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ok fuhk the first one, let's stick to the comics.
I mis typed in the original post as marital law and laffed myself stupid 
hy bro merry xmas.not sure so I had to google, I think its martial though ..
but right enough, I agree that that particular incident won't have any baring on coffeeshop policy and as you say the Dutch populus in general won't take kindly to politicians medling in what has become the most successful drugs legislation in the known world. Some of you reading this from outside of the netherlands might be surprised to know that most Dutch kids arent the slightest bit interested in drugs and getting high..(generally speaking I mean, I also know plenty of Dutch stoners
Anyways Jack, I sincerely hope you're right mate and that things will continue to continue for many years to come (read indefintely)
merry christmas btw
so the facts:
The Netherlands has:
a.) one of the lowest violent crime rates in europe.
b.) one of the lowest % of population addicted to heroin or similar hard drugs in europe.
c.) one of the lowest % of population that smoke cannabis in europe
its not really cool to get stoned at school over here, most people will actually laugh at you for getting high during school. kids dont sell weed at school. kids dont go to school to buy drugs in holland.
and then compare france or uk or germany with their strict drug laws. and remember these are our neighbors.
a.) france, germany and the uk have the highest % of population addicted to heroin in europe. (or other harddrugs)
b.) all three have highest drug related crime rates in europe
c.) france, germany and the uk have the highest % of population that smoke cannabis in europe.
the big problem in these countries is that kids go to school to buy drugs......and, the guy who sells coke and heroin, is also the guy that sells weed. so they come into contact with hard drugs even if they just want some weed, they WILL get offered other stuff and brown is ussually cheaper than green.
sad stuff, but true.
this info is from united nations and european union drug reports published around 2005, 2006, 2007....
I don't like it much (I'm from the uk originally) but that's my experiance of things too... on every level...
I've even met people who came to Amsterdam/The Netherlands to successfully quit hard drugs... which again.. if you don't know the place, sounds insane
I love my country, but for the sake of my kids, I'm glad I live here...
I've even met people who came to Amsterdam/The Netherlands to successfully quit hard drugs... which again.. if you don't know the place, sounds insane
I love my country, but for the sake of my kids, I'm glad I live here...
T
tonto
^^^netherlands was also voted the best place to raise kids.
back to the original post, its all the border towns that have problems due to all the french and germans students.
id say that they'll raise the age limit for buying, a long time before they ban it completely, anyway its a recession, they need the cash.
back to the original post, its all the border towns that have problems due to all the french and germans students.
id say that they'll raise the age limit for buying, a long time before they ban it completely, anyway its a recession, they need the cash.
Well it works both ways,,
In the UK kids walk to school and sell cannabis to their friends. In Holland kids walk to school past crack-heads hanging on corners - still out from the night before.
It is 100 times easier to score hard-drugs in Amsterdam on the straat then it is in London, Paris, or Berlin. Fact.
Ask anyone that has been to Amsterdam,, who've sat and watched those 'dutch street dealers' selling class A narcotics to under 16s on warmoesstraat on a Saturday morning, round the block to the De Boers building where people smoke off coke-cans infront of policemen.
If centrum was so chilled, people wouldn't need to employ doormen to mind their coffeeshops.
N.B. I'm not hating on Amsterdam or coffeeshops,, just being objective,, personally we love the place and would settle for a similar coffeeshop system over here. We just need a plan to help rehabilitate the bag-heads first
Peace n flowers Jack
One love
dLeaf
In the UK kids walk to school and sell cannabis to their friends. In Holland kids walk to school past crack-heads hanging on corners - still out from the night before.
It is 100 times easier to score hard-drugs in Amsterdam on the straat then it is in London, Paris, or Berlin. Fact.
Ask anyone that has been to Amsterdam,, who've sat and watched those 'dutch street dealers' selling class A narcotics to under 16s on warmoesstraat on a Saturday morning, round the block to the De Boers building where people smoke off coke-cans infront of policemen.
If centrum was so chilled, people wouldn't need to employ doormen to mind their coffeeshops.
N.B. I'm not hating on Amsterdam or coffeeshops,, just being objective,, personally we love the place and would settle for a similar coffeeshop system over here. We just need a plan to help rehabilitate the bag-heads first
Peace n flowers Jack
One love
dLeaf
To add,, sorry about the english idiots (i'm an englishman),, that come to Amsterdam (in england shirts) just to get drunk, act rawdy, and throw up after smoking a spliff. They don't represent us.
Those sort of tourists shouldn't be welcome in Amsterdam, let alone coffeeshops!
May be that's the reason you need doormen.. lol
Peace peace peace
Those sort of tourists shouldn't be welcome in Amsterdam, let alone coffeeshops!
May be that's the reason you need doormen.. lol
Peace peace peace
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This may be true, I wouldnt know since I havent been to London, Paris or Berlin. But I know most of that shit they sell in the redlight isnt real drugs its just a fake knockoff scam. Most of the coke is Novocain. We bought it for my friend who had a horrible tooth ache on the last trip.
Its easier to score quality hard drugs in Oslo on the street then in Amsterdam is my experience. But then again, Oslo is pretty bad.
For the record, I have no other habits then my toking, I rarely even touch the beer.
peace all.
The volume/number of tourists visiting coffeeshops these days has overloaded the system and taken its toll on the erb quality in places... saying that many of the stag-parties now go to eastern europe every weekend to get drunk and smoke hash,, so hopefully Amsterdam can blend back to how we remember it best.
Too many apples overloads the cart and the carthorse soon becomes weary
Too many apples overloads the cart and the carthorse soon becomes weary
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are you serious?
This doesnt really happen in real life, mate...
I thnk you're judging a whole country by the standard of the red light district in one city.. and to my mind probably the shittiest part of the entire country, you dont think theres crack heads at kings cross in the morning?
I would have to travel on a bus to find the nearest crackhead... but I dont live in the redlight distrct... no one does, cept maybe crackheads and tourists...lol
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Well it works both ways,,
In the UK kids walk to school and sell cannabis to their friends. In Holland kids walk to school past crack-heads hanging on corners - still out from the night before.
It is 100 times easier to score hard-drugs in Amsterdam on the straat then it is in London, Paris, or Berlin. Fact.
Ask anyone that has been to Amsterdam,, who've sat and watched those 'dutch street dealers' selling class A narcotics to under 16s on warmoesstraat on a Saturday morning, round the block to the De Boers building where people smoke off coke-cans infront of policemen.
If centrum was so chilled, people wouldn't need to employ doormen to mind their coffeeshops.
N.B. I'm not hating on Amsterdam or coffeeshops,, just being objective,, personally we love the place and would settle for a similar coffeeshop system over here. We just need a plan to help rehabilitate the bag-heads first
Peace n flowers Jack
One love
dLeaf
Good post but not completely true. Yes if your kid goes to school in the red-light district he might walk by some crack heads. problem is there are no schools in that area, so its unlikely your kid walks by crack heads there.
in the red-light, i agree there are a lot of crappy dealers, mainly selling fake stuff to tourists. you will not catch a dutch person buying drugs from those punks unless he's a complete crack head himself or has never been to amsterdam and is looking for crack. they stand there cause tourists look for those drugs unfortunately..
centrum employs doormen mainly for the drunk football holigans, AGE LIMIT and also for the occasional crack head...damn, the greenhouse is closed on nye just because of all the alcohol and fireworks.
so i agree with some of your post. but NOT about kids walking past crack heads to go to school. thats not true. If you go to any part of amsterdam outside the red-light, you will not find guys on the corner saying pssssssss pssssssst xtc, coke, viagra. this happens around the area of central station and red-light, but these guys do not hang around schools or other areas of the city. no way.
and the whole reason they are closing down coffeeshops in that area is because of those crack heads there.
I have to say that when i was in London, i was looking to get some Weed at kings cross and all i could find was heroin. heroin was easy to score, weed was impossible to find.
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are you serious?
This doesnt really happen in real life, mate...
I thnk you're judging a whole country by the standard of the red light district in one city.. and to my mind probably the shittiest part of the entire country, you dont think theres crack heads at kings cross in the morning?
I would have to travel on a bus to find the nearest crackhead... but I dont live in the redlight distrct... no one does, cept maybe crackheads and tourists...lol
yeah, again, that's not true, kids dont walk around that 1 area of holland to go to school.
4real. Centrum is the area that most visitors to NL first encounter. We've seen kids cycling to school loads of time in Amsterdam (so have you) and we've definitely seen dutch kids scoring off street junkies on the weekends. The main difference is that at King's Cross the junkies would be arrested and the kids get taken home! As Howard Marks once put it "tolerance might just be mistaken for not giving a ****. It's also legal to shag a dog in a park in Holland,, not particularly something we'd encourage over here".
source : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYpqRXxHIWE
The doormen put us off to be honest Jack. Typically places that need to employ door-staff have an aggressive undertone,, which makes the whole smoking in Amsterdam experience far less relaxed and appealing. We guess the security mainly prevents those street folk from coming in and clearing the tables for spillages like they used to
Cleaning up the red-light area has ultimately had a negative effect by pushing the pushers all the way out to Museum Plein and beyond.
To reiterate,, i'm not hating on Holland,, just saying it as we see it. Amsterdam is much cleaner than it was during the 1990s when needle-heads were far more common. Now Amsterdam just needs to face up to the coke can epidemic that is currently happening on straat over there.
To add,, Wernard's idea that coffeeshops in future will be formed on the basis of a 'constitutional club' seems the most logical way forward if smokers in Amsterdam want to retain their rights as smokers...
.. all for a free smoke and a game of table football.
Peace n flowers
It doesn't. Neither does King's Cross or the Champs Elysees. It's just that as 'tourists' these are the first places we encounter... and so the images and our experiences stay with us.
I fully understand that Christian dominant areas of the Netherlands are anti-cannabis and that Amsterdam doesn't represent the whole nation
At 5euro a milkshake (that's 4.50 kids) even our Dutch friends in Amsterdam dont feel welcome in a coffeeshop environment anymore!
peace peace peace
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It doesn't sound like you spent much time in Holland doc, you're way off on a lot of things, sorry to say. Compared to the average UK city, Holland is a frigging paradise
Good example, Amsterdam is a similar size to Bradford, they have similarly mixed ethnic populations, people from all over the world live in both. I lived in Bradford for many years, it's one of the biggest shitholes on the planet, riddled with hard drugs, underage street hookers and violent criminals, many parts of Bradford are very dangerous to walk around if your face isn't known. It's a hugely divided place along racial grounds and features frequent racial violence. Amsterdam by comparison is very integrated racially and is pretty safe to walk almost anywhere.
Disneydam is for tourists, it's a ganja/porn theme park and if you think Warmostraat now is sleazy, you can't have been to Soho in the 70s or 80s, Soho used to be filthy, everything was dirty, rundown, pimps, hookers and drug dealers on every corner. Warmoestraat hasn't been liked that in a very long time, Amsterdam being 10x cleaner and civilised than London.
Dutch kids are shooting each other either, the Uk is a mess and we could learn a few things from the Dutch, they are civilised, we are barbarians.
Good example, Amsterdam is a similar size to Bradford, they have similarly mixed ethnic populations, people from all over the world live in both. I lived in Bradford for many years, it's one of the biggest shitholes on the planet, riddled with hard drugs, underage street hookers and violent criminals, many parts of Bradford are very dangerous to walk around if your face isn't known. It's a hugely divided place along racial grounds and features frequent racial violence. Amsterdam by comparison is very integrated racially and is pretty safe to walk almost anywhere.
Disneydam is for tourists, it's a ganja/porn theme park and if you think Warmostraat now is sleazy, you can't have been to Soho in the 70s or 80s, Soho used to be filthy, everything was dirty, rundown, pimps, hookers and drug dealers on every corner. Warmoestraat hasn't been liked that in a very long time, Amsterdam being 10x cleaner and civilised than London.
Dutch kids are shooting each other either, the Uk is a mess and we could learn a few things from the Dutch, they are civilised, we are barbarians.
...did you mean "aren't" shooting each other indifferent?
I have been in the Netherlands for a total of about 100 days in the
last 4 years. Most of this time was spent in Amsterdam, but I also
spent a week living in Haarlem and a week in Rotterdam.
During this time I had "zero" problems anywhere, and didn't see
anything except a few fights and obviously the "drug dealers" in the
RLD and on Nieuwendijk street near Central Station selling hard drugs.
Even these guys, they said what they were selling once and that
was it, they never bothered anyone if they didn't want to buy
something from them.
And I lived on Nieuwendijk street near Central Station for a month
in October/November 2009.
Plus, all the coffeeshops that I ever visited (many) during these
100 days spent in the Netherlands, I have never been treated
in some way that made me feel uncomfortable.
Yes, maybe I wasn't treated like their best friend or something, but
I have never seen or heard anything like many folks write in the many
travel logues that I read in the forums about Amsterdam.
Taking into account, I think that the "negative" things that happen
in the Netherlands are more the "exception" than the "norm," even in
the Red Light District.
And, I have walked through Amsterdam 4-6 in the morning from
Ledseplein to Nieuwindijk many, many times, and not one time have
I ever felt unsafe or experienced a situation where there was any
kind of threat to my well-being.
I think the Dutch have done an amazing job with Amsterdam, making
it safe, and such a pleasure to visit, even with the outrageous
amounts of visitors that it gets on a regular basis. I think other
countries have a lot to learn from these people.
later, southflorida
so south florida, i take it you did not move to the netherlands and you are back home. i live in the rld and never have a problem, lots of nice people live in this area. and compared to when i got here it has gotten much better concerning the pushers, crackheads and just plain crazy people.
Yes, Mr. Haze, and for now only plan on visiting NL during vacations,
and in the future, if the $$$ allows will think about moving there,
because I really like Amsterdam and Haarlem, and would love to
live in either of these locations.
See you during the icmag cup 420 in the GH United!!!
later, southflorida
