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This day.

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Five years ago today, I awoke, arrived at my living room, and watched replay after replay of persons coming from different points in the United States flying aircraft into the World Trade Canter, the Pentagon, and of wreckage in a field in Pennsylvania.

I was stunned. Time seemed to freeze. We stared at the television screen, four hours behind the East Coast, in relatively-safe Alaska, preparing to hunt moose..

I don't remember what we said, or mumbled in our recently-awakened stupor.

I quickly found myself as angry at the corporations, opportunists, and governments that had contributed to the history of events that resulted in that moment as I was at those who flew the planes.

I thought about what the word 'innocense' means, and wondered if any of us, aside from the youngest of the young, really were.

None of that had much effect on the impact of graphic images of persons, American, Canadian, British, and others, leaping from buildings. There was an intense empathy of at least some sense of what degree of desperation it took to cause otherwise average persons, many with loved ones in their lives, to choose to plunge from that height, rather than face being burned alive.

Those images are tattooed in many minds today.

We wept for the country, the dead, the injured, the heart-broken, the lost and missing, the persons holding signs seeking mates and children, and for what we knew the persons who crave power and control in our world would use that tragedy for. We could see it coming even then.

A lot changed that day. It didn't increase my patriotism; I already loved my country. It didn't cause me to distrust my government any more; I already didn't trust them. It was other things that changed then.

It brought to the forefront something once again that I had known for many years, but was guilty of sometimes ignoring; the knowledge that life is precious and can abruptly end at any time. And that the time that we have with our loved ones is limited. That each time they leave the doorway, and kiss us good-bye, could be the last time.

Loss isn't always preceded by advance notice.

Many of us don't watch that footage anymore, even though it still circulates on the internet. It's a point of despair that doesn't need to be reviewed often.

Yes, other countries suffer incredible attrocities, indignities and injustices each day. We are not better or even that much different beyond the frills, attitudes, and expectations.. We are vulnerable to life's anguish too.

I hope that a moment of silence, a candle, a dedicated toke or toast, or whatever expression of remembrance is in order. Not for George Bush. Or for Osama bin Laden. Or the many power-gropers. But for persons everywhere who find themselves drawn into others' conflicts, and never come home again. And for those who feel their absence.

"Imagine all the people, living for today...." (John Lennon)

moose eater :joint:
 
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Rosy Cheeks

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Well said Moose eater. As a non-American, I have difficulties relating to 9/11. It is at the same time an immense tragedy, a spectacular piece of contemporary drama, and rocket-fuel for thought and intellectual speculation.
As an ex-New Yorker (but not living in NY when it happened), I relate to the tragedy when I talk to friends that lived through it live. In New York, everyone has his/her own 9/11 story. Some like to tell it, some don’t. People lost their lives in atrocious ways, people lost their loved ones and friends. In that sense, I shut my mouth and pay respect.
At the same time, 9/11 is already a milestone in global human consciousness, to compare with the sinking of Titanic or Pearl Harbor. 411 000 000 hits on 9/11 in a Google-search says it all. It is something that goes beyond the tragedy of the event. Titanic was not the biggest catastrophe in maritime history, but it has survived as the most spectacular of events, because as an event it has all the elements of a tale (the world’s safest “unsinkable” ship that sunk, the absence of enough lifeboats, the inequality between passengers rescued etc) we want to hear.
Before 9/11, media and fiction already tantalized us with similar scenarios, and whether it was the Soviets, Godzilla or Arab terrorists posing as threats to New York's skyscrapers (and the American way of life), people loved it.
Then it happened, and reality overshadowed any Die Hard movie or Michel Crichton novel in concept. I - like many others - could not stop watching the images running in the media. There was a shot from every angle, we saw all the phases and events go down, some of us in direct, we saw just about everything there was to see, except close-ups of the people that died that day.
Then it dawned on us that it was somehow immoral to record and watch this event. In America, the diffusion of images rapidly went from planes crashing/people jumping/towers collapsing to heroic rescue workers tearing through the rubble at Ground Zero. It was a moral decision taken by the media. Still, the planes crashing into the towers and the people jumping are the images that have etched themselves into our collective memory. Those were the images we wanted to see, in spite of everything.
The great famine in Ethiopia in 1984, where more than 1 million people starved to death, or the genocide in Rwanda, where close to 1 million Tutsis and Hutus died in a mad killing-spree, overshadow the near 3000 deaths in the Twin Towers as a tragedy, but not as a tale to be told.

Finally, there is the problem with the fact that the story behind 9/11 is not as simple as we would like it to be. It is not ultimately a story of the battle between good and evil, as G W Bush and his administration has tried to make it into. For all those who dare to look under the rock to see whatever crawls out, it might be hard to think of 9/11 as a result (or rather side-effect) of America’s own wrong-doings in the world. The fact that the CIA once sponsored Muslim fundamentalism in Afghanistan as well as Saddam Hussein, that Bin Laden crept quite far up the US oil lobby’s ass before he turned into a “bad guy”, the fact that America protects a corrupt Saudi dictatorship simply because it is hooked on its oil, and fights other Muslims that take a moral stand against is not pretty to see in the context, and let’s not even dig into the vast number of conspiracy theories that abound and continue to multiply around 9/11. One will have to tread carefully to analyze it, just like we did and do with the Holocaust. Still, the images must be shown and the story must be told, of what really happened the 11th of September, five years ago.
 
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naga_sadu

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We wept for the country, the dead, the injured, the heart-broken, the lost and missing, the persons holding signs seeking mates and children, and for what we knew the persons who crave power and control in our world would use that tragedy for. We could see it coming even then.

Glad u started this post. 9/11 has become a very sad day in US recently. However, we've mourned 9/11 long before the WTC attacks. The same day, same month (9/11), there was also another big tragedy in 1973 in Chile. That was when Agosto Pinochet in Chile along with his "Chicago boys" overthrew the popular Allende government there. This was exactly a few years after Nixon dictated to the head of CIA to "Make the (Chilean) economy scream." You of course know of all the bloodshed which followed after Pinochet's coup. Mass graves. Mass rapes. Mass torture. Fuck, it was horrible. The MNCs in Chile and their Chilean elites virtually wanted to maintain their looting spree and wouldn't even tolerate a simple and modest resource redistribution programme. It didn't matter to those opportunists that lotsa people would die because of that.

Thru Pinochet, the MNCs and the local Chilean elite ran a regime which was one of the most brutal in modern times. And now, the coward is hiding from justice under the guise of a "failing health." But he's scot free because he has the backing of the elites as well as he MNCs. That day, 9/11, that year- 1973 is when it happened. Same reasons (opportunism) different circumstances. Same results- mass suffering.

Actually, in the context of modern history, 9/11 actually started out as a good date in 1906. That was the first time Mahatma Gandhi spoke out against aparthied and racism when he was still in South Africa. But too bad, the result of a global system consisting of extreme opportunism has turned it into a mourning date, starting 1973. New York. Chile. The amount of costs the populations had to bear just to make a few billionares into super billionares is just nauseating to the max. Both in WTC and in Chile, the result was caused by an extreme manifestation of opportunism.
 
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Now here's the truth about the system that'll fuck up your mind
They gave Al Qaeda 6 billion dollars in 1989 to 1992
And now the last chapters of Revelations are coming true
And I know a lot of people find it hard to swallow this
Because subliminal bigotry makes you hate my politics
But you act like America wouldn't destroy two buildings
In a country that was sponsoring bombs dropped on our children
I was watching the Towers, and though I wasn't the closest
I saw them crumble to the Earth like they was full of explosives
And they thought nobody noticed the news report that they did
About the bombs planted on the George Washington bridge
Four Non-Arabs arrested during the emergency
And then it disappeared from the news permanently
They dubbed a tape of Osama, and they said it was proof
"Jealous of our freedom," I can't believe you bought that excuse
Rockin a motherfucking flag don't make you a hero
Word to Ground Zero
The Devil crept into Heaven, God overslept on the 7th
The New World Order was born on September 11

And just so Conservatives don't take it to heart
I don't think Bush did it, 'cuz he isn't that smart
He's just a stupid puppet taking orders on his cell phone
From the same people that sabotaged Senator Wellstone
The military industry got it poppin' and lockin'
Looking for a way to justify the Wolfowitz Doctrine
And as a matter of fact, Rumsfeld, now that I think back
Without 9/11, you couldn't have a war in Iraq
Or a Defense budget of world conquest proportions
Kill freedom of speech and revoke the right to abortions
Tax cut extortion, a blessing to the wealthy and wicked
But you still have to answer to the Armageddon you scripted
And Dick Cheney, you fuckin leech, tell them your plans
About building your pipelines through Afghanistan
And how Israeli troops trained the Taliban in Pakistan
You might have some house niggaz fooled, but I understand
Colonialism is sponsored by corporations
That's why Halliburton gets paid to rebuild nations
Tell me the truth, I don't scare into paralysis
I know the CIA saw Bin Laden on dialysis
In '98 when he was Top Ten for the FBI
Government ties is really why the Government lies
Read it yourself instead of asking the Government why
'Cuz then the Cause of Death will cause the propaganda to die..


- Immortal Technique - Cause Of Death (lyrics)
 

Rosy Cheeks

dancin' cheek to cheek
Veteran
I've got a feeling this thread will soon be moved from the Well Wishes forum.
BadTicket said:
Israeli troops trained the Taliban in Pakistan.
Do you care to reveal your sources on that one? I'm just eager to know if that info comes from someone even remotely trustworthy.
 
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Thank you Mr. Moose.


Happy 9/11 everybody. :badday:

Heres a pic of our tragety with a lil tongue in cheek humor....Maybe it'll cheer someone up a bit.


Seed
 
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naga_sadu

Active member
Too bad really,

9/11 was supposed to be a day which was dedicated towards the common human being and human dignity against caste/ income/ religious discrimination. I know this date can be hard on some Americans, but here's some solace...

9/11/1906: Gandhi first spoke publically against aparthied and advocated the nonviolent struggle.

9/11/1973: Allende gets overthrown by elitist / MNC / CIA endorsed Pinochet. Mass violence. Mass human rights suppression. Mass rapes. Mass graves. :badday:

9/11/2001: Twin towers down. Innocents die. :badday:

Opportunism has mutated a wonderful date in human history, where nonviolent struggle as an effective method of discrimination was drawn and made public, to a date of mourning marked by violence, war, strife, erosion of liberties (both in Chile and in US) and...death :badday: . Both in '73 and in '01...
 
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Guvnor

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Nice post Moose :yes:

All my love and thoughts go to the New Yorkers and the rest of America as a whole. Like mentioned above unless your a american, comprehending what actually happened that day is very difficult.
I think that day the whole world got abit more darker and we realised that safety is now a privilage, but at the same time I think it made America stronger as a country- You united as one and sent much help, money love and support to those who needed it. Your courage is truly first class.

All My love and thoughts today
Guv'nor :joint:
 
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Nice post Moose. And funny pic Seed. But, it was still a very sad day. :badday:
 
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