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Getting into the spirit of the season.
Listening to some of our favorite holiday tunes while prepping up the suet pudding,
veggies for the crudites and oyster stew, along with the various kitchen activities of the day.

Tunes to launch it off:

We saw TSO live a few years back, what an amazingly moving show!


Not religious but this one never fails to move ones spirit.
Chose a short version of a flash mob rather than a 2hr. concert :)


2 of our generations instant Christmas classics (gone yet never forgotten) :


Love one another each and every day. Love really is the only option to end war/ hatred.

 
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lol 3B's, look @ the way the insulation appears to be hugging your new tent, that's a perfect illustration of Love in action!:kiss:
 
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Sure is different that the open closet. Completely cured the low humidify issue and the sucking in cold air from the unused room. It still runs cool but the fan is on all the time. Under the insulation on top it was reading 80F but inside is only 67F by the plants. I rearranged the fans inside and put a layer of reflective bubble wrap under the fiberglass. The tent is designed for the typical 2x8 US closet and fit perfect under the clothes hanger rod used as a hanger for the fan and duct work. Even pulled the fan up high enough to be completely suspended and out of the tent. It was a Win Win.
 
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Engine analyzer presented 8 codes; EVERY ONE OF THEM related to a ground short.

So, on the bright side, it's not an injector, fuel pressure regulator, ECM, etc., necessarily, but definitely electrical, and severe enough to cause intermittent disruption to the entire ignition system (and more?).

My younger son's about 3/4 of the way through checking for continuity at the numerous fittings and junctures on the wiring harness.

If a new harness is required, then I'll either need to score a lucky break finding one through a vintage parts outlet or in good shape through a recycler's or engage in the incredibly tedious project of fabricating and weather-proofing a new harness from bits and pieces. The thing's only a 2008, and the manufacturer (typical of corporate reality) began making many parts obsolete/'no longer available' a few years ago. The harness is apparently one of those. Helps fill up the landfill, I guess, and to generate new income, due to folks throwing stuff out that would be perfectly serviceable, had the manufacturer not chosen to discontinue necessary parts.

Bastards!!

Either way, I suspect this temporary reprieve is welcomed by the caribou in the 40-Mile Herd.

Time to wrap some wild-caught sea scallops in bacon, steam some black rice, and re-heat some Brussels sprouts.

Tomorrow is wild rice, giblet, and oyster-stuffed young organic (Canadian) duck, Brussels sprouts, sweet potatoes, giblet gravy, mashed potatoes, homemade (granny smith) apple cream cheese pie, Nanaimo bars, and maybe some homemade cranberry sauce.
 
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Never crossed my mind that a bad spark could be behind the poor burn. Too much Christmas cheer :)
If you don't see it, post up the eight. I'm really not as bad as I'm making myself look :)

A ground issue that doesn't blow a fuse, is probably a ground issue where the ground is expected. Such as timing sensors. If it's biased towards one cylinder though, then the coilpack or any device between the coils and ECU is a good start. If temperature plays a big part, the coils are a strong possibility as thermal expansion often effects older ones. Which can make finding them when cold a problem. That could mean better when hot, or better when cold, with a crap bit in the middle.

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Fiberglass can't be broken down in your lungs, and as such causes asbestosis. They can't ban it though, as it would be impractical. The nature of this install (it moves) poses a risk that's just not worth it. Mask up and bag it. Vacuum with a hepa fitted device. If you have flowering plants in there.. chuck them. Then cover the tent with bedding, in this instance.
 
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f-e said:
Never crossed my mind that a bad spark could be behind the poor burn. Too much Christmas cheer :)
If you don't see it, post up the eight. I'm really not as bad as I'm making myself look :)

A ground issue that doesn't blow a fuse, is probably a ground issue where the ground is expected. Such as timing sensors. If it's biased towards one cylinder though, then the coilpack or any device between the coils and ECU is a good start. If temperature plays a big part, the coils are a strong possibility as thermal expansion often effects older ones. Which can make finding them when cold a problem. That could mean better when hot, or better when cold, with a crap bit in the middle.
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Wellllll ... All codes were cleared, and junctions in the harness pretty thoroughly checked out for conductivity/continuity/resistance, and then it was taken on another reasonably lengthy ride, during which it crapped out again, then restarted again. Then it was taken back to the analyzer, and the ONE f'ing code that popped (don't have the code reference number here in front of me) indicated it was a short at the ... fuel pump... Retails locally for a bit over $650 USD, I think.

Local Ski Doo shop guru indicated the code in reference is often thrown by these machines when the fuel pump is going belly-up.

So... it's not conclusive yet at this point, but the previous 8 codes that were deleted before the last test run were all at least 200 hours old, and the one re. the ground fault short at the fuel pump was current, as in tonight, and was the ONLY code that popped (3 times) over the course of 15 minutes.

The plot thickens.

If this is indeed the culprit, it would make sense that an intermittent, difficult at times to spot, decrease in fuel pressure (which didn't show up on the test runs with the pressure testing equipment yesterday, mind you) might cause the cylinder furthest from the fuel pump to burn lean, while the cylinder nearest the pump, if suffering brief lower pressure, might well receive a reduced efficiency in the spray pattern, less atomization of fuel, and the resulting -APPEARANCE- of excess fuel (dark sediment on the rear plug electrode), due to the fuel in that moment more or less getting dumped in under reduced pressure.

Another day, another distance closer to a solution. And the caribou are still applauding our difficulties with this machine, I'm sure.

Sea scallops wrapped in bacon were tasty (bacon being a class 1 carcinogen :( ). The organic black rice has a noteworthy dense starchy texture to it. Very nice stuff. The more common or plain apple pie's awesome. Very little of which suits my cancer diet. But it's Christmas, and if a person can't mess up their diet on Christmas, then... what's the world come to?
 
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650$ for a pump??
I guess it will be getting modified to take a 50$ one then. Perhaps the Walbro site can offer an alternative. Nothing should be using a pump that expensive.

Got any model/part numbers? I have retrofitted different pumps in things before. Usually in a big tank with external FPR, but it can't be 'that' special.

I wouldn't mind looking at a diagram, to see how a short could loose pressure but not a fuse.
 
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f-e said:
650$ for a pump??
I guess it will be getting modified to take a 50$ one then. Perhaps the Walbro site can offer an alternative. Nothing should be using a pump that expensive.

Got any model/part numbers? I have retrofitted different pumps in things before. Usually in a big tank with external FPR, but it can't be 'that' special.

I wouldn't mind looking at a diagram, to see how a short could loose pressure but not a fuse.
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My understanding is that the 'ground short' code is somewhat erroneous in this particular case, and a common code when these pumps fail, or, more accurately, when they -begin- to fail.

I won't be apt to be paying the $650 MSRP, if I can help it. "Knowing high people in low places," and all of that. I'm likely to get it substantially cheaper than that, once we confirm it's the culprit. :)

The pump for that MSRP, by the way, includes the pump, hose fittings, intakes (x2, as it has 2 pick-ups in the tank), (I think) the regulator, etc.

Walbro does, in fact, make a variety of suitable pumps (not the entire fuel pump assembly, mind you, but just the pump. I think (but can't recall for certain right now) that Delphi makes some, and there are other sources, such as 'All Balls'.

The older fuel pump assembly number I have here is a Ski Doo/Bombardier part number, but when I paste the part number here, it takes me to the wrong part, so here's the page link for Skidoo's fuel system diagram: 2008 Ski-Doo Expedition TUV V800 Fuel System | Xtreme Powersports (skidooparts.com)

If you go to this page, and instead of buying the fuel pump assembly as a single item, instead buying items 6 through 10 on the diagram, the price comes out to (I think) over $800 USD.

I believe I can get the entire pump assembly for about $540, and perhaps a touch less. Which, locally, is a -screaming- deal.

Versus one of the mid-range Walbro pumps (but just the pump) for this at $100 USD: Genuine Walbro EFI Fuel Pump Ski-Doo Expedition V-800 (TUV 4-TEC) EFI 2007 2008 2009, Skidoo GSC404 (highflowfuel.com)

Just almost always been a stickler for OEM parts, assuming the company and parts in question have proven themselves.

This particular machine has nearly 8,000 miles on the 4-cycle engine and was previously used to groom trails for a major sled dog race in Southcentral Alaska.

And I've nearly ALWAYS had a certain amount of hesitation toward accepting that an electrical fuel pump should ever be submerged in seriously flammable liquids, but that's me, and my healthy caution re. shorts and flammables.
 
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moose eater said:
My understanding is that the 'ground short' code is somewhat erroneous in this particular case, and a common code when these pumps fail, or, more accurately, when they -begin- to fail.

I won't be apt to be paying the $650 MSRP, if I can help it. "Knowing high people in low places," and all of that. I'm likely to get it substantially cheaper than that, once we confirm it's the culprit. :)

The pump for that MSRP, by the way, includes the pump, hose fittings, intakes (x2, as it has 2 pick-ups in the tank), (I think) the regulator, etc.

Walbro does, in fact, make a variety of suitable pumps (not the entire fuel pump assembly, mind you, but just the pump. I think (but can't recall for certain right now) that Delphi makes some, and there are other sources, such as 'All Balls'.

The older fuel pump assembly number I have here is a Ski Doo/Bombardier part number, but when I paste the part number here, it takes me to the wrong part, so here's the page link for Skidoo's fuel system diagram: 2008 Ski-Doo Expedition TUV V800 Fuel System | Xtreme Powersports (skidooparts.com)

If you go to this page, and instead of buying the fuel pump assembly as a single item, instead buying items 6 through 10 on the diagram, the price comes out to (I think) over $800 USD.

I believe I can get the entire pump assembly for about $540, and perhaps a touch less. Which, locally, is a -screaming- deal.

Versus one of the mid-range Walbro pumps (but just the pump) for this at $100 USD: Genuine Walbro EFI Fuel Pump Ski-Doo Expedition V-800 (TUV 4-TEC) EFI 2007 2008 2009, Skidoo GSC404 (highflowfuel.com)

Just almost always been a stickler for OEM parts, assuming the company and parts in question have proven themselves.

This particular machine has nearly 8,000 miles on the 4-cycle engine and was previously used to groom trails for a major sled dog race in Southcentral Alaska.

And I've nearly ALWAYS had a certain amount of hesitation toward accepting that an electrical fuel pump should ever be submerged in seriously flammable liquids, but that's me, and my healthy caution re. shorts and flammables.
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Oh wow. I'm feeling highly objectionable towards that pricing. The pickup part is half the expenditure, and it's just nothing.
I would have to have it all out at this mileage. I wonder if the pump is actually stalling due to debris, as apposed to needing replacement. Which for me would be a Walbro, as that can't be a downgrade.
The delivery tubing (fuel line) is a bit mystical. One pipe goes from pump to two places, but can't. I guess it could be either and the 20$ hose (13) links them. What is in the middle of that through, where arrow 12 points. Fuel filter?
It's unfortunate the diagnosis is so weak. Like a ripple in pump current is what they are actually seeing. Which doesn't actually mean pump, but does a good job of narrowing it down. Though you had fuel pressure in mind already.

I have never felt comfortable putting pumps and wiring connectors in the tank. I just realised I didn't see the fuel level sensor, which troubles me equally. The idea is you can't burn fuel without air. I'm sure I can see air though. It's like, I just had the tank open fitting it, how is there not enough air. It's troubling.

I guess changing the lot for 500$ isn't the end of the world, if you just want it fixed to use it. I have chucked money as problems just to make them go away at times. It's all about the greater good. If you need it tomorrow, then you don't have time to even look at the old one.
 
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So . . . Santa brought me a stupid tiny washing machine. A plastic POS. One shirt might fit into it. And might is the key word here.

Now, what the hell am I going to do with it? :biggrin:
 
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Sunshineinabag Its Murano glass. My aunt was selling off a bunch of stuff at the flea market that had been in storage, and when she saw me take interest in it, put it aside to give me for Christmas.
 
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fun num nums for covid times.......from the invisible rainbow;


"In each case—in 1889, 1918, 1957, and 1968—the electrical envelope of
the earth, which will be described in the next chapter, and to which we are all
attached by invisible strings, was suddenly and profoundly disturbed. Those
for whom this attachment was strongest, whose roots were most vital, whose
life’s rhythms were tuned most closely to the accustomed pulsations of our
planet—in other words, vigorous, healthy young adults, and pregnant women
—those were the individuals who most suffered and died. Like an orchestra
whose conductor has suddenly gone mad, their organs, their living
instruments, no longer knew how to play."

1889-asiatic/russian flu epidemic
1918-spanish flu
1957-asian flu
1968-hong kong flu

1889-electrification of modern world
1918-wireless radio
1957-radar
1968-Initial Defense
Communication Satellite Program (IDCSP),

fun read huh? all purely coincidence of course.....the idea that those epidemics had anything to do with anything other than those evil mean viruses out to kill us all at any second is fake news and not sponsored by pfizer and not in accordance with CDC, NIH, FDA, WHO...........you can fool some of the people some of the time but you can fool all of the people all of the time.


moose eater your posts are awesome!
 
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