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This Season Has Already Been A Fucking Disaster

DuskrayTroubador

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Had plans to move up North to Maine before the season, looked for MONTHS for a good place, finally found one, and that shit fell through mid-May...

So I gotta rock another season in central Appalachia... Not a problem. Ain't my first rodeo.

Naturally, on such short notice, I'm pretty fucking late to the party. I got my first germinated seeds planted at the very end of May... they didn't make it. There hasn't been much rain here at the right times... the soil has been drying out too quickly and the germinated seeds never take off and sprout.

Still not a huge problem; I got those seeds replaced with 5 Spontanicas from KC Brains and they all sprouted into healthy seedlings. Cool.

So I have more holes dug, put more seeds in them, same fucking shit as the first time. Fucking great. So I'm left with 5 Spontanicas that were started LATE (germinated seeds went out June 4th... three days later than my Spontanicas last year, which went out on the first and each yielded between 1 & a half and 2lbs, so no biggie. I figure I can match that or even do better, since my soil is much better amended this year with insect frass, basalt rock dust, and gypsum.).

I go back to water/feed my Spontanica seedlings, which each have a 20oz clear plastic cup over them as a min-greenhouse and then a chicken wire cage. This is a picture of a plant from last year to show you how the cages are set up:
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But my seedlings now are much smaller and still under the cups, like so:
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So what the fuck do I find when I go to check on them today?

Some of those cups are not just knocked over, but laying outside of the cages. So the cages were still on the stake, but the cups were on the outside on a few of the plants. The cups that were placed overtop seeds that never sprouted, however, were also knocked over. One of the seedlings, which I had propped up my last visit, was again laying down on the ground (picked its 'head' up and was growing up again, but had obviously been knocked over).


^But this was only the case with some, two of the other plants were untouched. I did notice some sort of animal hole in one of the holes I dug, but it was one of the holes without a sprouted seedling. There may have been animal holes in the others, but I didn't see them, perhaps because of the hay I laid down?

Now already I'm thinking that either someone found my plot and was fucking around with the seedlings, but why knock over cups that have no seedlings under them? Also, my cups don't just blow over; I put sand around the outside of them to stop slugs/snails and also hold the cups in place a bit. Either someone found them, or an animal had a fucking field day and managed to move/lift the cages enough to knock the cups out, but not pull the cages totally off.

Now the nail in the coffin: there is a particularly thick bush at the plot that I sometimes store things under. Right now I have a freezer bag of basalt rock dust I haven't used yet and a gallon jug of water with a bit of insect frass 'tea' for the seedlings. The bush is thick enough that it can't be seen through, but I have a little cubby hole cut out at the bottom, big enough to reach through and grab shit. The jug with the tea was visibly moved outward toward the opening. It was basically in the cubby hole. There was still some tea in it, but it could have maybe seemed to have less than it did whenever I left it. I don't know if that's real or if I'm just paranoid and thinking the worst. Either way, it was less than a third full and definitely not too heavy for an animal to bump and move.

So basically, I think I'm fucked. I don't know if I should even go back... All 5 Spontanicas are growing very healthily, so those will be some big girls. But FUCK! I don't know if I want to risk it... especially if it's work being put in just to be ripped.

I've got seeds left, but this was the only spot I've prepped (due to short notice) and it was, I felt, my safest option. Too late to start photoperiods now... I've got autos, including KC45 and KC48 (which is supposed to be some sort of superauto with yields equal to photoperiods), but nowhere else from there to put them in any immediacy.

So basically, this season's been a fucking disaster. Fuck!

/rant
 

plantingplants

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Sorry you're off to a rough start. It sounds like animals and paranoia to me man. If the jug wasn't visible then an animal probably sniffed it out and got over it.

I had a plant in a 1 gal pot next to deer mesh fence and they somehow maneuvered it so the stalk was under the fence and they ate it all. Animals are crafty.

If you have the cash, get a trail cam out there to ease your troubled mind and get back to work. Good luck!
 

jbarsk8

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Duskray, you already know the answer sir. Much better to be safe than sorry. Im sorry for the stressful moments but youre safe and alive. Take it slow and assess the situation accordingly.
 

The Revolution

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I feel your pain. Ive been prepping this seasons grow for a while. Last year I had a few hundred seedlings devoured by slugs in May so I gave up then n there. This season for I'm once again battlng slugs but got something for they slimy ass this season. Ive lost a cpl hundred seeds before they even broke the surface due to nasty ass fungus gnat larvae. Ive planned for everything and I'm getting shit from the tiniest, minute pests we deal with. I'm not giving up this season. Bringing the fight.
Go with your gut man. Be safe. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Fight the good fight n do the good work. Best of luck to ya, hope your season turns around
 

pop_rocks

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man, that is sketch
i fondly remember the days of the great outdoors
i had the eye of an indian scout and would scrutinize every turned rock or snapped twig that looked out of place
so was your spot comprimised or was it jsut an animal getting its feast on?

one old trick was to leave a couple coins/dollar bills scattered near the plant
not in the open where wind would blow it away but in a spot where only meddling hands would touch them

animals can be dealt wiht and discouraged, people mean its time to gtfo

i feel for you man and best of luck
 
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aridbud

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Have had an assortment of animals "maul" or test/chew autos. If you found a hole nearby, I'm surmising it was one of them. Chicken wire under (roots) and over help curb their appetite.

Yep, autos "Plan B".
 

Tynehead Tom

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feeling your pain
it fricken snowed here today , about 2 inches, followed by monsoon style hail and a couple of hours of truly apocalyptic rainfall. My backyard plants are cold but sheltered however the 58 2 foot tall plants I put out over a week ago in their plots up the mountain.... I am praying they will survive. Will know tomorrow when I make the hike in.
 

MountainBudz

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im just getting started here in June in south eastern Ky myself. Sorry about your luck so far, sounds like either animals or birds to me. Birds seem to love to fuck with seedlings, I have personally observed this and they would knock those plastic covers over easily. I always give mine at least a two week start indoor before moving out.

Now don't lose your hopes man about getting started late in the season. I have been growing every year outdoor for the past 15 years off and on. Every year for the last 4 it seems as if i'm always getting a late start myself, same symptoms as you, worried, paranoid, fed up, consider autos, etc... My advice, for guerilla, do NOT use autos. Last year I put photo's out from June all the way up till mid August and the ones I put out in June I still averaged about 4 to 5 ounces per plant. These were started in June as well. The ones I started in July averaged about 2 ounces per and the ones started in August were anywhere from half oz to one oz per.

Don't give it up bro. I have butter bowl fulls of seeds ive collected over the years from old local grown bag seed shit that I have no idea or clue of the genetics. Start asking friends and dealers for seeds and keep an eye open on for really seedy bud. Dig small beds and place about 15 to 20 plants per bed of these "bag seed" plants and let them sex out naturally, cull the males when they show. If you go the hole route dig small holes about a foot deep by about 2 feet wide and place 3 per hole. Doing these anywhere and everywhere you will increase your ability to produce weight in the end. Its really easy man. Just don't let the paranoia get to you like it has me in the past. It will and is a guarantee to destroy you.

If you order seeds then you might wanna be able that your sure you can run them under a light for about 3 weeks or so to give them the best head start possible and not waste your money. But if you go the bag seed route you will be out no money and some of my best smoke ive ever grown come from unknown bag seed.

Of course this is not the best way to grow every year and i'm not saying that it is, but if your getting a late start then by all means this is the best course of action to take. Take my word on it Duskray, get those fuckers germing by the hundreds. You will not be disappointed and get this going right away. i'm short on time at the moment and I left tons of crucial information out and I know this advice is a little scattered but later when i have time i will go into further detail and assist you with any questions you may have.

Its even still possible to start multiple mothers now to provide yourself with mid July to early August clones/cuttings that will yield half to two ounces per if you get on the ball now and then you'll even have the assurance inside yourself knowing your not digging holes and busting your ass knowing you have chances of wasting that precious time for males. You have many options duskray. I'll catch up with you soon.

:tiphat:
 

MountainBudz

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And I forgot to add Duskray, if you feel like someone is honestly staking out or planning to rip your grow their are things you can do to find out. Very thin thread or fishing line tied about ankle or a bit higher level around the brush thats surrounding the plants, this is not to trip the person, so use something very fragile. This is an indicator of foot activity moving through the area. I have used it with success... Keep a really good eye out for foot prints as well. Maybe drop a nice looking pocket knife close to the plants to see if anyone takes that, if they are out there in the bush then obviously they love the outdoors and therefore they will generously take the knife.

One thing that has saved me multiple times is a trail cam. Make sure its a camo camera with night vision or infrared capabilities as well, if its not camo then get some camo duct tape and build it a ghilie suit. One thing about the camera though, always make sure you do not video or photograph yourself accidently when you visit your plots. Even better if you put out a few more dollars you can get one that will transmit live video feed/photos every time it senses or captures movement to your email account or smart phone and if you can get their quick enough you could sneak up and catch whoever it is or whatever it is and deal with it the way you would like to deal with it. Personally i'd fire some rounds up in the air (not at the person of course) from a distance and I guarantee you they wont come back. Wouldn't do them no good to go to the law because if you play it right THEY will be the ones visiting YOUR plots and your trail cam would prove this and if you avoid capturing your picture on there then obviously LEO would have thieves as suspects lol. Just relax and think this all out. Go with your gut bro.
 

MountainBudz

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feeling your pain
it fricken snowed here today , about 2 inches, followed by monsoon style hail and a couple of hours of truly apocalyptic rainfall. My backyard plants are cold but sheltered however the 58 2 foot tall plants I put out over a week ago in their plots up the mountain.... I am praying they will survive. Will know tomorrow when I make the hike in.

Hey buddy just curious on how that hike turned out? Everything still in good shape? Good luck buddy!
 

gorilla ganja

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You have to do what you feel is best, but like MountainBudz said it's not to late.
I'm still popping seed's and my season is much shorter than yours.
And about the prep, just find a good spot with some decent soil add a handful of 10-10-10 and pray. I've gotten decent results from less than decent soil.
Best of luck with whichever path you take.

Peace GG
 

Tynehead Tom

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Hey buddy just curious on how that hike turned out? Everything still in good shape? Good luck buddy!



it's not to far of a burn on my atv and doesn't take too long for me to stroll the creek. there is literally no one around I need to worry about so makes it easy. 1 or 2 are write offs, bent right at the stem and nearly covered in dirt from being pounded into the soil.
most look okay thankfully.
I did veg these ones to almost 2 foot before they went out so they are pretty hardy , lucky for me LOL
 

DuskrayTroubador

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Thanks for the words of encouragement, everyone. After reading your responses, I'm not ready to sit this one out just yet.

Here's what I'm gonna do: I've put some autos into germination earlier. I'm going out when they're ready to further assess the situation. Last I was there, I didn't see what looked like a human path or any footprints, so I might still be in the clear.

I'm going to plant autos in the same spot, though. I look at it like this: if I have plants finishing up at two different times, I'll either 1) get at least the autos 2) know what I'm dealing with if the autos get ripped when they're ready or 3) harvest everything.

The more I think about it, the better I feel, I think. If someone had stumbled upon it and was pissed, they'd either have ripped out/smashed the seedlings OR they wouldn't have been so careless to fuck things up and leave things so out of place while leaving the plants (because if they planned on calling the cops, they wouldn't want to clue the grower in, right?) Same goes for if they planned on coming back to rip... they would've left things as they were.

...then again, people are pretty fucking dumb.

Thoughts?

EDIT: I also found a new spot that I'm pretty sure I can get away with some of those superautos from KC Brains... Will be planting those in that spot as well.
 

Tynehead Tom

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yup it can be a shell game but sounds like you have a plan and some good advice here from folks.
I like the suggestion made to leave a folding knife or some simple item that no one could refuse. I'm an avid hunter and years ago I found a little honey hole mule deer spot after a long hike away from the roads. When my season came to a close I hung a ziplok sandwich baggie with a 20 dollar bill in it in clear sight on the game trail about 200yards in from the road. 3 years in a row it hung there, I'd smile as I came to find it each year. 4rth year it was missing , but so was the tree haha , it blew down and I never did find that baggie. never seen another hunter in there either, HA maybe I should plant some weed up in there LOLZ
good luck everybody
 

MountainBudz

⛽🦨 Kinebud and Heirloom Preservationist! 🦨 ⛽
Thanks for the words of encouragement, everyone. After reading your responses, I'm not ready to sit this one out just yet.

Here's what I'm gonna do: I've put some autos into germination earlier. I'm going out when they're ready to further assess the situation. Last I was there, I didn't see what looked like a human path or any footprints, so I might still be in the clear.

I'm going to plant autos in the same spot, though. I look at it like this: if I have plants finishing up at two different times, I'll either 1) get at least the autos 2) know what I'm dealing with if the autos get ripped when they're ready or 3) harvest everything.

The more I think about it, the better I feel, I think. If someone had stumbled upon it and was pissed, they'd either have ripped out/smashed the seedlings OR they wouldn't have been so careless to fuck things up and leave things so out of place while leaving the plants (because if they planned on calling the cops, they wouldn't want to clue the grower in, right?) Same goes for if they planned on coming back to rip... they would've left things as they were.

...then again, people are pretty fucking dumb.

Thoughts?

EDIT: I also found a new spot that I'm pretty sure I can get away with some of those superautos from KC Brains... Will be planting those in that spot as well.

Good.. now get out there and getter done!

The hand on the clock is rolling quickly to the end of the season, race that bitch and take first.

Hope to see pics and updates.

:tiphat:
 

MountainBudz

⛽🦨 Kinebud and Heirloom Preservationist! 🦨 ⛽
yup it can be a shell game but sounds like you have a plan and some good advice here from folks.
I like the suggestion made to leave a folding knife or some simple item that no one could refuse. I'm an avid hunter and years ago I found a little honey hole mule deer spot after a long hike away from the roads. When my season came to a close I hung a ziplok sandwich baggie with a 20 dollar bill in it in clear sight on the game trail about 200yards in from the road. 3 years in a row it hung there, I'd smile as I came to find it each year. 4rth year it was missing , but so was the tree haha , it blew down and I never did find that baggie. never seen another hunter in there either, HA maybe I should plant some weed up in there LOLZ
good luck everybody

That's a good story man. I enjoy good little reads like that, I had a spot like that once. I did decide to start growing there as well and ended up large scaling it for oh 3? 4 years? Then I went a little too much and black bird flew over, shit on it and ate it up. Never will go back again in my life. I still drive by the spot every year and just look at the place and get the feel of success I used to get after every harvest. I remember getting the phone call that they were flying the area hard and someone had seen the chopper go down. I should not have taken it for granite, if id used it just right I could have been successful there every year.

That was 3 years ago and still have not found a spot that good since. I do have one I started using last year that looks promising but now all I gotta do is keep from putting all my eggs "too close" into one basket.

Good to hear your grow was doing fine as well bro and you didn't attend to much loss. You mentioned snow, lol. Where the hell are you located? It's been in upper 80's to lower 90's here and 90% + humidity the past few days lol.

:tiphat:
 
Count me into the early disaster club. I had a crop of indoor seedlings that I carefully tended for about six weeks. I moved them out to my half-finished greenhouse and promptly killed them off, due to my own poor handling and temps that jumped from mid-60s to mid-90s in a week, along with brutal dry winds.

I've got more seedlings started that look better, and more seeds planted. I plan to finish in the greenhouse that'll be all closed up by fall, so I think I still have time to pull a harvest.

If not, oh well, the dispensaries are just down the road. This first year in the greenhouse/outdoors is all about learning.
 

Buddle

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I'm having a rough start too. I had some nice girls all ready to go out. I was just waiting for longer daylight hours. Long story short a friend sent some infected clones. I checked for bugs but not pm. About the 8th day here I spotted some pm. Now all my elites for outdoor have been compromised. I do not want to use Eagle 20
I have a bunch of seeds started. @ 6 confirmed females so far. I just started more yesterday. I'm at 41.5 lat. I'll put ladies out until mid Aug.
Good luck EVERYONE!!!
 
B

Baron Greenback

Slightly different story here (Europe) - The weather has just been Autumnal, windy, rainy and generally rubbish. It's been so bad that my 2 in my polytunnel have decided to flower. Not just a little bit to test the old waters, oh no, we are in full flower like it's mid-September. There's no light deprivation, just natural light, full sun (well, full rain anyway :)) and it's looking like a miserably small yield too.
Climate change sucks balls.
 
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