Traditional way of smoking Hashish in Egypt

[Mercer]

looks like hash resin on the cd cover...

 

[clubdrug]

omg that looks fucking amazing, especially that stoge at the end... its depressing though, i have no idea where to get hash and i dont have any bubble bags

 

[sMack-CFS!]

did you see how discolored the cd cover was? where do u think those fumes go?
braindamage. just like heated aluminum. you must feel really really far out after one of those Egyptian smokeups.

I tried smokin out of plastic once, made a g-bong out of a plastic milk carton, never again. it felt like the plastic melted to the back of my throat. gatorade bottles r the best for g-bongs

lol, are you retarded? No heat ever even touches the CD cover, its just the hash smoke resin built up on it. And how could a plastic gatorade bottle be any different than a plastic milk jug? If your gravities are burning plastic, then youre doing something wrong.

I love seeing new ways to smoke. Just when you thought youve seen em all, theres always someone with some crazy contraption youve never even heard of

 

[OG Royal Grower]

How cheap is that shitnit out there?
Peace,
OGRG

 

[budsicle]

awesome, i´ve used this method before except without the tobacco.. too bad u can´t do it with bud. and that hashish looks yummmy..

 

[mriko]

it is also said that there is no evidence that proves pot smokers used pipes of any description prior to the spread of tobacco through Europe, the Middle East and Africa (16th or 17th century)..with tobacco came pipes, then the pipes were used to ganja

hmm, nope nope ! pipe smoking PREDATE the introduction of Tobacco to Old World. in Lalibela, Ethiopia, two ceramic pipe bowls dating from around 1320 and containing cannabis residues were found. There's also another pipe bowls, pre-tobacco introduction from Liberia (no cannabinoids found in that one).

Here's a pic from Peshawar. this way of smoking is called Cheeta. you keep a guld of water in the mouth, then put a piece of hash on burning charcoal and inhale the smoke through the hollow reed. The smoke goes through the water kept in the mouth. that is very potent way of smoking for sure !

This is halfway between the Scythian way and today's hooka/narghile which most probably also have predated the introductionof tobacco.

Irie !

 

[GoodbyeBlueSky]

yeah, pretty cool...

haven't got around to it yet, but my goal is to press a piece of hashish into the shape of a hollow tube, like a straw, and smoking it like a joint/cigarette...

 

[Chamba]

ok, I might be wrong.....I've been wrong before!.....and I've hardly made any study of this..and I've got an open mind and I'm open to evidence!

so there is "some" evidence of pre-tobacco use of cannabis pipes.....but only 3 pipes in Africa!..... so it is hardly conclusive evidence that cannabis pipe use pre-dates the intro of tobac....... is that the only evidence there is?......if all we have are a few (3) very scattered remains of pipes with possible traces of cannabis residues......one would think that more pipes would of been found wouldn't you.....not just a few possible, isolated examples.

minor traces of tobacco were found with some of the Mummies too...but this was the only evidence of tobacco I am aware of outside Sth America prior to the Spanish invasions and spread of tobacco to the rest of the world....it's possible, probable or even likely that the traces of tobacco came from smokers who first dug up and handled the mummies.... that's if tobacco plant remains or other evidence has not been found elsewhere.....or has it?

based on the fact that out of all the different countries and cultures where cannabis plants were used for various purposes, grown or naturally occuring, and taking into consideration of my contamination theory about tobacco and the Mummies ....and with only 3 pipes found so far...I'd say the jury is still undecided if the use of pipes for cannabis smoking predates the introduction of tobacco to Africa, Middle East and Europe.

hashish & cannabis were probably eaten and in other places was thrown on coals and inhaled..perhaps with tents..cannabis oils could of been rubbed on skin...earth pipes would of been used....perhaps ganja was rolling in leaves and smoked too?..pipes..hmmm the evidence ( just 3 pipes) so far is sketchy

do you have any more evidence of pre-tobacco use of pipes for cannabis? I'd be interested to read it!..it's an interesting subject...perhaps I should Google it?

check out the Dunhill book of Pipes......an interesting book written in the 1920's with many dozens illustrations and descriptions of every type of pipe known from earth mound pipes to corn cobs to Sherlocks....Dunhill says tobacco pipes came first then ganja smokers used them.

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

it is also said that there is no evidence that proves pot smokers used pipes of any description prior to the spread of tobacco through Europe, the Middle East and Africa (16th or 17th century)..with tobacco came pipes, then the pipes were used to ganja

"In his study of Prehistoric Textile Art of Eastern United States (1891), Smithsonian Institute ethnologist W. H. Holmes showed that the ancient Mound-Builders utilized cannabis hemp. Hundreds of clay pipes, some containing cannabis residues and wrapped in hemp cloth, were found in the so-called Death Mask Mound of the Hopewell Mound Builders who lived circa 400 BC in modern Ohio. At one site in Morgan County, Tennessee, Holmes recovered large pieces of hemp fabric”

http://www.rexresearch.com/hhist/hhicon~1.htm

 

[glock23]

Paz, you're a wealth of rare information man!

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

lol mr. glock, i am a geek . much peace man

 

[Chamba]

if there was hemp cloth and pipes with cannabis residues in Nth America...were there cannabis plants growing in that area?....if so what happened to these plants?.......as there has been no mention of any cannabis plants found growing in north or south America prior to the Spanish arrival.

did it die out?...that's unlikely as it readily goes feral as seen when the US reintroduced hemp in the 40's for a short time...decendants of those same hemp crops are growing along creeks and highways in the US today and cant be eradicated.

or was cannabis not grown in the US at all until the whites invaded and the evidence of hemp cloth and smoking cannabis was brought in by trading ships from outside the US where hemp/cannabis grows naturally and was traded for skins etc with the native Americans?

was it hemp cloth...or something similar?......I've read studies about digs and they don't actually get to lift up a few yards of hemp cloth and say..."hey, look what I discovered, here's a roll of hemp cloth!"..as it is all rotted away, what they do find is the impression the cloth made and that impression is interpreted as being hemp cloth by the pattern of the fibers.

 

[Chamba]

it is difficult to get to the bottom of this ...as I read on Icmag recently, since Raygun was Pres, the US has killed any cannabis studies that are in any way that don't show cannabis to be evil and harmful, actively suppressed funding for anything to do with pro-cannabis research while throwing millions at any scientist or researcher who can "prove" cannabis kills or harms!

it is also likely that the US Anti-Pot fascists would do the same to suppress proof that cannabis was used in the US hundreds of years prior to the white man arriving to prevent this fact from being used as an argument for cannabis acceptance, normalization, relegalization and once again widespread use for medicinal and recreational purposes

I think this subject would make an excellent article for an upcoming Icmag issue..providing it was unbiased and equally showed theories/views/evidence etc from both sides of the discussion

 

[cannable]

nice polaris.. i know its an old post.. but.. you do any growing out there man?

 

[Chamba]

Paz, you're a wealth of rare information man!

yes, however selective that may be!..lol...

lets face it. if we are being one-eyed in our desire to believe and disregard opposing evidence or proof, are we no better or less credible than the current bunch of lying, schemeing, spin doctoring, bribing, maniac, anti pot, Puritans in power now?

here's another quote from the same link

Some authorities have identified "wild hemp" as wood nettle (Laportea canadensis) or Indian hemp (Apocynum cannabinum). True hemp (Cannabis sativa) did not become a formally recognized member of North American flora until 1606, when it was imported from Europe and introduced at Port Royal, Nova Scotia by Louis Hebert, who was Samuel Champlain's apothecary and botanist.

http://www.rexresearch.com/hhist/hhist2~1.htm

 

[Chamba]

here's another quote from the same article

it shows that America's war on pot began long before Anslinger

Some of the Massachusetts colonists, led by Thomas Morton, established the Merry Mount trading settlement, where they smoked hemp in the peace pipe with natives. They held bonfire parties that eventually enraged the Puritans, who burned down the outpost and sent Morton to an English prison, where he wrote of his experiences in New England Canaan.

 

[mriko]

so there is "some" evidence of pre-tobacco use of cannabis pipes.....but only 3 pipes in Africa!..... so it is hardly conclusive evidence that cannabis pipe use pre-dates the intro of tobac....... is that the only evidence there is?......if all we have are a few (3) very scattered remains of pipes with possible traces of cannabis residues......one would think that more pipes would of been found wouldn't you.....not just a few possible, isolated examples.

considering that the pipe bowls (coming from waterpipes) are dated from around 1320, then yes it is evidence that pipes were used before the introduction of tobacco/and american pipes to old world.
and it's not about "possible" trace of cannabinoids, it's about identified traces.

minor traces of tobacco were found with some of the Mummies too...but this was the only evidence of tobacco I am aware of outside Sth America prior to the Spanish invasions and spread of tobacco to the rest of the world....it's possible, probable or even likely that the traces of tobacco came from smokers who first dug up and handled the mummies.... that's if tobacco plant remains or other evidence has not been found elsewhere.....or has it?

Right, into egyptian mummies have been found nicotine, cocaine, and thc. Tobacco fibers have been found also on Ramses II mummy. Subsequent analysis of one of these egyptian mummy found out that the origin of the nicotine and cocaine found in body tissues were from oral consumption, thc was from inhaled material.
Traces nicotine have also been found in mummy from Austria, Germany, and China (ranging on a very long time period), with such amount of the compounds that it could only be the sign of a heavy use throughout the life.

hmmm the evidence ( just 3 pipes) so far is sketchy

Hey, it's not because I am talking about 3 pipes that only three pipes have been found. This study I talk about is old one, from early 70s. I am not aware of all the archeological surveys going in Africa... but definitely more pipes have been found.

check out the Dunhill book of Pipes......an interesting book written in the 1920's with many dozens illustrations and descriptions of every type of pipe known from earth mound pipes to corn cobs to Sherlocks....Dunhill says tobacco pipes came first then ganja smokers used them

Funny you talk about Dunhill, for he is one of the researcher who claim that Narghile has African roots (Cheeta use as well is found in Africa).

Anyway, NO ONE knows for sure. But it is highly evident that pipe smoking was in use much before the "post-colombus" europeans discovered the use of Tobacco in Latin america. Who knows, maybe pipe smoking was introduced to Americas by trans-Bering or trans-atlantic travellers haha hmm ? everything is possible !



Irie !

 

[mriko]

The mysterious origin of narghile


Several hypotheses on the birthplace of narghile must be taken into account. They concern Europe, America, India, Persia and Africa. Those who try hard to write the official history of tobacco mention an American origin for the latter and a European one for the transmission of its use modes, as the common pipe, the chibouque or even narghile. Such an argument states that the Europeans would have taught Asian and African peoples how to smoke, particularly through the pipe. A consequence is that cannabis would have been inhaled, neither in Europe, nor in Africa, nor anywhere else, before the arrival of tobacco.

The hypothesis of an American origin arose from the crossing of speculations on ways tobacco was used through gourds in America and from deep studies as those conducted at the beginning of the century by a scholar named L. Wiener. The latter asserted that tobacco smoking would have been imported from America to Africa several centuries before the arrival of Europeans. I. Van Sertima enriched such a contribution by endeavouring, in his turn, to show that African men certainly lived in America before the discovery of this last continent and brought to theirs smoking behaviours like the use of pipes.

The Indian (Asia) track lacks sources. So, here, let us restrict ourselves to quote only two authors without proceeding with the discussion. J. A. Frank freely asserts that "two thousand years before the discovery of tobacco, it seems that a water pipe called Dhoom Netra, filled with aromatic and medicinal herbs, and also very probably with drugs, was smoked". G.Gercek states, without supporting facts, that narghile was born in India and that the artefact benefited from the addition of innovative elements as the bowl and the nozzle when it reached the Ottoman Empire.

The Persian origin is particularly upheld by B.M. Du Toit through ethnographical surveys in southern Africa. The researcher was interested in the origin of dagga (cannabis) and repeatedly reports the use of the "dakka" water pipe. From contemporary Iran, a researcher named Hasan Semsar ascribes the invention of narghile to the "Persian genius", ex-nihilo, without providing with more details on the emergence of such an innovation in smoking manners.
The possibility of an African origin for narghile has been submitted by specialists as A. Dunhill and J.E. Philips. The first of both considers the "dakka" water pipe used by the "Hottentots" (Khoikhoin), living in the South of the continent, as the precursor of narghile. As for the second scholar, his research was based on a detailed and technical discussion, particularly about undertaken excavations and dating problems posed at Hyrax Hill in Kenya, Sebanzi in Zambia, Engaruka in Tanzania and in other places of the African continent.

To sum up, the social use of narghile, on a large-scale, can be fixed as simultaneous with the emergence of the public coffee-house and the adoption of tobacco. Today, the hypotheses we have kept, on account of their pertinence and relevance, ascribe a South African, Ethiopian or Persian origin to the pipe. A European origin is also defended by historians of tobacco. These last ones consider that narghile would be a form adopted by the American pipe in the Mediterranean region, in Africa or in Asia, after the spreading of the latter by the Europeans in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. Should they continue in a systematic way, the archaeological excavations undertaken here and there in southern and oriental Africa throughout the twentieth century, could indeed come up with the definitive evidence of the use of water pipes on this continent well before the critical and symbolic threshold year 1600 represents for the upholders of the European hypothesis. The case of this Ethiopian cave where water pipe bowls were discovered, and where the smoked use of cannabis in the fourteenth century has been confirmed by chemical methods, undoubtedly constitutes a step forward.

from http://www.sacrednarghile.com/narghile/en/mystery.html

Irie !

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

...lets face it. if we are being one-eyed in our desire to believe and disregard opposing evidence or proof, are we no better or less credible than the current bunch of lying, schemeing, spin doctoring, bribing, maniac, anti pot, Puritans in power now?

here's another quote from the same link

Some authorities have identified "wild hemp" as wood nettle (Laportea canadensis) or Indian hemp (Apocynum cannabinum). True hemp (Cannabis sativa) did not become a formally recognized member of North American flora until 1606, when it was imported from Europe and introduced at Port Royal, Nova Scotia by Louis Hebert, who was Samuel Champlain's apothecary and botanist.

http://www.rexresearch.com/hhist/hhist2~1.htm

Hello Chamba,

that account you quote from the link i had provided is the telling of the 'official' tale of how cannabis was supposed to have entered the north american continent. however, it is not the historical account according to the same author, but rather, the account as 'official history' with all its agendas regards it.

in the post where i first introduced information from that book, i had also provided information comming from spaniards' reports as early as the 1600s where mention of marijuana spliffs was already being done and explained as a rarity for the spaniards; this tells us it was not them who introduced the practice to begin with...

much love and peace.

 

[Chamba]

Mriko everything is possible !

it certainly is!

Paz much love and peace.

and peace to you too!