transplanting and flowering same day?

[Maj.PotHead]

i dont think u guys seem to understand our argument. we arent saying that your plant will die or even suffer greatly. we are talking about what is optimum. you guys are presenting arguments like "i transplanted on the day i turned to 12/12 and look it grew roots" well no duh. we arent saying that you cant do it but that you will most likly see better results if you give the plant time to adjust to its new surroundings.

i do understand 110% myself and JJ are just tryn to say done correctly the plant wont notice been my experince. granted in the past ive made mistakes transplanting but ive learned to be careful. when i transplant in veg or even into flower my plants dont miss a beat. i agree with JJ and where not the only two that do this

 

[Odie-O]

i transplant in this method all the time.have yet to have any problems.
short and simple.

have fun

 

[Don Chocolate]

Thanks for all the replys guys!

I've never had transplant shock either. I've seen plants grow in new containers the day after transplant too.

MajPotHead thanks for the pics as proof. I feel a lot better about having to flip 'em at transplant.

 

[ChaoticEntity]

I run a perpetual, 3 set of 8-9 plants, they go from 6in pots under 250mh to 2gal pots under 1000hps(on a light rail), the roots fill out the container nicely. I've also ran 16 plants in one shot and transpanted them into 2gal pots and gave them a week under the HPS before I switched to 12/12. Same strain both times, no difference in yield, only difference was the extra week it took.

The question of optimal, well if you're being nitpicky and you have the space and time AND you've got the rest of the grow under perfect ideal conditions then you might notice a SMALL difference in final mass. This is also very very strain dependent, you think a 6 month sativa wont fill out every last inch? but a 7 week indica may not utilize the space.

Personally I think that with a sativa dominant strain, or basically anything that's finished around 8 weeks and stretches at least double won't have any issues transplanting and flowering right away. Strains that don't double in height and are indica dominant might not be getting the best of what you can offer.

Then again I've had indica leaning hybrids that finished in 7 weeks but just about doubled in height, I would probably use them in a transplant directly into flower scenerio, but just barely.

Each strain is going to have different vigor when transplanted. So if you're going to go for an indica dominant plant then it's probably best to give it a week or so in it's final container, if it's sativa dominant then I would venture to say that the difference will be minimal and it's a matter of being a perfectionist.

 

[Mr GreenJeans]

Just another pov... Root abuse is rule number one for bonsai, to keep them small, I've done a bunch of that and can compare to my 420 transplants. Roots are a lot heartier than folks think. If you remove the rootball from the pot in medium light ( definitely not under a HID lamp ) then the outer roots won't get stressed from high light levels. If the rootball is rootbound and the soil is a bit dry, it is relatively easy to get the whole rootball out undisturbed. Now this is a gamble because even in experienced hands sometimes the rootball gets separated or torn during the extraction. If the extraction is without trauma and the outside area is not exposed to a high lumen environment there is really minimal ( as in unnoticeable ) effect on the roots IME. Different story if the rootball gets munged somehow, of course then there is some recovery time ( IME worst case a month which can really put a dent in your flower period )

I have 3 examples in flower now. I had run a long veg cycle and the plants ended up more rootbound than I thought. I transplanted them, one of them had a funky rootmass that just fell apart in my hand, lost half the rootball, and the plant has suffered as a result ( it was LSTed and had many branches, now there is not enough root to support the leaf mass ), the other two came out in one solid mass, no issues, and like JJ's experience the plants continued to grow daily after the transplant.

Of course everyone has their secret sauce and methods, but if needed and care is exercised a transplant at the start of 12/12 can be done with minimum impact. Just don't mung up the rootball!

 

[barnyard]

i luv talking about stuff like this, thanks for sharing all...

i luv talking about stuff like this, thanks for sharing all...

for seed plants my routine is 4 week veg in 1\2 gallon grow bags ( veg 5 weeks when taking cutting for clones, gotta cut from at least node 5)

show sex in the 1/2 gallon containers then transplant into 2 gallon containers at 1 week flowering

take the bottom of the root ball and seperate all the roots and break it up a bit, then run your finger along the sides to break apart those roots, then remove the "extra" soil from the top until some roots are showing. This technique breaks up the compacted roots and "tops" them ~ just like the canopy! it gets double the number of roots growing

I like to see some exposed roots at the top of the soil during flowering ~ it looks cool, provides areation for the plant and assures that I'm taking advantage of all my available soil

when transplanting, work quickly and water immediately (fill the water can before working with an individual plant) - make sure the soil doesn't dry out the first week and you'll be good to go. The leaves will be a little droopy the first few days but then will perk up.

so D. Chocolate are you showing sex in 3 gallon containers, and then culling the males that you just transplanted? or are you working with clones?

peace out,
barn

 

[Wayzer]

for seed plants my routine is 4 week veg in 1\2 gallon grow bags ( veg 5 weeks when taking cutting for clones, gotta cut from at least node 5)

show sex in the 1/2 gallon containers then transplant into 2 gallon containers at 1 week flowering

take the bottom of the root ball and seperate all the roots and break it up a bit, then run your finger along the sides to break apart those roots, then remove the "extra" soil from the top until some roots are showing. This technique breaks up the compacted roots and "tops" them ~ just like the canopy! it gets double the number of roots growing

I like to see some exposed roots at the top of the soil during flowering ~ it looks cool, provides areation for the plant and assures that I'm taking advantage of all my available soil

when transplanting, work quickly and water immediately (fill the water can before working with an individual plant) - make sure the soil doesn't dry out the first week and you'll be good to go. The leaves will be a little droopy the first few days but then will perk up.

was about to post something similar, i do the exact same thing. brake up the rootboundednesss with my hands and sometimes a knife. when i transplant i have a soil mix with a bunch of additives including super phosphorus (0-0-20) and when transplating i use mychorizal, they work amazing together for accelerated and heavy rooting. of course as stated many times the effects of breaking up the roots vary from strain to strain, but i have found that most strains actualy enjoy this approach, in my experience.

transplanted and put to 12/12

 

[Don Chocolate]

barnyard I grow from seeds and I've just started cloning. I'm so new to cloning I haven't flowered any yet... but I got 5 healthy clones in veg almost ready! Recently I added a veg/dry space to try a small perpetual.