Tom Hill Haze

[Tom Hill]

Since you Been keeping it Real , Let’s stay on Track

I’m only Speaking on the Santa Cruz Original Haze , Not your Haze line or any Haze lines specifically .

I Believe it’s Clear from many Years that your Haze line Is Thai Dominant .
But Only Sams can Give specifics about that

RCC had nothing to do with the Santa Cruz Original Haze Origins or association with the Crews , Neither Did Sams . Aside from being a Neighbor I was told .

Sams was Not in SC until 1972 he admitted it soo obviously He can not Speak first Hand on those Prior Events

I’d bet my life RCC was never involved in any Original Haze Grow in the 70’s . Ask Him yourself my friend put him on to his first major outdoor Grow . His college mate

Ask Sams , well we both know how difficult that is

I said I would Not post anything about Sams but these conversations continue. Well there are some new post maybe you haven’t read it don’t recall

We both know the details about some things have changed over the years



It’s nothing to do with You or Todd ,The Story of 3 /4 Colombians evolved from Sams Post after my Article and Hooteroll posting


I see you both have a Respect or Relationship with RCC . I respect all he’s done and his many contributions . But he can’t Speak on the Original Haze Origins

I’ve spoke with Todd in Dm he couldn’t believe no Mexican in Haze . He is Close Friend with RCC , he can speak with him invite him here . Todd actually posted here briefly

I think his line shares similarities to yours by way of the variety of phenos expressed but definitely different.


Part of Sams post Below

I gave seeds to both the Original Haze growers in 1972 and also later, One used Thai and S Indian with his Haze in the very early 70's. The other grew the Thai but decided it was not as good as Haze and did not use it. The very first Original Haze was a crop of both green, lime green, purple, and other colors, all from Columbian, after that I am not sure and anyone that says they are, is just fooling themselves. One of the Haze growers RL told me a different story then the Original Haze guy that did it first up in the SC mountains and then in the next few years moved down to right by my house, less then a block away, the other Haze grower RL, who put out the OH poster lived a block the other side of my house. I had a friend "J" that used to help the SC mountain Haze grower, he was also a good friend of RCC, he told me all about the early Original Haze I never saw, as I got back to SC in early 1972. They both told me different stories, I did not care so much it was the Cannabis I was interested in.

I got about half way through that bigherb before I just pressed reply. You are wrong. You have always been wrong. Sam was always deeply involved. The haze bros shit was on the decline big time at the end. If not for Sam injecting Indian and Thai thus transgressive segregants that old Lumbo bullshit was in the crapper years ago. You do not understand it Sam understood it too late but Rob was there to document it all. He used you. He used you because he fucking spent the good shit on a posi release and lost it. This is what's going on kid.

 

[Tom Hill]

You and todd McCormick all the way lol lmfao

 

[Tom Hill]

You were there. You were asking the fucking questions. What, do you have some iQ 65 or some shit?

 

[MadMac]

Brother Mac

Respect for Keeping it cool

That’s what brother Hill should have proposed from jump . And gave you Flowers and appreciation for your Respect and efforts .

Then Some Flowers of what He Considers the Best of His line to have a understanding

We Won’t know until We are taught or have the experience’s

I’d love to Finally Taste Some Pure Haze , I’d Dream About an Original Haze Event .

I Recently judged the Second Annual piffcon maybe I could Help Judge this as well


1luvbigherb

thank you for da flowers
well i'll just have huge respect for the haze gang... Sam, Tom, Nevil...
and those others like Gypsy who went out to get rarest landrace for us ... unpollinated with western genetics....
i'll was often in A'dam... i'm living very close to it...
that's why i'll know much first hand... ;-)
growin since 89' ... first 20 years only outdoors ...
Sam's dutch genetic crosses where top notch... like the famous Durban Poison... finished begin mid october...
so whatever happend...
nothing can erase my respect & thanks for letting us enjoy those genetics...
and the haze is special.. as we see here and in you OHz thread...
sooo special that it is still famous beside all those hyped hybrids...
once you touch it you get addicted ...


M.

 

[Tom Hill]

Surely no man can be that much of an idiot? Burning bush was a Thai heavy o haze I was there I named it. Woops yeah no no Thai in haze... You going with that latter? You are an idiot if so.

 

[Tom Hill]

He been swimming around in a cesspool of euro dirtball for so long that he has decided it's ok to lie and roll out like that. Well, I ain't having it.

 

[Tom Hill]

Unless Sam, chimera, gypsy, any of these clowns comes and have the fucking balls to lie their asses off some more to my face, that is the last word kid.

 

[Tom Hill]

They all lieing and they know it

 

[bigherb]

I got about half way through that bigherb before I just pressed reply. You are wrong. You have always been wrong. Sam was always deeply involved. The haze bros shit was on the decline big time at the end. If not for Sam injecting Indian and Thai thus transgressive segregants that old Lumbo bullshit was in the crapper years ago. You do not understand it Sam understood it too late but Rob was there to document it all. He used you. He used you because he fucking spent the good shit on a posi release and lost it. This is what's going on kid.

SamS preserved the Original Haze in the late 70’s until leaving Cali and brought Stock to Holland that’s it.

Brother I was hoping for a fist Bump n beer convo .

I’m not debating , So you still believe RL n J are the Haze bros ?

I recently broke it all down to Hempy He didn’t even Reply you can only Imagine How Correct I must have been

I’m Happy to see you Back in Action OG
I hope you can Continue to give us your Jewls of Life and Haze . But leave that Negativity/ personal Beef where it belongs Not in this House

Sams partial post below

I just read all the posts from my last post #1945 to #2376.The seeds I sold to Nevil were all made by me mostly from Holland work.
I never sold any I collected from Haze I obtained from the Haze Bros. I sold my work.
J & G are the same guy. Almost all my OHaze seeds were from him.
I never sold any OHaze X S Indian Kerala or Thai as OHaze, I always called them OHaze X whatever.
Burning Bush was 100% pure OHaze I grew it in Calif and named it, RCC also smoked it with me, and loved it. That and another OHaze I called Cream De La Cream and another I called Mr Greasy even though it was a girl, it had very very streched laddery buds that even when dry and placed in a zip bag greased up the bag unbelievably, it was also hard to roll and keep a joint lit.
Nevil did not have OHaze seeds from before the 70's 80"s as he got his OHaze from me and I only sold him seeds I had made, all 100% OHaze, but not from the 60's or early 70's as I did not start making OHaze seeds until the mid 70's and in large amounts in the 80's in Holland. I think I sold him seeds I made in Holland after 85'.



1luvbigherb

 

[Tom Hill]

Tryna make me out to be some kinda chump here I am, you fucking lying cocksuckers.

 

[Tom Hill]

SamS preserved the Original Haze in the late 70’s until leaving Cali and brought Stock to Holland that’s it.

Brother I was hoping for a fist Bump n beer convo .

I’m not debating , So you still believe RL n J are the Haze bros ?

I recently broke it all down to Hempy He didn’t even Reply you can only Imagine How Correct I must have been

I’m Happy to see you Back in Action OG
I hope you can Continue to give us your Jewls of Life and Haze . But leave that Negativity/ personal Beef where it belongs Not in this House

Sams partial post below

I just read all the posts from my last post #1945 to #2376.The seeds I sold to Nevil were all made by me mostly from Holland work.
I never sold any I collected from Haze I obtained from the Haze Bros. I sold my work.
J & G are the same guy. Almost all my OHaze seeds were from him.
I never sold any OHaze X S Indian Kerala or Thai as OHaze, I always called them OHaze X whatever.
Burning Bush was 100% pure OHaze I grew it in Calif and named it, RCC also smoked it with me, and loved it. That and another OHaze I called Cream De La Cream and another I called Mr Greasy even though it was a girl, it had very very streched laddery buds that even when dry and placed in a zip bag greased up the bag unbelievably, it was also hard to roll and keep a joint lit.
Nevil did not have OHaze seeds from before the 70's 80"s as he got his OHaze from me and I only sold him seeds I had made, all 100% OHaze, but not from the 60's or early 70's as I did not start making OHaze seeds until the mid 70's and in large amounts in the 80's in Holland. I think I sold him seeds I made in Holland after 85'.



1luvbigherb

Again dude you never really had much to say I get about a paragraph in and I don't read the rest. If you got something to say fucking say it and don't dick around with your words stop waxing on forever.

 

[Tom Hill]

I told you what happened in very few words. You been used to sell what Sam has left lol

 

[Tom Hill]

Use as few words to talk to me. I do not value your input more than about a paragraph lol

 

[bigherb]

thank you for da flowers
well i'll just have huge respect for the haze gang... Sam, Tom, Nevil...
and those others like Gypsy who went out to get rarest landrace for us ... unpollinated with western genetics....
i'll was often in A'dam... i'm living very close to it...
that's why i'll know much first hand... ;-)
growin since 89' ... first 20 years only outdoors ...
Sam's dutch genetic crosses where top notch... like the famous Durban Poison... finished begin mid october...
so whatever happend...
nothing can erase my respect & thanks for letting us enjoy those genetics...
and the haze is special.. as we see here and in you OHz thread...
sooo special that it is still famous beside all those hyped hybrids...
once you touch it you get addicted ...


M.

Respect to All mentioned

We must Give Credit where it’s Due and some don’t get enough or never get it at all .

It’s important to keep History Alive , Soo we must pass it Down to never forget the Truth and share it before no one is left to tell it .

We must Also Preserve and pass down Genetics for the future Generations

Thanks to All the Haze Fathers and n Family . For sharing your Work Your Efforts stories your experiences , Especially your Seeds for the Community to Enjoy

I Think there is Going to be Much More Magic to come , with all the Different Haze work being done . Haze for Days and Flavors in many ways

1luvbigherb

 

[Tom Hill]

SamS preserved the Original Haze in the late 70’s until leaving Cali and brought Stock to Holland that’s it.

Brother I was hoping for a fist Bump n beer convo .

I’m not debating , So you still believe RL n J are the Haze bros ?

I recently broke it all down to Hempy He didn’t even Reply you can only Imagine How Correct I must have been

I’m Happy to see you Back in Action OG
I hope you can Continue to give us your Jewls of Life and Haze . But leave that Negativity/ personal Beef where it belongs Not in this House

Sams partial post below

I just read all the posts from my last post #1945 to #2376.The seeds I sold to Nevil were all made by me mostly from Holland work.
I never sold any I collected from Haze I obtained from the Haze Bros. I sold my work.
J & G are the same guy. Almost all my OHaze seeds were from him.
I never sold any OHaze X S Indian Kerala or Thai as OHaze, I always called them OHaze X whatever.
Burning Bush was 100% pure OHaze I grew it in Calif and named it, RCC also smoked it with me, and loved it. That and another OHaze I called Cream De La Cream and another I called Mr Greasy even though it was a girl, it had very very streched laddery buds that even when dry and placed in a zip bag greased up the bag unbelievably, it was also hard to roll and keep a joint lit.
Nevil did not have OHaze seeds from before the 70's 80"s as he got his OHaze from me and I only sold him seeds I had made, all 100% OHaze, but not from the 60's or early 70's as I did not start making OHaze seeds until the mid 70's and in large amounts in the 80's in Holland. I think I sold him seeds I made in Holland after 85'.



1luvbigherb

Ah I read it now yeah Sam is fucking lying.

 

[Tom Hill]

It totally sucks too because he used to be one of the only guys there that didn't lie.

 

[Tom Hill]

It's just how it is. You spend enough time around douchebags, you eventually start douching out man.

 

[Tom Hill]

That stingy dry sieve should have clued you guys in, he has lost the fucking plot.

 

[harvestreaper]

i always had a sneaking suspicion haze is just some old hemp sam piked up and the whole story a load of shite ,,,oops did i say out loud lol

 

[harvestreaper]

That stingy dry sieve should have clued you guys in, he has lost the fucking plot.

see that really impressed me a k of dry sieve,,,, what would a passing alien want as to hard to come by commodities from earths bounty you might try sams sieve lol there ya go ive cracked the code sam lied because he dealing intergalactically now and who could blame him lol