There's something wrong with my PPP

[RubbaDub]

This is my first grow. Of the plants that are growing, I've been noticing that one of my PPP seedling's leaves have odd splotches of discoloration on them and some of them are curling strangely. See below:

Is this a sick plant or just genetically deformed? My other two PPPs look fine. Here's one that's right next to the weirdo:



The soil is Fox Farms Ocean Forest mixed with perlite, vermiculite and dolomite. I'm using the same mix for the PPPs and Mandala Sadhu and Hashberry plants. All are fine except the one mentioned above. Lighting is a 400W MH that's about two feet above the plants. Temperature is kept around 75°F. Water is simply tapwater that seems to be fairly neutral in terms of acidity.

Any thoughts? Can this plant be helped? If it's a mutant, is it worth growing out, or should I pull it up?

Thanks for your time!

Rubby Dubby

 

[MynameStitch]

I would think it's a mutation, but the newer growths is doing it too, so there is a problem....

have you fed them anything yet? Normally FFOF is pH balanced without a problem.... which strain is having the problem? How many plants are you growing?
Normally FFOF is very bad for smaller plants, not all strains can handle it. Did you dilute the mixture or add anything to it?

I have seen heat do this a bit cause distorted leaves when the light is too close, but I don't think that is the cause of the problem.... have you tested the canopy temps or put your hand right above the plant and keep it there for a bit to test how hot your hand gets?

How much lime did you add to the mixture? Because you may have made the soil too alkaline depending on the amount you added, since FFOF is already pH balanced.

 

[RubbaDub]

Hi,

I haven't fed them anything yet. It's one PPP that's having the problem, but only one plant. I've got a total of 11 plants at this point. As far as diluting the mixture, I added a bunch of perlite, vermiculite and some dolomite. No lime. I'm guesstimating that it's about 70-80% soil vs. the stuff I mixed in.

The canopy temp is around 75 degrees, has gone up to around 80, but only for short periods of time.

My hunch is that it's a mutant since all the other plants are growing fine with the exact same variables. The question is, if it's a mutant, if it will still yield good fruit.

RD

 

[Stoned Cold]

I've got a PPP that's about 35 days flowered, and am noticing quite a bit of what looks to me like 'light burn/bleach'. Yellowish spotting, almost resembles nute splash too. The plant seems very happy besides the discoloration.
My biggest concern is not that my plant's unhealthy, but that I've encountered an issue I'm not familiar with.
Stitch; I love your troubleshootin guide but I'm WAYY too add.....lol....any suggestions?

Rubbadub; sometimes even 80% soil/compost gets too hot for seedlings and will create that mutant looking effect. I've come to the conclusion that 1/3 soil/compost, 1/3 perlite and 1/3 coco is the easiest most consistant medium from germ to harvest


....and mutants CAN still produce some love


Dont ya love people like me who answer their own Q's?.....


So, I came to terms with the fact I'm locked out on the account of P. No, not MY pee, SUPER Phosphorus, an additive I've been pushing in light of some personal research. Big bang for the buck, my problem is I've no meters of ANY sort, so it CAN be tricky

Good luck with your mutant! Ya know, I think mutants are COOL, so if you're so inclined; start a whole MUTANT PICTURE THREAD! LOL....

I'm serious though, I think it would be ****in hilarious to see some of ICmags most retarded plants!

 

[MynameStitch]

Hey thanks for the kind comments stoned: I don't understand what you mean by "I'm WAYY too add.....lol....any suggestions?"

lol

Rubba, like I said, it could be a mutant, but considering the fact that you are growing out different strains it's hard to really say, since you don't know how much more lime you added and your pH was not checked, you can't rule out a pH problem. Adding too much lime can raise the pH past 7 and it can cause twisting problems.
So If I were you, to rule out the pH issue; I would get some strips from the pool supply store or hardware store and when you water check the run off water.
a PH problem DOES cause twisting problems depending on the level.

So yes it could very wll be a mutant too; it's just that there are a lot of problems that can cause twisting and sometimes when you don't know certain things, you can't rule them out as a possible cause. Helping sick plants is sorta like being a Dr., because like sick plants and when people is sick, there are all sorts of things that can cause a problem, like with a human, a sick stomach can be caused by all kinds of things, bad food, flu, a disease...... with sick plants a nutrient problem can be caused by either not feeding enough or be masked by the plant having too much food locking out nutrients......
so that's why it's important to know as much information as possible so the problem can be pointed out as what is wrong and the cause of it

 

[Stoned Cold]

I was just sayin' that my attention span isnt exactly 'up to par'! (a.d.d/a.d.h.d) so the troubleshooting form was out of the question atm!....Definately a nice job on that though! I imagine it's saved a few arses in its day.


That PPP looks almost identical to what happens when you re-use soil, and it's too hot. Certainly dont rule out its potential.

 

[mudvaynefan]

Looks somewhat similar, maybe overfed?

My soil was alot hotter than I even imagined, but thanks to stitch, Im on the road to recovery.

This guy didnt make it though.

 

[RubbaDub]

Hmm.... Food for thought...

Thanks for your replies. I will pick up some PH strips tomorrow and probably some Coco while I'm at it.

MyNameStitch - I browsed through your sick plant guide last night. Good stuff, man! I would like to know why you recommend against soil testers, as this is exactly what I bought. I will try the pH strips since they're cheap and hopefully accurate. Reminds me of high school chemistry lol!

Stoned Cold: a thread on mutant plants is not a bad idea. A while back someone here did one on some messed up mexican bag seed or freebies... can't find the thread now... but the plants were really wacked looking!

 

[MynameStitch]

Soil probe testers are junk, all they ever read is around 6.8-7.0. I have used them and I moved up in the world and bought a digital pH pen, loads difference; I used one when I first started to grow and when I started to have problems and problems were not fixed I decided to purchase a pen and found my problem to be pH related and fixed it immediately. I ripped the probe off and threw away the meter, I kept the probe for an expensive seed/clone hole puncher when I put clones/seeds into peat pucks


Any person around here will tell you how crappy those testers are, the one you have is with a probe with a wire to a meter that looks like a rad tester? Has a long stick that goes from like 0 pH to 10 or something like that, can't exactly remember.

If you got that one, that is the one I am talking about.
Made by rapitest or some crap.

They did make a thread on mutant plants back over at overgrow; but it went down and lots of things were remade, but not all.

Ph strips are accurate if you buy a good kind and has a wide range of pH values.
Thanks m8 I am glad ya liked the guide, took a long time to get where it is today though.
Oh yes, I bet it's helped out 1,000's of peeps.