CharlesU Farley
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Wtmkf... like whiteberrieS, you're just not worth it.
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Tom Hill Haze
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acespicoli
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Lets get this back on track and drop everything elseBeen a little off topic myself apologies
acespicoli
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If the holy grail cant be found in the seeds floating around in here... your not looking
Seen several people here find "the one" pheno Tom's alone
Cannabis Seed Morphology
Please share some of your seed pics here as well A multivariate analysis of morphological divergence of “seeds” (achenes) among ruderal, fibre, oilseed, dioecious/monoecious and marijuana variants of Cannabis sativa L. https://doi.org/10.1248/yakushi.130.237
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encourage others to post seed examples theres alot to be gleaned there
I don't care what people say about me either. I'm too old to care.
All I've grown in the last 3 years are hazes. I've not found any grade A weed. Finding the one can be very different for each of us. If someone finds theirs great but I have not. IME Out crosses made from haze have been far superior to the hazes I've grown so far. I'd like to see pics of any exceptional haze just for a visual representation. I wouldn't know how good until I tried some. I've not popped Tom's seeds yet. Those will be my last attempts to find an exceptional haze.
If the holy grail cant be found in the seeds floating around in here... your not looking
Seen several people here find "the one" pheno Tom's alone
went ahead and documented a large assortment of haze^^^seeds hereCannabis Seed Morphology
Please share some of your seed pics here as well A multivariate analysis of morphological divergence of “seeds” (achenes) among ruderal, fibre, oilseed, dioecious/monoecious and marijuana variants of Cannabis sativa L. https://doi.org/10.1248/yakushi.130.237www.icmag.com
encourage others to post seed examples theres alot to be gleaned there
All I've grown in the last 3 years are hazes. I've not found any grade A weed. Finding the one can be very different for each of us. If someone finds theirs great but I have not. IME Out crosses made from haze have been far superior to the hazes I've grown so far. I'd like to see pics of any exceptional haze just for a visual representation. I wouldn't know how good until I tried some. I've not popped Tom's seeds yet. Those will be my last attempts to find an exceptional haze.
Mimpi Manis
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I've concluded, that to a large extent, that trippy weed helped me understand and manage 'anxiety' in a really helpful way. Those first really trippy experiences could be quite a profound experience it has to be said. Sometimes it got quite uncomfortable. But there's a few opportunities to garner a little insight into the way one can use the experience to work through it. In my day, distraction and a good walk around and reassurance was a go to. Chucking people in the shower seemed to work usually. These days the go to seems to be the 'black pepper' fix? Advocated by Willie Nelson no less I believe? He reckons it works? Makes one wonder what the caryophyllene component in weed is about... given it oft turns up regularly enough in those trippy sativa's and Hazes? The comfort is learning in the midst of that high flying paranoia, eventually it will dissipate and you'll likely not be marooned for all time in the alternate Universe!
PS: It could be argued that one or two contributors in these hallowed files ended up exactly there? But I would never suggest that!
StickyBandit
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My family don't want edgy weed, are we looking in the wrong place? What weed is blissfully floaty and content?
I have a 100 grip from Tom and wondering what effects to expect from the other 95%
I also have quite a few strains/seeds in the fridge if someone could suggest another one plz?
I have a 100 grip from Tom and wondering what effects to expect from the other 95%
I also have quite a few strains/seeds in the fridge if someone could suggest another one plz?
Totally agree Wally. Medicating best done solo, not as a peer activity. What takes me a small vape, my mates require many and continuous cones. Low tolerance and stash diversity rocks. Took me 45 years to learn.
If you use only the unicorns or the 5%, your experience is greatly diminished. Some unicorns start a mids or worse, but after long careful cures, they turn into something unique and magical.
Hard to be specific but a lot of hybrids would suit.
AK47 always stood out to me. I too like euphoric warm hug stones, blissful. While those edgy sativas that make one look in the bathroom mirror, are really pleasant for a long time, once you relax and pass the paranoid edge.
Early 1980s Purple Haze
Not to spoil this topic to much with it, but its partly a chemical reaction (maillard reaction) and fermentation, because they found Bacterial endophytes capable of fermentation and with strong heat resistance have been identified in common garlic and black garlic.You ever make black garlic? I have a few times, I’m pretty sure it isn’t fermented brother
Never made myself, but bought a bulb several times. It has an unique Umami flavor. It reminds me of Maggi.
Billybumfluff
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Turn your phone on the side.
acespicoli
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Many will find what they are looking for in 100 plants we seed 100 and find males/females ratio:ratio
Maybe 5 keepers in 100 plants.... thats the 5% rule?
Tom has said it's closer to 3% and thats likely the female portion, where the males your not sure until they are tested for GCA general combining ability. With haze and I say take this with a grain of salt...
Haze was bred from a small gift of seed from a undisclosed donor, then for the following years alternate males were used with the best females this occurred for a few years. SamS has not ibl'd the line but tried to retain all phenos in the polyhybrid line. The article posted earlier a few pages back in the HT interview clearly states they never know how the seeds will be until they harvest
This should explain the lack of inbreeding depression, the diversity of phenos, as well as the 3%
SamS has said he would have to grow 10,000 plants to reproduce rework the haze or skunk of today
The natural percentage of mutants 1:1000 he wants 10 plants to work thru GCA
He would do a 10x10 and examine those for the best combining ability for f1 of the genetic markers
This would be worked for several generations until the best are worked into seed that appears like clones
Remember he keeps kilos of his first P1 lines as backups
Naturally Occurring Triploidy in Cannabis
Plants 2023, 12(23), 3927; https://doi.org/10.3390/plants12233927(albiet a small population tested...selfing results in more keepers)
Atlas I digress... the subject matter that is of importance is @Hammerhead ,
You are a cannaseur your best is likely 1:1,000, how many will grow 1,000 and save that cut and share it ?
Seen your keepers posted in your breeding fine work,
do you find that males are dominant to type in crosses?
Will using a male Deep Chunk turn the line of what you cross it to to Deep Chunk?
Have your male haze crosses gone into f2, f3, etc
If we breed for chemovars right, cannabinoid profiles which male is preferred?
SamS preferred the male haze, DJ preferred working his strains to the male of the Indica side...
Oregon Indica (The Seed Bank) :: Cannabis Strain Info
Released 1985 via Nevilles seed catalogA popular variety in Amsterdam, and a commercial success. Top prices are paid for the sinsemilla of this variety.Flowers in September...
en.seedfinder.eu
| Name of the strain | Breeder | Flower Days |
| Pure Haze | Breeder Choice Organisation | 150 |
| Oldtimer's Haze | ACE Seeds | 140 |
| Original Haze | MadMacs Magic Haze Seeds | 140 |
| Green Haze | ACE Seeds | 126 |
| Mekong Haze | Delta 9 Labs | 126 |
| Purple Haze | ACE Seeds | 126 |
| Purple Haze x Panama F1 | ACE Seeds | 126 |
| Purple Haze x Thai | ACE Seeds | 126 |
| Haze-4-Dayz | Boneyard Seeds Norcal | 121 |
| Haze | BlueHemp Switzerland | 120 |
| Green Haze x Thai | ACE Seeds | 119 |
| Green Honduras Haze | ACE Seeds | 112 |
| Purple Honduras Haze | ACE Seeds | 112 |
| Dart 3/4 Haze | White Buffalo Seed Collective | 110 |
| Malawi Haze | White Buffalo Seed Collective | 110 |
| Original Haze x Lambsbread (Aka: Lambs Bread Haze) | SnowHigh Seeds | 107 |
| Green Haze x Malawi | ACE Seeds | 102 |
| Oaxacanama Haze | The Landrace Team | 102 |
| Purple Haze x Malawi | ACE Seeds | 102 |
| Congo Haze 2023 | White Buffalo Seed Collective | 100 |
| Golden Haze | Dr Greenthumb | 100 |
| Hawaiian Haze | Cosmic Wisdom | 100 |
| Original Haze | Authentic Genetics | 100 |
| Angola Haze | White Buffalo Seed Collective | 98 |
| Haze bros original Haze | Reefermans Seeds | 98 |
| Nepal Haze | Cannabiogen | 98 |
| The original Haze | Flying Dutchmen | 98 |
| Original Haze | Seedsman | 95 |
| Senegal Haze | Afropips Seeds | 95 |
| Neville's Haze | Green House Seeds | 91 |
| Jamaican 3/4 Haze | White Buffalo Seed Collective | 90 |
| Volcano Haze | White Buffalo Seed Collective | 90 |
| Kees’ Old School Haze | Super Sativa Seed Club | 88 |
| Congo Creek Haze | White Buffalo Seed Collective | 84 |
| Hawaiian Haze | Abraxas Seeds | 84 |
| Humpty Doo Haze | Koala Seeds | 84 |
| Nepal Haze | ACE Seeds | 84 |
| Hazey High | Tropical Seeds Company | 81 |
| Accidental Haze | Reefermans Seeds | 80 |
| Cambodian x Haze | Reefermans Seeds | 80 |
| Haze | Sativa Seedbank | 78 |
| Bushmans x Haze | The Average S.C. | 77 |
| Mekanika Haze | Plantformers | 77 |
derailed this thread again ?| Name of the strain | |
| Haze | 105 |
| X18 | 63 |
| Deep Chunk | 56 |
| Pine Tar Kush | ? |
Tom Hills Haze Description
Haze is a four-way hybrid of some of the finest narrow-leaf tropicals that the world has ever known (Mexico, Colombia, S. India, Thailand), so the legend goes. A long flowering plant that gives wispy yields of the highest quality. This line is out of Sam Skunkmans stock by way of Positronics seeds ("Original Haze") circa mid 1990's. It does not breed true for its intoxicating properties, however the best examples (approx 5%) are electrifyingly cerebral. For decades, words have utterly failed to fully capture the intensity of effect that a good example of Haze can give - it is absolutely in a league of its own and must be experienced. Indoor flowering 14 to 16 weeks
Type: Mostly Sativa
Flowering: 14-16 weeks
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looks exactly like Purple Haze version of Oldtimer's Haze grown here in the Mediterranean at 37ºN.
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Wouldn't be surprised about that. Saw several shots of the Oldtimer's Haze you sell, only never heard or read of nag champa aroma phenotypes in this Haze.
GrandpaMillenial
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still no luck, its an old iphone X
i logged in on the forums on a laptop a few times, and i was a bit shocked to see everyones signatures with grows listed lol
Sams is up there in age. If he hasn't started any project I find it unlikely he ever will. He doesn't post anymore to give us any idea what he's doing.. He should pass them on to someone who will work them into something. It would be a shame if all were lost when he passes. The exceptional haze plants are very rare. 1:1k is prob correct. Sam has said its best used for breeding. Ive found that to be true. I've found plenty of average quality haze. None have been the creme of the crop. If I don't find something in Toms seeds I'll be done with haze and focus only on outcrossing it.Many will find what they are looking for in 100 plants we seed 100 and find males/females ratio:ratio
Maybe 5 keepers in 100 plants.... thats the 5% rule?
Tom has said it's closer to 3% and thats likely the female portion, where the males your not sure until they are tested for GCA general combining ability. With haze and I say take this with a grain of salt...
Haze was bred from a small gift of seed from a undisclosed donor, then for the following years alternate males were used with the best females this occurred for a few years. SamS has not ibl'd the line but tried to retain all phenos in the polyhybrid line. The article posted earlier a few pages back in the HT interview clearly states they never know how the seeds will be until they harvest
This should explain the lack of inbreeding depression, the diversity of phenos, as well as the 3%
SamS has said he would have to grow 10,000 plants to reproduce rework the haze or skunk of today
The natural percentage of mutants 1:1000 he wants 10 plants to work thru GCA
He would do a 10x10 and examine those for the best combining ability for f1 of the genetic markers
This would be worked for several generations until the best are worked into seed that appears like clones
Remember he keeps kilos of his first P1 lines as backups
Naturally Occurring Triploidy in Cannabis
Plants 2023, 12(23), 3927; https://doi.org/10.3390/plants12233927
View attachment 19063793
(albiet a small population tested...selfing results in more keepers)
Atlas I digress... the subject matter that is of importance is @Hammerhead ,
You are a cannaseur your best is likely 1:1,000, how many will grow 1,000 and save that cut and share it ?
Seen your keepers posted in your breeding fine work,
do you find that males are dominant to type in crosses?
Will using a male Deep Chunk turn the line of what you cross it to to Deep Chunk?
Have your male haze crosses gone into f2, f3, etc
If we breed for chemovars right, cannabinoid profiles which male is preferred?
SamS preferred the male haze, DJ preferred working his strains to the male of the Indica side...
Oregon Indica (The Seed Bank) :: Cannabis Strain Info
Released 1985 via Nevilles seed catalogA popular variety in Amsterdam, and a commercial success. Top prices are paid for the sinsemilla of this variety.Flowers in September...Kinda random? Call me crazy
Name of the strain Breeder Flower Days Pure Haze Breeder Choice Organisation 150 Oldtimer's Haze ACE Seeds 140 Original Haze MadMacs Magic Haze Seeds 140 Green Haze ACE Seeds 126 Mekong Haze Delta 9 Labs 126 Purple Haze ACE Seeds 126 Purple Haze x Panama F1 ACE Seeds 126 Purple Haze x Thai ACE Seeds 126 Haze-4-Dayz Boneyard Seeds Norcal 121 Haze BlueHemp Switzerland 120 Green Haze x Thai ACE Seeds 119 Green Honduras Haze ACE Seeds 112 Purple Honduras Haze ACE Seeds 112 Dart 3/4 Haze White Buffalo Seed Collective 110 Malawi Haze White Buffalo Seed Collective 110 Original Haze x Lambsbread (Aka: Lambs Bread Haze) SnowHigh Seeds 107 Green Haze x Malawi ACE Seeds 102 Oaxacanama Haze The Landrace Team 102 Purple Haze x Malawi ACE Seeds 102 Congo Haze 2023 White Buffalo Seed Collective 100 Golden Haze Dr Greenthumb 100 Hawaiian Haze Cosmic Wisdom 100 Original Haze Authentic Genetics 100 Angola Haze White Buffalo Seed Collective 98 Haze bros original Haze Reefermans Seeds 98 Nepal Haze Cannabiogen 98 The original Haze Flying Dutchmen 98 Original Haze Seedsman 95 Senegal Haze Afropips Seeds 95 Neville's Haze Green House Seeds 91 Jamaican 3/4 Haze White Buffalo Seed Collective 90 Volcano Haze White Buffalo Seed Collective 90 Kees’ Old School Haze Super Sativa Seed Club 88 Congo Creek Haze White Buffalo Seed Collective 84 Hawaiian Haze Abraxas Seeds 84 Humpty Doo Haze Koala Seeds 84 Nepal Haze ACE Seeds 84 Hazey High Tropical Seeds Company 81 Accidental Haze Reefermans Seeds 80 Cambodian x Haze Reefermans Seeds 80 Haze Sativa Seedbank 78 Bushmans x Haze The Average S.C. 77 Mekanika Haze Plantformers 77
Name of the strain Haze 105 X18 63 Deep Chunk 56 Pine Tar Kush ? Tom Hills Haze Description
Haze is a four-way hybrid of some of the finest narrow-leaf tropicals that the world has ever known (Mexico, Colombia, S. India, Thailand), so the legend goes. A long flowering plant that gives wispy yields of the highest quality. This line is out of Sam Skunkmans stock by way of Positronics seeds ("Original Haze") circa mid 1990's. It does not breed true for its intoxicating properties, however the best examples (approx 5%) are electrifyingly cerebral. For decades, words have utterly failed to fully capture the intensity of effect that a good example of Haze can give - it is absolutely in a league of its own and must be experienced. Indoor flowering 14 to 16 weeks
Type: Mostly Sativa
Flowering: 14-16 weeks
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