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zachrockbadenof

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There is a massive difference between a handful of low level documents that had been essentially misplaced,
and boxes upon boxes of the nations most classified documents that had been deliberately taken.
Once it was established that they had taken improperly, 45 repeatedly lied in saying that he would return them. Pretending that the situations are comparable does not make it so.
i don't know what documents biden 'misplaced' ... do u ??
 

zachrockbadenof

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to what degree are they scumbags?

not everyone is the same level of scumbag, zach...

magadmin is full of the worst scumbags
agree some scummers are worse then others... u believe trump is worse then biden.... i think the opposite.. its wonderful to be an american where diff people can have a diff point of view... unlike lets say... russian,china,nkorea,iran, and even turkey...
 

nepalnt21

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we also live in a world where we can back up our opinions with facts.

(first, i do wanna say it was trump vs harris, and i think biden is a war criminal but so is trump)

what has biden done that's as bad as any of the real shitty shit trump's done?
 

Hammerhead

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a president can take documents... not saying that what he took was legal... however a VP can't take documents.... whether he gave them back when asked for is not the point.... he can't possess them
lol, He sure can poses them. He has the same access to the same top secret data a POTUS has. The VP can step in when the POTUS is incapacitated. The VP can process any top secret data. Its not like he took them in the 1st place.. Those were moved there when he left office. He didn't even know they were there. Again making excuses for completely different situations. Its like the guy who J walked gets the same time as a sex offender. These 2 men are not even close to the same moral character. If you think Biden is worse than a sex offender there a huge issue with your judgment,
 

moose eater

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we also live in a world where we can back up our opinions with facts.

(first, i do wanna say it was trump vs harris, and i think biden is a war criminal but so is trump)

what has biden done that's as bad as any of the real shitty shit trump's done?
I think you already touched on it to a limited or generic degree, but Biden continued sending arms and money to Israel in violation of both US and international laws AFTER the ICC/ICJ had concluded formally that Israel was acting as an illegal war criminals state.

Biden was also a supporter of private prisons, the increased penalties in the War on (Some) Drugs, the illegal invasion of Iraq, and the 'too big to fail' bullshit that had us paying for Wall St's illegalities and excesses.

On a lie-for-lie basis or framework, however, Biden can't hold even a small candle to Trump in that lop-sided competition. Trump's the absolute king of up-side-down fabrications and total bullshit.

Edit: While Trump was guilty of prematurely 'convicting' the 5 alleged rapists in Central Park who were later found to be innocent, revealing once again his racist tendencies, Biden also backed the implicitly racist sentencing disparities between crack cocaine and the often much more potent powder cocaine.
 

zachrockbadenof

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Byrd's associations with the KKK died -long- ago, he repented and was a primary source speaking out against the USA PATRIOT ACT's excesses, illegalities and nonsense when few would do so.
and trumps accusations against the central park 5 was also many years ago... is trump a racist?? i dunno ..is biden a racist?? i dunno...
 

Gry

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zachrockbadenof

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makes sense... voting is for citizens...u should be able to show that you are... u can't get onto an airplane, into many buildings, or as a visitor in a hospital without showing proof... i don't see the hiccup
 

moose eater

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and trumps accusations against the central park 5 was also many years ago... is trump a racist?? i dunno ..is biden a racist?? i dunno...
They're both racists, though as was pointed out by another here a short while ago, Trump was supposed to have referenced the death penalty for the Central Park 5 even after their acquittals.

And Byrd's association with the Klan ended LONG before the Central Park 5 calamity. LONG before.
 

moose eater

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makes sense... voting is for citizens...u should be able to show that you are... u can't get onto an airplane, into many buildings, or as a visitor in a hospital without showing proof... i don't see the hiccup
Numerous Native Americans have found it to be less than easy to establish their US citizenship when ICE was involved, both recently and not.
 

Gry

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and trumps accusations against the central park 5 was also many years ago... is trump a racist?? i dunno ..is biden a racist?? i dunno...
I would have to say that you remain in a class of your own, with respect to not wishing to figure it out.
When Trump continued to insist that the young men who had been incorrectly accused in the first place,
should still be subject to the death penalty even after they had been found to be not guilty, he showed the world what was in his heart. There have been studies that identify a given and quite consistent percentage of people who subscribe to such racism. Quite intense studies were done post WWII to work such things out.
Fascinating story actually, but then that is more stolen, or should I simply say concealed history that has been tucked away, as being a bit more detail than was needed by the powers that be...

 

zachrockbadenof

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the central park 5 was in 1989... in 1994 biden sponsored the racist crime bill and who voted along with him... robert byrd the grand poo-ba ... so if u wanta lump one as a racist ... don't 4get the other/s
 

moose eater

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During the USA PATRIOT ACT 'debate' (not that there was much of a debate) Byrd stated, and I recall this relatively well, "I've seen a lot of sausage made, but never like this," or something to that effect. I won't bore you with what was going on in our political action group at that time, but I know that late night/early morning amendments were made to the USA PA that few of those voting on it were even aware of. It was a gift to alphabet soup and LEO orgs that gave them extra-legal authorities beyond the Constitution that they'd wanted for a half-century or more, and under the clouded judgment and national rage of the post-9/11 atmosphere, they were granted their wish list for a furthering of the police state.

This first link is an especially good one:






 

moose eater

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the central park 5 was in 1989... in 1994 biden sponsored the racist crime bill and who voted along with him... robert byrd the grand poo-ba ... so if u wanta lump one as a racist ... don't 4get the other/s
Byrd was never a Grand Wizard, he was a Grand Cyclops, if that makes any difference to you, but read that first link above (especially), and then the rest if you want a more accurate picture.

And I tried to be balanced in my selection of links.
 

Gry

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the central park 5 was in 1989... in 1994 biden sponsored the racist crime bill and who voted along with him... robert byrd the grand poo-ba ... so if u wanta lump one as a racist ... don't 4get the other/s
The difference between them being that both of recognized that they needed to change, and to their credit, they each attempted to do so, that's not at all the case for DJT, who has done the opposite.
The reformed Robert Byrd was a vastly changed and decent human being who went a long way to institute real and decent change in his own life. The opposite of what one hears of DJT.
 
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