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Anyone here use tiger bloom every time thy water in flower?
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Prone_2_Clone
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i use it two waterings and then straight water form and aquarium, are you concerned about nute burn or just curious what would happen
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I've been using it every watering,just wondering if anyones overfed their plants that way
Prone_2_Clone
New member
i havent had any problems with it but i slowly brought my plants up to speed with their nutes
sensirocker
Member
I dont really think the plants need it every watering if you water/feed them every 3 days. I either switch off from feed to water only every three days, or use half strength feed every watering.
G
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I water every 4th or 5th day,larger flowering plants should receive anywhere from 800-1400 PPM from what I've read.Is that 800 PPM tiger bloom or 800 PPM for everything(LK calmag if used etc)?I think a teaspoon of tiger bloom is about 400PPM I checked long agowith my pen which gathers dust anymore.I got a new one with my RO unit tomorrow I'll know how many PPms it is.I've been feeding 2 tsp every 5th day with nice results so far,I think they eat more with co2 but I dont want to screw up.This is the first grow using 2 tsp I finally have my co2 correct.My biggest concern is switching from tapwater to R/o in the middle of a grow,only a few select blockhead got dehumid water lol.I know I cant just yank the calcium and magnesium they;ve been used to so I'll use calmag plus.I dont think 2 tsp is too much the way they're growing but I'd like to know if anyone else uses 2 throughout flower.
A friend who I got into growing mis-understood my instructions, and he watered w/ it every single time @ about 1 tablespoon/gallon TB and no "big bloom" for the entire flower cycle. (this was in FFOF soil). The plants never complained, and they had extremely dense nugs.....far more dense than when he adjusted his nute regimine on the next round. (strain was white widow)
socal420girl
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ballastman: I'm in my first grow here - have 3 clones that I vegged for 7 weeks and are 44 days into flower now. I've used the FF Grow Big during veg and went to the FF feeding schedule about 3 weeks into flower (I didn't have it from the beginning of flower). I used 1/4 of what the bottles say from the start, especially if you're using tap water (I am)...
I've read so many threads and articles on the Fox Farm products, and everybody says very good things about them. There are a lot of people who use FF Tiger Bloom who agree on one other thing: it brings your PH way down, so be careful of that. None of the other products are mentioned when speaking of this. A lot of people don't really realize it in the first 3-4 weeks of flower, so keep tabs on your PH when you first start using it. You can recover from it, but if we know this ahead of time, we can avoid any potention problems - therefore, let's share!!
I haven't done any experimentation as to what product does what to my water, but I can tell you that after mixing my ferts, my tap water goes from 8.4pH to 5.8pH... that's quite a bit, so check your water regularly!
FYI... This was my feeding schedule the last 2 weeks (4-6 weeks into flower) and the same happened with both. Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), I didn't have a good Ph or TDS meter until then... (I also do my feeding as follows: Feed, water+sweet, water+sweet [if the third watering is within 5-6 days of feeding], Feed, etc.).
A little Ph & TDS info with my past two feedings:
3/3/07
Tested tap water: Ph: 8.4
TDS: 422
Fed: Grow Big 2 tsp/gal
Tiger Bloom 2 tsp/gal
Big Bloom 2 tblsp/gal
Open Sesame 1/2 tsp/gal
Sweet 20 ml/gal
Total PPM's (per my calcs and I'm new at it) = 1360 + 422 (tap water)
After mixing the nutes into my 8.4 Ph tap water...
Ph: 5.8
TDS: 1344
The run-off was 5.8 with the nutes were about 1400 PPM (average between the three)
3/9/07
Tested tap water: Ph: 8.1
TDS: 393
Fed: Grow Big 2 tsp/gal
Tiger Bloom 2 tsp/gal
Big Bloom 2 tblsp/gal
Beastie Bloomz 1/2 tsp/gal
Sweet 20 ml/gal
Total PPM's (per my calcs and I'm new at it) = 1500 + 422 (tap water)
After mixing the nutes into my 8.1 Ph tap water...
Ph: 6.0 (after adding about 1/2 gallon of water when it tested 5.9 first)
TDS: 1280 (was 1333 before the 1/2 gallon of 8.1 tap water)
I'm also using the FF Ocean Forest soil, in 3.3 gallon pots.
Sorry this is long, but if you're going to use the Tiger Bloom every feeding, make sure your pH and TDS readings are still where you want them to be. If you haven't started flower yet, you asked at the right time - at least according to many others that I've learned from. Maybe you can enlighten me with your experiences!!
Good luck and happy growing!!
I've read so many threads and articles on the Fox Farm products, and everybody says very good things about them. There are a lot of people who use FF Tiger Bloom who agree on one other thing: it brings your PH way down, so be careful of that. None of the other products are mentioned when speaking of this. A lot of people don't really realize it in the first 3-4 weeks of flower, so keep tabs on your PH when you first start using it. You can recover from it, but if we know this ahead of time, we can avoid any potention problems - therefore, let's share!!
I haven't done any experimentation as to what product does what to my water, but I can tell you that after mixing my ferts, my tap water goes from 8.4pH to 5.8pH... that's quite a bit, so check your water regularly!
FYI... This was my feeding schedule the last 2 weeks (4-6 weeks into flower) and the same happened with both. Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), I didn't have a good Ph or TDS meter until then... (I also do my feeding as follows: Feed, water+sweet, water+sweet [if the third watering is within 5-6 days of feeding], Feed, etc.).
A little Ph & TDS info with my past two feedings:
3/3/07
Tested tap water: Ph: 8.4
TDS: 422
Fed: Grow Big 2 tsp/gal
Tiger Bloom 2 tsp/gal
Big Bloom 2 tblsp/gal
Open Sesame 1/2 tsp/gal
Sweet 20 ml/gal
Total PPM's (per my calcs and I'm new at it) = 1360 + 422 (tap water)
After mixing the nutes into my 8.4 Ph tap water...
Ph: 5.8
TDS: 1344
The run-off was 5.8 with the nutes were about 1400 PPM (average between the three)
3/9/07
Tested tap water: Ph: 8.1
TDS: 393
Fed: Grow Big 2 tsp/gal
Tiger Bloom 2 tsp/gal
Big Bloom 2 tblsp/gal
Beastie Bloomz 1/2 tsp/gal
Sweet 20 ml/gal
Total PPM's (per my calcs and I'm new at it) = 1500 + 422 (tap water)
After mixing the nutes into my 8.1 Ph tap water...
Ph: 6.0 (after adding about 1/2 gallon of water when it tested 5.9 first)
TDS: 1280 (was 1333 before the 1/2 gallon of 8.1 tap water)
I'm also using the FF Ocean Forest soil, in 3.3 gallon pots.
Sorry this is long, but if you're going to use the Tiger Bloom every feeding, make sure your pH and TDS readings are still where you want them to be. If you haven't started flower yet, you asked at the right time - at least according to many others that I've learned from. Maybe you can enlighten me with your experiences!!
Good luck and happy growing!!
G
Guest
8.4 PH and TDs 422,I'd say you just gave yourself away Floridagal lol.Mine was also over 400 just got an RO system put in.You might find it beneficial to stay with the grow big or whatever veg fert you use for the first 2-3 weeks of 12/12,it'll add a lot more foliage resulting in better yield.I give my donor plants a good shot of tiger bloom right before taking cuts and going 12/12,then its back to grow big during the "stretch".I'm going to stay with 2 teaspoons every time until I see something negative because it seems to be about right with co2 enrichment.I've used 1 teaspoon all the way through with slightly smaller flowering plants but never two teaspoons.
G
Guest
Here's how mine came out.Tiger bloom is about 450 PPms per teaspoon,2 teaspoons is 900 PPM.Add 2 teaspoons liquid Karma equals 1200 PPM add 1 teaspoon calmag plus 1400 PPM,perfect for large flowering plants IMO.
G
Guest
Question:I need 2 teaspoons PH up to bring the ph up to par,it brings total PPM's to 1700 but thats not counted in the total,is it?
Legit_User
Member
Sure is.
Try mixing your nutes 24 hours in advance and it will cut down on the need for so much ph up.
Is that 2tsp per gallon?
I only have to add a few drops with R/O water and FF nutes.
Watch out, that ph up will lock out nutes.
Stay peaceful
Try mixing your nutes 24 hours in advance and it will cut down on the need for so much ph up.
Is that 2tsp per gallon?
I only have to add a few drops with R/O water and FF nutes.
Watch out, that ph up will lock out nutes.
Stay peaceful
G
Guest
Thanks for the advice,yea actually about 1 3/4 teaspoons to get me up to 6.5,does seem like a lot but always had to use that much with tapwater.I'll try mixing in advance next time.Only 24 hours huh?
G
Guest
Legit User where did you come by that info I just did a google check and found nothing on that,I'm not doubting you bro just wondering what your source is.I always thought that GH Ph up and down were specifically for horticultural use and wouldnt cause any problems like that.I'd like to know the truth on the matter for sure though
G
Guest
Man you just had me goin bro,I realized that the ph up I was using was the very last bit in a gallon jug,thought it may be bad and when I used the new ph up my shit would be blue,or worse lol.Nope 1 3/4 teaspoon gives me a perfect 6.5
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Man that was five hard hoursmy aching back lol.Legit User still waiting to hear from you bro,I know you wouldnt make a blanket statement about something so important without anything to back it up.I found nothing zilch zero about GH Ph up or down locking out nutes
Legit_User
Member
(Quote from plant abuse chart) Potassium - Too much sodium (Na) displaces K, causing a K deficiency. Sources of high salinity are: baking soda (sodium bicarbonate "pH-up"), too much manure, and the use of water-softening filters (which should not be used). If the problem is Na, flush the soil. K can get locked up from too much Ca or ammonium nitrogen, and possibly cold weather.
I also just realized that your using GH. GH is alot weaker than most ph adjuster's.
I use some ph stuff called "mad farmer" and it takes less than half as much but I guess that doesn't mean I use less, it's just more concentrated. (my bad
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I still say 300 ppm of ph up is alot.
I use a 33 gallon tub and fill it up, mix my nutes and let it sit for 24 hours. I do stir it or I will use an air stone in there.
After the 24 hours then I PH adjust.
Hope I helped a little.
Stay peaceful
I also just realized that your using GH. GH is alot weaker than most ph adjuster's.
I use some ph stuff called "mad farmer" and it takes less than half as much but I guess that doesn't mean I use less, it's just more concentrated. (my bad
) I still say 300 ppm of ph up is alot.
I use a 33 gallon tub and fill it up, mix my nutes and let it sit for 24 hours. I do stir it or I will use an air stone in there.
After the 24 hours then I PH adjust.
Hope I helped a little.
Stay peaceful
G
Guest
Thanks man I think soil is probably a lot more forgiving then hydro when it comes to nute lockouts,I buy the stuff by the gallon lol.I'm going to try mixing my nutes and letting them set out a day or two in 1 gal jugs,thanks for the tip.
G
Guest
Ihave used big bloom and tiger togather every watering for 1 year. last time i have cut it down to twice a week. never had any problems but i do notice bigger buds on the twice a week method. and with the cost of the stuff i will be sticking with twice a week. other waterings i still mix sweet leaf and sweet at max dosage.
