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Tom Hill Haze

@hempy

The Haze Whisperer
@@hempy can you tell me what you think about the leaf difference on Males4 and Males5 and anything else you might notice?
The Big differences I notice from the pics is in the look of the male flowers.

These are in the taller lanky males, at the back, correct ?

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These are found on the broader leaf shorter ones, correct ?

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Stoneguru

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Trialing a new macro telephoto lens on all the close ups, it has a very small focal range
@@hempy can you tell me what you think about the leaf difference on Males4 and Males5 and anything else you might notice?
Thanks bud (y)

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I was taking with Tom last night and it sounds like he is finding more of what he personally likes in this last make than the big increase he did a couple years ago. which is the same one you have.

I have been wrong so many times on what I thought a male when selecting from new work. I always reverse the males until I am comfortably familiar, but I know that's next round for you.

Open pollination is hard for me psychologically. Particularly if I find what I am looking for. The closest I come I would cull males down to 8-10 or based on how many branches I can tag.

From whichever female blows my mind I will the have 8-10 collections to test. Disorganized an op with 10 males and a keeper mom may bump it from a 5% to the collection to 15% and you'll always wonder which your popping.

It's a lot of work, doing all of the individual branches and pollination, but you may thank yourself later. Especially if you find the ones you are looking for✌️
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Stoneguru

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What you find in Thailand now is very different to what you found in Thailand even in the early 90s most Thai lines are a shadow of what they once were.

A lot of Dutch lines were bred into the Thai lines, then a few years back you had 1 million high CBD clones passed out by the government to add insult to injury.

You want Runtz or Cookies Thailand now the place to find them.
Yeah, he financed an operation for a friend their and he said all they ask for 'cali bud' 'cali bud'. He said most of what they have is garbage and only the older out of touch Thai that even mess with the landrace, but he also said a couple times he smoked something completely different. Psychedelic. He is the only person I know that regularly smokes salvia so a little different.lol

Anyway, He rides bike and visits all the back road less traveled areas of SE Asian and speaks fluent Thai with the backdrop of smoking my haze.

I'm looking forward to spending time catching up. All I know is that the collections are remote, but my impression from him last time was that Thai today is not impressive.
 

Airloom

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ok so were there any standouts ..?
One was a heavy producer and had that underlying smell of meat or dare I say liver

Most were heavy pine
No metal or camphor or eucalyptus

My wife said it was out of control last year with 25 plants so this year I was “out of my element”

Photos would not be helpful but I tried with my old iPhone XS Max

Nothing on stems but I’m pretty sure it’s my nose
I broke it badly in the 70’s in Okinawa and it was broken again in the 2000’s and not re set. I always think that’s my problem.

FWIW 2 of your SSSTN were very delightful to watch and are curing as well. I’ve recently re connected with an old classmate who’s still smoking on a regular basis who is likely gonna be giving me legit smoke reports. I’m holding off for at least 60 days before giving him samples. I want to be sure it’s ready and guessing 60 days minimum will be ok. Anybody can weigh in on that since I’m a lightweight and my insights are garbage. Lol


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Airloom

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The Big differences I notice from the pics is in the look of the male flowers.

These are in the taller lanky males, at the back, correct ?

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These are found on the broader leaf shorter ones, correct ?

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To me eyes the top photo looks like the flowers are further along than the other and definitely a lankier pheno. I can’t see a lot of the stem on the lower plant but it looks more robust with tighter node spacing? If so, that all fits with it being a shorter more compact pheno and maybe a bit behind the other?

The top one also appears more broad leaf to my eyes anyway

Just like my opinion man
 

StickyBandit

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The Big differences I notice from the pics is in the look of the male flowers.

These are in the taller lanky males, at the back, correct ?

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These are found on the broader leaf shorter ones, correct ?

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Here's an overview from my other camera. I was over my photo limit yesterday so couldn't post it. Maybe it's clear enough to see more?
They're all dropping pollen at the back but I'm waiting for the rest to start
Looks like the one on the right the fan fell on won't make it :(

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Airloom

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Here's an overview from my other camera. I was over my photo limit yesterday so couldn't post it. Maybe it's clear enough to see more?
They're all dropping pollen at the back but I'm waiting for the rest to start
Looks like the one on the right the fan fell on won't make it :(

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I found it hard to give each plant the time it deserved because I had no real plan.

At least this Todo Tom Hill Haze or Tom Hill Totalamente has a plan.

I offered to start some strains for a friend with limited resources and it just morphed into a crisis to crisis thing. Once I handed of his seedlings (12) he proceeded to grow them and just live his life. I refused to cull or top anything and spent my time looking thru my loupe, standing on a 10’ ladder, or watering. I’m a bit of a perfectionist still and should know better.

My wife’s description of searching for a fresh cut Christmas trees is apt here.

“they all start looking the same”

I found my own recently:

“comparison is the thief of joy”

Don’t recall where I read that but it’s spot on and will hopefully keep me in the moment
 

Knop

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3 thai/haze that were in a 15oz pot, survived in the guerrilla for more than 1 month without water, without nutrients and in the shade along with other varieties, oaxaca x panama, squirel tail, super panama haze.
the thai/haze and squirel tail were the only ones that did not turn yellow on the leaves and did not show early sex, even in small pots

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transplanted after being recovered from the guerrilla
 

Airloom

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Tom's is hard to kill :biggrin:
FWIW I had a female from 2023 I cloned and kept over the winter here in SE New England

In May 2024 I put the original clone outside in the ground after taking more cuttings that were viable. At some point the THH showed signs of damage like broken stems of decent diameter. I thought it might be vandalism but have no real neighbors and wet swampy ground on both sides of property making entry unlikely imho but eventually some days later I saw further damage and more serious. I cleaned up the wounds and added another stake and tied the trunk with large bonsai clips. Eventually upon checking her, there appeared to be balls growing on her top flower!!! I was incredulous to say the least. I snipped out the balls and hoped that was the end of that. Within days the balls re appeared forcing me to chop her AND the clones I had just potted up into 3 gallons of soil. I pulled all the clones as well.

I’m not sure but thinking maybe the rabbits (which are not in huge numbers but steady always) were doing the damage. The odd thing is I had other plants outside in the ground and none of them were damaged and within 10-15’ of the THH

This is the first time in 5-6 years at this location I’ve put any plants directly in the ground. Very odd that the only plant damaged was the THH and enough to cause her to hermie!!!

This plant is always full of surprises

Understanding is never finished
 
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