GrandpaMillenial
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what about using p1, p2 for inbreeding a line and f1, f2 for crosses?
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Tom Hill Haze
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what about using p1, p2 for inbreeding a line and f1, f2 for crosses?
Doesnt matter same applies. The filial generation should always be included in genetic info. Not many use P for Parental generation anymore. It is the correct way to list the parents but F/S is what is used 99% of the time good or bad it is what it is. I would rather have that than nothing.
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Does anyone know the current filial generation for any of the pure hazes?
If not, what's your suggestion for honest labeling? Fn+1?
Yes "Fn+" seems correct. I asked Tom once about it but he didn't gave me a straight answer on that labeling topic...
I have Tom Haze I call Fn+2 as it's one generation removed since Raco's last reproduction (from Tom's originals) in Spain and some DC Fn+1. I'm trying to remember if X-18 seeds sold in Tom's original packaging was also a part of that seed increase made in Spain, I think they were along DC...
If so I would say they're F+1 too, but sincerely I honestly don't think it matter too much as it's just for our own personal idea as far as we're capable to trace things, many of those lines were already very ancient when Tom or other old timers were shared those things... They probably received something like DC at Fn+258 before even starting working it lol
I have Tom Haze I call Fn+2 as it's one generation removed since Raco's last reproduction (from Tom's originals) in Spain and some DC Fn+1. I'm trying to remember if X-18 seeds sold in Tom's original packaging was also a part of that seed increase made in Spain, I think they were along DC...
If so I would say they're F+1 too, but sincerely I honestly don't think it matter too much as it's just for our own personal idea as far as we're capable to trace things, many of those lines were already very ancient when Tom or other old timers were shared those things... They probably received something like DC at Fn+258 before even starting working it lol
I completely agree it's extremely important. The catch is that labeling something an F2 that's already an unknown number of generations of inbreeding along is worse than guessing - it's just plain wrong.
If that level of honesty were the rule - man, there'd be a lot less named 'varieties'!
Nothing is off I'll just slur my words from time to time lol.
Madmacc sent out this shit clone he calls toms best and it makes me feel some kinda way.
Chimera came in here and told everybody years ago he has my cheddar and been tryna pay me for years he lying and that make me feel some kinda way.
Sam been saying for decades how his fave o haze is the lime green with some Thai them poof no Thai in haze when he gets in bed with that douchebag Todd and that make me feel some kinda way.
I'm sorry i don't intentionally blow folk off what is the question?
I think I understand it but not completely sure. The Spain hazework I think comes mostly from previous '03 open pollination. It sometimes gets tricky for example my current run comes from 200 cells 1 seed each from '03, and 100 cells wet out 3 seed each of '96 open pollination, and '97-'02 half sib selection. On top of Sams description of being 16 gens inbred lol. So how the fuck do I know lol.
As far as my own history with haze I got it from Positronics in the winter of 94-95 grew out 10 of 75 or something in '95. Shit my pants on one and open pollinated the rest in in '96. From '97-'02 I did half sib selection - seed taken from my favorite females x male pollen mixes. In '03 I open pollinated, in '09 I open pollinated. In late '22 I grabbed all the oldest seed I had and am in the middle of an open pollination now.
That's the other thing that gets under my skin. You see that 20 years inbred? Yeah that was a big chest thump back in the day. But make no mistake those are Sam's words. The one I read was actually hand written in Sams hand and said 16 gens Mexican/Lumbo/s india/ thai. These days. Now that folk know more, they busy yacking on about how few gens they put on this or that. Yeah right man lol. When once you practice and all that.
I believe that I started the n+1, n+2 etc thing here when speaking about DC,Moños Rojos etc.
I borrowed the term n+1 from MJ Botany,but Clarke wrote about aneuploid seeds ...2n+1 i.e.
Been said that ,if you dont know the pedigree of the plants you are working with ,your project, just call them fn....your P1s.
Call fn+1 your first repro,and so on
I borrowed the term n+1 from MJ Botany,but Clarke wrote about aneuploid seeds ...2n+1 i.e.
Been said that ,if you dont know the pedigree of the plants you are working with ,your project, just call them fn....your P1s.
Call fn+1 your first repro,and so on
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I think it's a language thing. He uses UK terms when describing stuff. Knowing this I didn't take it as implying it was your best. It's his best found so far in THH seeds.. I would bet he was trying to compliment.
What he likes can be way off from what someone else likes. Nothing wrong with using @MadMac best THH instead.
A person's experience using a wide range of cannabis that dates back to the 70s helped a lot in knowing those rare lost high-quality plants we use to have. Growing up in an area like Ben Lomond Cali starting in the 70s all through until 2005 when I moved to PNW for a spell had the best weed passing through which def helped us grow/breed our own. There isn't many old heads left alive anymore. Gotta pass on that knowledge as best we can. I'll be lucky if I have another 10 years left in me. Honestly start making your own again my friend. I'm sure all would rather buy seeds made by you, I sure would. I hope you got another 25 years or more in ya. It won't get easier lol.
I prolly over act a little lol. Especially when I feel folk are calling me a liar. Like when I read online that the shit I grow comes down from haze 19 and I have no clue what haze 19 is and you guys were not there you just running off at the mouth I just wanna ring your necks 
Vegg69guerilla
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Well there's a revelation!!!!
Correct. It's like Rob Clarke said in the origin of the species article Sam had his chance to refute it but said Rob was indeed correct. Thai was the final input, therefore the Haze that is Thai heavy is 50% Thai.
The shit that is leathery teak like common in Dutch hazes as Rob says is Lumbo. Sam been saying for decades, literally decades! The best is the lime green with Thai. Period, end of. I know, and happen to agree, and none of you fuckers get to change history on me.
