This might sound crazy

[Fitzera]

Has anyone here ever seen male seeds produced when no males were present?

A while back when I first experimented with nld types (Panama x bangi Haze, zamal, Destroyer.. all fems) I had light timer issues and stressed the fuck out of the plants. Basically went into reveg before being put back into flower.

Anyhow, ended up finding a number of seeds in all the plants. I gave a few to a friend while telling them how the seeds came to be to warn that they could be herms. I got pictures back that showed full blown, 100% males. No female flowers. How could this be? Is that even possible?

 

[goingrey]

Not personally but it has been reported online before.

I have my doubts and think the probable explanation is rogue pollen from somewhere else or old pollen from a previous grow with males.

 

[Fitzera]

Not personally but it has been reported online before.

I have my doubts and think the probable explanation is rogue pollen from somewhere else or old pollen from a previous grow with males.

That would make sense except in this situation I hadn't played around with males yet. All males killed once sexed. And most seeds I had been growing at that time were fems.

Actually, finding these seeds is what got me interested in making my own.

 

[Chi13]

Yes, absolutely. Sometimes a female plant will throw the odd male flower and you might get a seed or two. Often you will not notice until you are going to smoke it.

 

[Fitzera]

Yes, absolutely. Sometimes a female plant will throw the odd male flower and you might get a seed or two. Often you will not notice until you are going to smoke it.

I got quite a few. This wasn't an odd seed here or there lol. But the part I find odd is males coming from those said seeds.

 

[gonanchoa]

Sometimes I think the rogue pollen theory is vague and when so many people are reporting the same issue, we might need to reconsider our pillars.

Some modern research point out that cannabis might not be dioecious with sex chromosomes, but instead sex is determined by autosomes and is more complex, others argue regarding a shrinking Y, there is no consensus yet as far as I'm concerned.

Autosomes could be the reason why you can reverse sex to cannabis. How else could an XX female plant express a Y chromosome trait (male flowers)? Where is the genetic information? I don't know really. Have you considered apomixis?

I think peyote purple from cbg is listed as regular when its a S1 because some males/hermaphrodites have been reported....


We must be aware that there are some species of plants and animals which change sex during their life. Nemo fish are all female except the dominant male, that when dies, gets replaced by a new "female" which takes the role and changes her sex (or something like that, cant remember exactly).

keep on digging for truth!

 

[Fitzera]

Sometimes I think the rogue pollen theory is vague and when so many people are reporting the same issue, we might need to reconsider our pillars.

Some modern research point out that cannabis might not be dioecious with sex chromosomes, but instead sex is determined by autosomes and is more complex, others argue regarding a shrinking Y, there is no consensus yet as far as I'm concerned.

Autosomes could be the reason why you can reverse sex to cannabis. How else could an XX female plant express a Y chromosome trait (male flowers)? Where is the genetic information? I don't know really. Have you considered apomixis?

I think peyote purple from cbg is listed as regular when its a S1 because some males/hermaphrodites have been reported....


We must be aware that there are some species of plants and animals which change sex during their life. Nemo fish are all female except the dominant male, that when dies, gets replaced by a new "female" which takes the role and changes her sex (or something like that, cant remember exactly).

keep on digging for truth!

Food for thought. Thank you, I appreciate it

 

[grayeyes]

Gonanchoa, you got it backwards. "Nemo fish are all female " Nope, they start out male and develop into females. I have only raised about 3 generations of clownfish.

 

[gonanchoa]

Gonanchoa, you got it backwards. "Nemo fish are all female " Nope, they start out male and develop into females. I have only raised about 3 generations of clownfish.

Thanks! I knew it was one way or the other!

 

[ArtOfSelection]

iv seen full-blown males ( to the eye) from packets of retail fems ................anyone that grows large seeds selections will report the same .........99% female ...grow a few hundred out ........... and you will likely find a few (she) males .........if they are many males in your seeds,,, then there has been pollen contamination from a true blue male imo

 

[goingrey]

iv seen full-blown males ( to the eye) from packets of retail fems ................anyone that grows large seeds selections will report the same .........99% female ...grow a few hundred out ........... and you will likely find a few (she) males .........if they are many males in your seeds,,, then there has been pollen contamination from a true blue male imo

Some people like to give out a stat of 1 in 5000 (fem seeds turning out male). No idea what it is based on.

 

[ArtOfSelection]

well i can only speak from my own experience.........in a good year i can pop over 2000 seeds .....often you find hermies which seem half male half female they are even more common in fems .............nature kinda always finds a way

 

[Piff_cat]

ojd from connoisseur genetics has a line based off this. it does happen just very rare. his line haze freak is ag13(g13 x haze) x gsc(reversed) in the feminized seeds he found a true male he named haze freak and has done alot of good breeding with it. the explanation for this escapes me, but it could have to do with aneuploids(plants with extra chromosomes) or the 2 plants could have been distantly related thru a monoecious line preceeding diploidization.

 

[Fitzera]

I just popped one of the seeds found in one of the Destroyer fems I had that run. Shall see if it is fem or male or hermie.