Nevil said : "I wouldn't swear on a kilo of Haze hash that..."
THH hash on a bed of THH bracts
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Tom Hill Haze
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Well Bigherb, I wouldn't swear on a kilo of Haze Hash, that he told me that he grew them himself.Nevil said : "I wouldn't swear on a kilo of Haze hash that..."
THH hash on a bed of THH bracts
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I seem to remember one batch had a number of years mixed together something like '66,'67,'68. A prominent ancestor was a thing called "Burning Bush". If Sam didn't grow burning bush then the person that did will be able to tell us more.
Everything useful was from before 1970. The one plant that came up from '70 batch, Omega, was at best 25% haze and didn't make the grade.
N.
This Above quote from Nevil was during a discussion he and I were having Regarding the Origins of his Haze Seed stock.
I believe Nevil meant Sams didn't say he Made the Seeds which Nevil Recieved . But that's the Exact opposite of what Sams said
The mention of Burning Bush being a Ancestor to the Seed stock is Soo deep but not given much attention.
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StickyBandit
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I just released a MAJOR cloud of pollen through a duct straight into the girls tent where it's currently being circulated
The (Thai?) boys at the back have produced the lion's share of the pollen which kinda goes along with what @@hempy was saying about the Thai being awesome and could explain why it's naturally increasing what Tom likes in each reproduction...
Here's a shot of all the boys. You can see a cloud of pollen left rear and the green stake I'm tapping the plants with while the pollen gets sucked out the duct
In the center is a very nice lumbo dominant specimen with another lumbo bottom left and at the right rear looks like a 50/50 with most of the rest being Thai leaning
Here's a close up of the good looking lumbo boy
The girls look ripe!
I've definitely spotted some favorites but I guess looks ain't everything
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looking great sticky ,,,your right looks aint everything but at the same time im always finding myself drawn to certain plants lol
I'd hold off for a week or more to make the seeds , will be much bigger seed harvest.
If you pollinate this early seed count will be lower and hardly any material to sample.
You gone this far might as well maximise seed pull.
Also less leafs are definitely better for the more NLD Sativa's
If you pollinate this early seed count will be lower and hardly any material to sample.
You gone this far might as well maximise seed pull.
Also less leafs are definitely better for the more NLD Sativa's
StickyBandit
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No worries, got to keep the wife happyI appreciate the advice ojd but the wife wants some Indica Hybrids. Happy wife...
I would tell her whatever she wants to hear and proceed to grow some proper haze. I have noticed that if I stay super high on haze for a few days it starts to knock me down like an indica..... Not so much the buzz. But the comedown. She just needs to smoke more.
Stoneguru
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These profiles are the ones I enjoy most in haze as well. They were unforgettable in the haze leaners of the original 5haze. Anything after hinted at, but very muted by comparison.
Even in the Pre-98 Nevil's haze we couldn't find it again. More meaty or savory as others noted as well.
The only landraces that I have found those bright top notes you describe from male C are Vietnam and some Laos to lesser extent.
From first hand account the Mekong Green leaning Viet 164 and the Dalat cut Snowhigh uses. I still have an OP of Fets original Viet with the green and black types. Does anyone know when and where in vietnam Fets first Viet collection came from?
Everyone who had that 5haze maleC would pick up those notes in Viet. They are unmistakable as you described above. Its not Colombian/central American and not Thai from all reports. Do we trust the story or our our own nose and experiences is the real question?.
I also should add I ran TLT North Viet, Luehahn, Hoa Bac, Luang Prabang, Muang Xia...there were others. Good lines, but I did not find the type in them. One plant in a multi-pack Viet 164 and snowhigh cut.
Dwight Diotte has found it as well in Viet. Quote referencing his conversations with Nevil on Outback Haze.
-Nevils nose lasered in on that part of the line and others went towards the Colombian or Mex...
NH 21 is Dr. Pepper with a slight... citrus twist.
Nevil knew exactly what was in the original 5haze male C before it was selected mango and Nevil's haze. The citrus is not the type of citrus commonly associated with cannabis or lemon haze. It's in the context of haze profile which has an effervescence to it. 7up is how I would associate the original. Brighter. More pine needle fir tree.
Similarly he recognized that "Diesel" Chem had 5haze male C as a parent.
There is a haze type that is the most refined sharp frankincense fuel imaginable. Crossing to an afghani would cut it with acrid and earth to make what we are familiar with.
Anyway @dubi your on point. It's just where to find it. I'm always open to new information but I have only found it in Viet so far (still a rare outlier). It is only part, but still the essential part of what is still one of the most rare among the haze types that is not yet restored.
I am looking forward to seeing the full plant pictures in THH that have the profile Dubi describes
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pretty sure its “anons" vb...off the CW auction..
A pure Haze clone more like 5 weeks , from seed even further depending on how many pistils you have , more pistils more seeds.
If you had the pollen ready to go in hand even week 6-8 again all depending on pistils and how Extreme Sativa/Haze ( im talking pure Sativa's here, not normal flowering 8-10 week strains)
Making Regular seeds the Male pollen so strong its easy to have the full room/tent seeded up in no time if the Male is in full flower.
Thats why i said its early to pollinate now as if Males in with the Females ( not separately and hand dusting) thats alot of pollen and will seed it up immediately if Males are heavily dropping already .
Normal flowering range you wait a few weeks before putting in Males , Extreme Sativa flowers i put a Male clone in at week 4 and its fully opened dropped by week 6 pollinating everything giving at least 6 weeks for seeds to mature .
Stoneguru
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I found the collection. It was an open pollination from Billygoats Viet from Fet. Probably still available.Thanks you! I read at the time he made it in the late 90's, but don't recall the story of when or where he collected it. I think the op I have was around 2015. I'll try looking this up
The progeny from Billygoats were a fairly even mix between the Black and the Green types if I recall right ..it looked like about a dozen plants OP'd
In the Zang/Viet 164 I ran most were the black type, but the Green type with notes like the Male C was different. Sharp citrus notes was an enormous
shape top, minimal branching. Very bright. Who knows if the profile tracks the plant, but it almost seemed like it came from another line then the black.
It does seem like the black and green were 2 very distinctive types that were crossed along the way. Probably with all of the chaos of the war.
Knop
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Man, I have extremely large Thai seeds and extremely small Zamal seeds, large and small Tom Haze seeds, I don't know if seed size influences or differentiates genetics
Stoneguru
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Circumference divided by spots will give the cannabinoids. Parabola of line squiggle the terpenes. Bottom line. If the seeds ain't blowing out the back side you ain't got shit. That's all that really matters
In all seriousness the largest cannabis seeds I have ever seen were TLT North Vietnamese. They hit the table like marbles. Almost comical how big.
I would pull the pics off the basement, but their site/server seems to be down every couple days. Anyone else having that happen?
@StickyBandit ?
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@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
The HzC is to the Colombian and HzA is to the Thai, Nevil has posted this.
You can see the same two sides of Haze in Posi Haze you can even see it in the O Haze but less so in the seed now as OHaze has been steered more to the Colombian side, but you still have Thai types pop up like Golli Haze for example.
I think Both sides are good.
