheGardner]

So what do you guys think about this? The gov. isn't going to repeal the court decision, and is going to allow people under MMPR to grow
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-marijuana-medical-idUSKCN0WQ2F8

 

[EastCoastIndica]

okay, but the question no one seems to want to answer is, looking at bill Blair's history, regardless of how he got the position , does his behavior during and after G20 not give every freedom loving hard working honest Canadian a disturbed feeling? Regardless of the party in charge and whether or not I like them or voted for them. Seeing a man like Blair appointed the positions he has been , gives this Canadian zero confidence in this government fulfilling it's election promise in any term. I know I'm not the only one who believes it was all a ruse and I'm not the only one who wished they never registered with health Canada for a personal medical grow.
judges may force the goverments hand, but they will not be forced willingly.


if you don't like what I type, fair enough, let's discuss, but I didn't type it to stir the pot or make anyone tilt. respond as you wish but do us all a favour and leave the insults out of it.

I'm going to assume you have mistaken me for another poster as I haven't been disrespectful or insulting to anyone.

As a cannabis user I would love to see someone pro-pot handle the file but I also know that is highly unlikely. I can understand why someone like Blair was chosen, he gives balance to the process and when the 1000 groups against pot legalization start the law suits and try to use the courts to block it all, hopefully the process and people will have done a good enough job for the new laws to stand up in court. Same as when another party takes power, hopefully the process and laws will have been transparent enough that they will stand up in a court of law, instead of going back to square one or prohibition.

Pot will be legal before the next election. There is too much money at stake and too many provinces that are heavily in debt.

Home grows will be allowed, it's a drop in the bucket compared to all the money to be made from people who will buy it. Heck everyone I know is too lazy, busy, whatever and buy street weed and have no interest in growing their own.

As for me, something like Colorado's laws would be perfect, 6 plant count would work well for a lot of people. I only grow about 10 plants a year and that keeps me supplied and a lot left over to give away to my friends/family for free.

I am not trying to defend any one party, I was just trying to bring some factual information to a very unfactual thread. I actually lean more towards the NDP in my political views then Liberal, but Trudeau in my books is a heck of a lot better then the NDP leader Thomas Mulcair, the ex-Liberal Quebec Cabinet minister, caught trying to beg his way into a job with the Conservative Party who then ended up in the NDP and as NDP leader, sketchy if you ask me.

 

[Mikell]

The federal government said Canada's medical marijuana laws would be rewritten to reflect the court's judgment, setting a deadline of Aug. 24 to finalize the changes.

Mildly concerning, though who can judge until they release the new regulations.

Apologies for making personal attacks. I believe what I say but shouldn't let emotion/feeling detract from a discussion.

I don't care for Bill Blair's appointment for the same reasoning you've listed Tyne, but I'm a patient optimist (or pretend to be at times) and will await the outcome to really judge/celebrate/cry foul, as above.

Blair's appointment may be a nod to the RCMP, Trudeau seems fixed on having one of every colour and design at his side. He may well be fulfilling a mandate as opposed to leading by his own ideas/values.

Just spitballin'.

Time will tell.