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[sourpuss]

So when did northern light come about... what is the earliest anyone has seen real northern lights. Only askin cause ive been told there is a 40 year old nl cut going around. Not being shared. But im sure I could find a way.... does 40 years add up? Before I waste time on a fake cut...

 

[master chine]

find the indian man lool on the island best advise @joke
50% of the other time it me always right

 

[idiit]

nevil discusses quite a bit on the origin and timelines of his stock starting here:

^^ link

 

[satva]

Words of Wisdom for breeding from Charlie Garcia. Don't let your cats make the selections.

" look for own character, own personality for new hybrids, dont let your cats do the job
You as breeder or crosser or pollenchucker or whatever should lead job and be humble in front of plants, not because a line has Haze or Panama for instance should be the best, not at all, this is just a name and some traits but your goal is overpass quality of parents or at least reach same level and hybrid should say something". Charlie Garcia

Mango Haze genetics:
(Haze/Haze) x (Northern Lights#5) x (Haze/Haze) x Skunk#1
Haze C (unknown origin probably tropical sativa) /
NL#5 (unknown origin probably indica) x
Haze A (unknown origin probably tropical sativa) /
Skunk #1 ( unknown mostly sativa from Thailand, Mexico, Colombia, India, or other unknown origin) x
Afganistan (not sativa and not indica, origin somewhere in Afganistan).

For not knowing the origin(s), (or perhaps the cat made the selections), a book could be written "The Origins of Haze".

I smoked some (Haze/Haze) x (Northern Lights#5) x (Haze/Haze) x Skunk#1 - (Mango phenotype (MH-A) last night, and then smoked some (Highland Meao Thai x Mexican/Colombian) x Pakastani Chitral Kush (Sweet fruity phenotype DS/PCK-3). .

I like (Highland Meao Thai x Mexican/Colombian) x Pakastani Chitral Kush (Sweet fruity phenotype DS/PCK-3) better than (Haze/Haze) x (Northern Lights#5) x (Haze/Haze) x Skunk#1 - (Mango phenotype (MH-A). I'm over MH-A , now I like Mango Haze-1 phenotype is more hazey. Its either Haze A or Haze C that I like.

The effect was similar but the (Haze/Haze) x (Northern Lights#5) x (Haze/Haze) x Skunk#1 lost energy after the initial high and I took a nap on the couch. I got up and smoked some (Highland Meao Thai x Mexican/Colombian) x Pakastani Chitral Kush (Sweet fruity phenotype DS/PCK-3) felt better and got renergized.

Today I plan on comparing (Highland Meao Thai x Mexican/Colombian- Sage phenotype DS-1) and (Highland Meao Thai x Mexican/Colombian) x Pakastani Chitral Kush (Sage and floral phenotype DS/PCK-2). Unless (Highland Meao Thai x Mexican/Colombian) x Pakastani Chitral Kush (Citrus and sage phenotype DS/PCK-1) is cured enough to smoke, then I'll have that one.

PS> No cats allowed, but once those labels fall off, you really never know...

 

[rhinoman 1]

Hey Elmer , that is some funny stuff . Sounds more like damage control lol.

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day RM1

From the horses mouth .
The guy who started the 4 afghani beanz that became the Northern Lights Mother .
The guy who Nevil got his NL from originally . The Indian was not the man . He was a friend who NL Crew helped out .
Green Merchant meant NL crew went under ground . The Indian was still around . Jorge took NVL to meet The Indian . To get more NL . That resulted in Nevil being cut out by the NL Crew from then on .

@ Bushie

Your right . NL dude sent Affie seeds to his Hawaiian bro . Seeds came back to NL dude labelled Affie x Ha . So could well be Thai , Colombian , Mexi , Indonesian , African , Indian . Jah only knows .
You know there were Mexican cow boys in the Islands long before the 60s eh ?

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[sourpuss]

Damn what a story... what time frame we lookin at? Affie is from the 60's?

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day SP

80`s
NL #5 was an F1 in 85 .

So 1970s NL cuts are urban myths .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[sourpuss]

Thx elmer! Had a feelin it was bs.. prob why they wont give it out cause its fake losers.... although im gonna prod them a little more on the age of this cut...

 

[harry74]

NL#1 NL#5 Ortega.....

NL#1 NL#5 Ortega.....

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/6-breede...northern-lights-1-vs-northern-lights-5-a.html

Not backing up any versión....

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day Harry

I`ll see you , and raise you .

Originally Posted by Nevil View Post
The Northern Lights#1 was a pure strain from the pacific N.W. of America. It had nothing to do with Ortega lines initially, although I did cross them.
NL 1 was pretty special, it was all Indica. Good pure Indica strains were pretty hard to find in those days. I didn't hold it back, I sold it pure.

Dr Atomics stuff looks like NL2x5. I don't see much Thai in it. I probably perpetuated the Thai/NL5 myth. The U.S. NL5 had Thai in it and I repeated the description given to me. Although mine was from the same family, it never showed any Thai characteristics.
N.

Nevil was on a diet of Nembutal and Scotch Whisky .Around the time he was co operating with Mr NL .
I don`t think his memory is what it could be .


http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/6-breeders-support-information/2012-northern-lights-14.html

Nevil says US NL 5 had Thai in it ?
He`s off the mark . Described as Affie x Hawaiian by the breeder . The NL #8 or #9 had the Thai cross Nevil was off the mark and thats where the misinformation started .

He did have the NL / Thai cross as well . he put out NL #9 x SK #1 in one catalogue .

The 1st NL #5 cutting was smuggled into Holland in a terrarium the leaves trimmed to remove the serrations . !!

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[rhinoman 1]

Hey Elmer , not disputing the source of the story just the fact your calling it Hawaiian . It can mean anything .@sourpuss tell me how Neville made a better selection for his nl5 and it's not fake?

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day Rhino

I tend to believe the guy who made the seeds, more than the guy who was eating Nembutal and washing it down with a bottle of Scotch .
Who then crossed them and sold them .

Aloha, Don (aka the Indian) was from the Queets Tribe in Washington State who got injured on the job and needed a way to supplement his income. We set him up with lights substrate and strains and he worked for several years until his Son got out of the Army. Our relationship soured when Nevil tried the backdoor direct bypass me so all seeds to The Netherlands were halted for 30 years now. I sent bag-weed seed and kept the good strains in Seattle.

He burnt his bridge . Couldn`t get the proper NL any more . The Indian wasn`t the NL crew . He was some one they helped to get growing . So Nevil didnt get access to the true NL on his trip to the States .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[sourpuss]

@rhinoman no idea what your talkin about... care to clarify? Im talking about a friend whos claiming that he might be able to get a real nl cut that is 40 years old. Im callin bs. Thats all. Much respect to neville...

 

[sourpuss]

Sorry maybe my wording is bad.... no way was I talking about neville when i mentioned loser. Just wanna clarify.

 

[bigherb]

A cyaan forget the haze...
A love haze more than kush .
Where the real haze story?
Sam?
Haze brother ?
Giv newbie a light!!

Newbie ? Your a member since 08


There is the origins of haze / the history of haze / the true origins of haze . All different articles all written by different authors


1luvbigherb

 

[bushweed]

@ Bushie Your right . NL dude sent Affie seeds to his Hawaiian bro . Seeds came back to NL dude labelled Affie x Ha . So could well be Thai , Colombian , Mexi , Indonesian , African , Indian . Jah only knows

Nevil says US NL 5 had Thai in it ? He`s off the mark

Personally I think Nevil may have known what he was talking about....

there would be a good likelyhood the Haw was related to some Thai..

But I'm amazed at how credulous you are of NL Greg's story, you seem to have swallowed it hook, line and sinker. Personally I haven't read a single thing he's written that nails it as authentic, but I see you championing his version everywhere like you're the Apostle Paul championing the Northern Lights Gospel of Jesus.

I tend to believe the guy who made the seeds, more than the guy who was eating Nembutal and washing it down with a bottle of Scotch. He burnt his bridge . Couldn`t get the proper NL any more . The Indian wasn`t the NL crew . He was some one they helped to get growing . So Nevil didnt get access to the true NL on his trip to the States .

Then on the other hand, you're demonizing Nevil. Nembutal and Scotch? That's a weak ass thing to say without a quote IMO. No worries that's the giant mote in your eye, but I am interested to know what he said that galvanized your animosity to such a degree that you've been doing your best Morphote impersonation for years trying to badmouth him. I mean, why him specifically?

And still you rave on about his old crosses that you sampled in Europe. Seems inconsistent Elmer.

What's the story Mr.Bud, you're lionizing one clown and demonizing another? If I didn't know you better I'd say you were a Southern Baptiste on barbituates.

Get behind me Satan!!

There is the origins of haze / the history of haze / the true origins of haze . All different articles all written by different authors

Hi bigherb, I read a report recently from a Dominican from Florida who said that the so called piff they've been sending to NY since 94 is a cut of NL#5Hz bought from Sensi in Holland. no idea as to the veracity of that.

 

[sourpuss]

Abnormal is doing some sensi 95 nl crosses. Hindu kush... cherry afghan..... with real 95 nl genes.... as far as I know. Got a pack of northern hindu gonna get popped and finger fucked asap..... he dropped em on the server... cherry afghan x nl 95 was getting some high bids.... still cheap as hell considering the rarity of real old school nl....

 

[Elmer Bud]

Personally I think Nevil may have known what he was talking about....



But I'm amazed at how credulous you are of NL Greg's story, you seem to have swallowed it hook, line and sinker. Personally I haven't read a single thing he's written that nails it as authentic, but I see you championing his version everywhere like you're the Apostle Paul championing the Northern Lights Gospel of Jesus.



Then on the other hand, you're demonizing Nevil. Nembutal and Scotch? That's a weak ass thing to say without a quote IMO. No worries that's the giant mote in your eye, but I am interested to know what he said that galvanized your animosity to such a degree that you've been doing your best Morphote impersonation for years trying to badmouth him. I mean, why him specifically?

And still you rave on about his old crosses that you sampled in Europe. Seems inconsistent Elmer.

What's the story Mr.Bud, you're lionizing one clown and demonizing another? If I didn't know you better I'd say you were a Southern Baptiste on barbituates.View Image Get behind me Satan!!



Hi bigherb, I read a report recently from a Dominican from Florida who said that the so called piff they've been sending to NY since 94 is a cut of NL#5Hz bought from Sensi in Holland. no idea as to the veracity of that.

G`day Bushie

My ref re Nembutal and Scotch comes from the High Times Cannabis Castle article . The same one he got his fame from .

Demonising barbitutes and alcohol abuse ? Is that a bad thing ?

Yes I have a predjudice against Nevil .
We had some interactions that left me disgruntled.

I like a lot of the hybrids he made . I use them in my garden and in my breeding .

I give credit to Greg, as Nevil said he was the man who told him to look for amber trichomes on the plants to tell maturity .
He also was the guy who showed Nevil the Sea Of Green technique he had learnt in Seattle .

His story lines up as far as I can tell .


Nevil was a great source of other people's worked lines which he crossed every which way and sold for premium prices .
Today they call that pollen chuckin .

The folks in Cali and the PNW had done the selections and inbreeding .Nevil made 30 NL hybrids in 5 years ...

The thing is Nevil was the guy crazy enough to defy the DEA and US Gov . And make a fortune out of it . Didn`t end well .

I see this as a balance to all the Master Nevil / King of Cannabis hero worship drivel I have read over a lot of years .


The things I`m saying are the facts as I understand them . An alternative view ? Keep Nevil the man separated from Nevil`s seeds he made from the genetics he sources .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Elmer Bud]

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Cannabiculture

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In many ways I am the Forrest Gump of Growing Cannabis in America. Here’s why I say this.

1971: Having been inspired by Bill Drake’s groundbreaking book, The Cultivator’s Handbook of Marijuana, (1970)
I planted my first crop of cannabis in Southern Oregon. I also hitchhiked around with a huge bag of seeds playing “Michael Marijuana Seed.”

1975: How to Grow Indoors Under Lights, (1973), by “Murphy Stevens” inspired me to try growing indoors under VHO fluorescent lights. I did bring my plants to full flower but they were not at all impressive by today’s standards. This was also the year Stevens made the switch to High Intensity Discharge lighting.I was there when an engineering student at the University of Washinton came into Stevens” shop and told him how much more efficient HID light were than VHO flourescents.
At that point I continued to be primarily an outdoor grower. Most growers at that time felt that while indoor-grown cannabis was very pretty it couldn’t compete with that grown outdoors in terms of potency. I would later learn why this was and figure out how to fix it

1978: I grew my first HID-lit indoor crop. This was in addition to my outdoor crop. Like many others both before and since then I fell afoul of the learning curve and lost most of my crop to spider mites. Then there’s the crops I lost to intersexing (botanical hermaphroditism) because of my ignorance of the importance of correct photo-periodicity. In the years since then I have made every mistake you can at least once. As a result I know how to prevent most of them and to fix almost all the others.

1979: I become a life member of national NORML.

1980: I started buying equipment from a shop in Seattle called “Hydrotech.” At that point and for the next nine years they were the leading edge of plant lighting technology. I learned their equipment and inventory so well that I frequently waited on customers who came in after me while the owner—Kevin Bjornson– was taking care of the ones before me. This is also when I began collaborating with him on a monthly column in Sinsemilla Tips magazine called The Farmer in the Sky. We produced this column until October of 1989, when the DEA, in something called Operation Green Merchant shut down the magazine and 63 grow shops in 48 states.

1981: This was the year I started putting the clues together that would result in my developing a growth technique called Sea of Green (SoG). A friend of mine, growing in Eastern Washington doesn’t have time to stick all of his starts in the ground. One, in a half gallon clay pot, grows into a single 24″ long bud.

1983: A series of accidents gives me the second clue and I learned about the Inverse Square Law which caused me to hypothesize that significantly greater yield, per year, could be achieved growing single spear-type colas in a shorter period than could be grown using what I described at the time as the Candelabra, Christmas Bush, and Tall Girl methods. Putting it very simply, the ideal level of light for maximum plant growth in cannabis is 5500 foot candles at the top of the plants. Too little and you don’t drive the photosynthetic reaction as fast as you can. Too much and the plants go into a condition called photoinhibition which is the stoma (what the plants breathe through) contracting to protect themselves from excessive water loss. The Inverse Square Law, in English rather than mathematics, says that at twice the distance it takes to lose half its intensity light is one quarter as strong as it was at its source. This is why full-sized indoor plants which are not side-lit do not get big buds on their bottom branches. There is so much available light outside that this is not a major consideration.
Late in the year I went to work at Hydrotech in production. Three months later, recognizing that I was at least as knowledgable about the inventory as he was and more knowledgeable about growing. the owner made me the General Manager and de facto COO. I held this position until October of 1989.
In this position I received input about cannabiculture from literally hundreds of professionals.

1984: I begin testing my hypothesis and got astoundingly excellent results. (It would take me over a year before I could repeat them but the intervening crops were still excellent.)
This was also the year I first wrote about Sea of Green (SoG), in an article in Sinsemilla Tips.

1985 I tell a guy in Seattle named Greg about SoG and, a few weeks later, on a trip to Holland, while taking him the Northern Lights seeds which would kickstart the Dutch seed industry he tells his friend Neville about it. Yes, I mean Neville of Seed Bank fame. This is probably why some people are confused about where SoG came into use in phytotronic cannabiculture.
Hydrotech opened our Portland store. Jorge Cervantes, has verified, in writing, that the first time he ever heard of Sea of Green was from me in 1985.
I introduced my first book—Growing Indoors for Fun and Profit—at the 1985 NORML national conference. This is the same time and place that Jack Herer introduced The Emperor Wears No Clothes. His book did much better than mine. We began a friendship which would last the next 24 years.I also begin putting together what Assistant US Attorney for the District of Oregon—John Haub–would, 4 years later, refer to, repeatedly, as “a multi-state network of extremely sophisticated indoor grow operations.”

1986: At this point state of the art was growing (SoG) under a Hydrotech “Kingdome” paraboloid hood with side lighting. Advanced growers would start under halide lights, then switch to HPS during the flower stage. This required that they change both their bulb and the ballast which drove it. While looking through some Spectral Power Distribution charts (SPD) I found a bulb made by a little Japanese lighting company called Iwasaki. The spectra it emitted, going by the SPD, was better than either halide or HPS for plant growth. More importantly from a commercial point of view was that by using this bulb, if it worked, my customers could get better light than they were getting from HPS without having to own and switch out to HPS ballasts. It took me almost 6 months to get a six pack of the Iwasaki Eye-ace 940. This was the very first time in their corporate that Iwasaki products were sold for a horticultural application of any kind. I tried them and found that they produced excellent results, so we wrote about them in our column. They caught on like wildfire. Iwasaki entered the field with an increasing number of excellent products. Along the way they changed the name under which they do business in the USA. The name they changed to was Hortilux. Although they no longer hold as much market-share as they did at their peak, they remain the largest producers of HID bulbs for horticultural lighting in the world.
If I remember correctly this was also the year we wrote about supplementing lighting with UV-b to increase the potency of the plants and hypothesized growing in a sealed chamber with CO2 supplementation and dehumidification. Both the UV-b supplementation and the sealed room concept had never been written about before.

1986-October 27, 1989: I continued to expand both, my grow operations and Hydrotech.
Late in this period I began to develop the SoG concept even further. It seemed wasteful to me that the light hitting the walls above the canopy of the SoG wasn’t growing a plant and giving me product. I figured out how to line the walls with plants. This is the Emerald Cavern or Coliseum technique. To put this in perspective, at 3 plants per square foot our hypothetical 16 square foot SoG bed holds 48 plants and at 4 plants per square foot this becomes 64 plants. An Emerald Cavern with the same footprint is limited only by the number of tiers utilized. The lighting requirements are somewhat different.

On October 27, 1989 indictments were unsealed in a major investigation the DEA labeled Operation Green Merchant. Sixty-three grow shops in 48 states and Sinsemilla Tips magazine were raided and shut down. Over two hundred people were indicted. I was one of them.

I was arrested on October 29, 1989 and charged with “Manufacturing a Controlled Substance, to wit, Marijuana” in excess of 12,000 plants. At that time this was the second largest indoor grow case in the history of the Federal District of Oregon. I ended up, after plea bargaining the quantity down, pleading “guilty” to 3,999 plants.
October 29, 1989-June 17, 1995: This period was spent on an involuntary, federally-mandated, sabbatical.

June 17, 1995- June, 2006: For a number of reasons I am not prepared to discuss what I was doing during this period except to say that I continued to develop further expertise and the ability to apply it.
June, 2006-Present: I became a grower for medical marijuana patients in Oregon and, because of a frequently overlooked clause in Washington’s MMj law, there as well.

Hempstalk, 2009 Immediately after he came offstage, I was the last person that Jack Herer consciously consumed cannabis with. It was an odd Karmic Wheel completing it’s rotation. I was there when he introduced the “Emperor…,” which rocketed him to being the best known “pothead” in the world and I was there at his very last speech.I spent that night at the hospital with his personal assistant, son and wife.

Present:
I continue to be licensed as a grower under Oregon and Washington’s MMj laws. Based on my many years of involvement in cannabiculture, I offer consultation services on the design and operation of facilities to produce high grade cannabis. I know more about its lighting requirements and how to fulfill them than all but a handful of other people on earth and they, except one, all have a string of letters after their names. This knowledge includes a thorough understanding of the interaction of physics and organic chemistry in cannabiculture. I have quite a bit of knowledge about nutritional requirements, pest and disease control and nutrient delivery systems. I am familiar with the construction requirements, including plumbing, wiring, security and HVAC as well as CO2 supplementation and dehumidification.

I am currently working on my second book about growing–The Cultivator’s Handbook of Medical Cannabis: How to Grow Wiser. In another closing of a Karmic wheel the man editing this book is Bill Drake–the man whose book started me on my life’s path.

March 12, 2014 Thanks to Casper Leitch and the Time for Hemp network, the Farmer in the Sky’s Radio Hour makes it’s debut.

G`day Bushie

I`ll be in contact with Mr Wolf in the near future ,
I`m hoping he can verify some points of detail .


I highlighted Jorge as he was "allegedly " involved with Nevils trip to the USA ...

Thanks for sharin

EB