The terpene of haze?

[Dr.Young]

I'm curious for someone with experience of analysed stuff...
Is terpinolene the most important terpene for the incesey haze smell?

Theres much conflicting information on the internet. I've seen talk of pinene, linalool, terpinolene....

Seems like Ghost train haze is top dog for terpinolene.... Haven't had a chance to smoke flowers of it... Mentions of Jack herer aka SSH being high in it...

Is it a combination of Terpinolene and pinene? Terpinolene linalool etc?
I know there is a spectrum of combinations but curious of the core Terpene or terpene combo that makes up the true incensey side of haze...

I prefer the more woody, subtle "piff" than the skunked out grapefruity, lemony incense..... More on the floral, lavender, perfumey incense.... Best ive experienced has been in Nigerian Mango Haze with its smell being almost like a produce stand cardboard boxes full of cantalope kinda musk with pure haze incense on stem rub, and after smoking the room left with the purest "Piff" ive experienced...

Thanks for reading, hopefully someone can give me the heads up. I went through some dark times recently, and this information would put my mind at ease and give much hope for the future!

 

[IncenseRosemary]

CAMPHENE i think it is.

Camphor is found in the bark of the camphor laurel, an evergreen tree native to certain regions of Asia, such as Sumatra and Indonesia, and in many members of the laurel tree family.Camphor can also be found in many herbs like rosemary, basil, and mint, albeit in much lower concentrations than laurel trees. Camphene can be found in many essential oils derived from natural sources such as nutmeg, lavender, and sage.

 

[IncenseRosemary]

I found something which might help lots of us, with that oriental smell lovers.

Key ingredients of a natural Frankincense oil have been known already for quite a long time. It contains a big quantity of α-Pinene (sometimes over 50%) which is found in citruses and oils of coniferous plants, as well as many other natural oils and possesses a fresh and sweet earthy piney smell. Aside from pinene, Frankincense contains a very close by its structure Camphene, as well as Sabinene, p-Cymene, Thujene, Limonene and other terpenes forming a specific turpentine-like odor.

Octanol and Octyl scetate are responsible for an aldehydic waxy nuance of Frankincense, reminiscent of orange peel with fruity and floral hints (coconut, rose) and a slight mushroomy undertone.

In the second part of the 20th century, with the development of precise methods and tools, much research regarding minor Frankincense compounds has been published. In 1978 scientists from Dragoco discovered that a fraction of monoterpene acids plays a significant role in the general incense smell. Later it was confirmed that Incensol and Serratol might take an important part in forming an incense aroma, and Incensol acetate to possess certain antidepressant properties. In other works it was suggested that incensol and serratol did not smell per se, but produce aromatic products during their thermochemical decomposition or Pyrolysis, in other words when they are burnt.

Among synthetic materials, there is only one compound with a specific smell of burnt incense – Mystikal, a captive material by Givaudan, produced in 2008. From a chemical point of view, it is a carbonic acid 2-Methylundecanal (aldehyde С12 MNA by Givaudan). Any student with a basic knowledge in organic synthesis can transform affordable С12 MNA into a mysterious captive base, especially after reading a detailed algorithm described in its patent. But officially only Givaudan perfumers can do it, at least for a little while until the patent expires.

News about incense aromas appeared just a month ago in the respectable professional magazine Angewandte Chemie International Edition. Nicolas Baldovini of the Nice university together with the Grasse company Albert Vieille announced the discovery of key incense odorants, which they named olibanic acids. (1S,2S)-(+)-trans-octylcyclopropyl-1-carboxylic acid and,especially, (1S,2R)-(+)-cis-octyl cyclopropyl-1-carboxylic acid have a very intense "churchy" odor characteristic to a base note of Frankincense in which they are contained in the amount of a few parts per million. By the way, researchers devoted their discovery to the Swiss scientist Roman Kaiser who works for Givaudan and who a few days ago celebrated his 70th birthday. Roman Kaiser is an eminent specialist in the analysis of natural aroma materials.

 

[Dr.Young]

Bump,

A very reputable person told me terpinolene.... but don't see terpinolene in the few mango haze analysis.... It shows beta pinene, and cymene.... Frankincense being pinene it makes sense.... There is so many pinene strains that dont smell like haze is my only riff with that one though, and im sure cymene isnt in many other strains with haze....
So for now I believe terpinolene, but wanna hear from experienced 1st hand folk... Plus if you look at the killer a5 from ace.. no terpinolene or pinene... but probably malawi pheno.... THe Super Malawi shows beta pinene though which seems more interesting to me than a5 anyway.... So many contradicting things going on around haze, and I get it because people are greedy, or trying to be respectful to their elders or gifters and blah blah but....

Whats everybody's most incense experience with haze thats been analyzed {dispensary herbs}?
SSH, Mango Haze, Neville's Haze?

Having a hard time deciding if I wanna get Nevilles or Mango first... It'll only be 3-4 packs for now but just wanna get some straight up talk first

 

[draztik]

Anything with the Haze A male, but I've heard Mango and Neville's will give you what your looking for

 

[bibi40]

Bump,

A very reputable person told me terpinolene.... but don't see terpinolene in the few mango haze analysis.... It shows beta pinene, and cymene.... Frankincense being pinene it makes sense.... There is so many pinene strains that dont smell like haze is my only riff with that one though, and im sure cymene isnt in many other strains with haze....
So for now I believe terpinolene, but wanna hear from experienced 1st hand folk

Whats most incense experience with haze thats been analyzed?
SSH, Jack Herer, Mango Haze, Neville's Haze?

Silver haze ( sensi seeds ) , like 20 - 22 years ago ...
smoke at sensi seeds coffee , don't exist anymore now ...

 

[IncenseRosemary]

The strongest some kind of musky,sour,incense(haze) smell while burning i get from White Widow in last 10 years. After first toke u smell it all over in room in your nose,mouth every where.
After years and knock offs of lots of seeds companies it is just bland indica now. But before few years i sampled something called Alsakan ice which was very similar. Also found 1 pheno which is close like to thet smell but not as loud in Moby Dick.
Also find smoke report here on icmag
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=335048 saying the same thing. Mine was from White Label this say Sensi it is the same i think.

This is bud of my WW cured for 6 months but when u burned it it cuts through every smoke in room even Sour Diesel and SSH this is so pungent incense smell that room smell for hours.

 

[RandyCalifornia]

If herb is well grown and has the right genetics it'll fill the room with good incense smell, doesn't have to be Haze.
The requirement for good smelling incensey smoke is properly grown Killer Pheno Plant. All varieties have the potential, the genes just have to line up right and the grower has to Nail It.
In my experience.

 

[draztik]

Dr. Young, I would also like to mention Doc D's Bandaid Haze ix 3.0. This has the potential to give you what you may be looking for.
The lineage is Bandaid Haze #7 x (A5 Haze/Thai bx).
The lineage of the (A5 Haze/Thai bx) male used is Bandaid Haze #7 x (A5 Haze/Thai)
The lineage of Bandaid Haze #7 is Cuban Black Haze x (A5 Haze/Thai).
The Bandaid Haze #7 was found by Doc D after going through some of the Cuban Black Haze x (A5 Haze/Thai) seeds he got from Bodhi
Cuban Black Haze is supposed to be the "Piff" clone or atleast one of them and Bandaid Haze #7 is supposed to be better. This is all based on what I've gathered from multiple forums and IG.

Here's a link to some Bandaid Haze #7 https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=360538

 

[Drewsif]

Terpenes are pretty minor byproducts, they are what make lemon haze different from super lemon haze,not what makes "haze".

Its volatile fatty acids that give all noteworthy Cannabis it's flavors and the traveling aromas now lost to the West coast. You can attempt to recreate these pungent aromas with non-pungent terpenes, but first thing you'll notice is the smell doesn't travel, second you'll notice the flavor isn't there. 3rd thing you'll notice is the bud gets worse over time instead of better.

Haze tastes good. Incense does not. Essential oils do not. Terpenes do not. It's fatty acids produced by microbes eating carbs, and residual glucose saccharification. Terpenes are not involved in any of the classic strains. Its all from fatty acids being oxidized, enzymes and microbes breaking down sugars.

We should be identifying enzymes and microbes that contribute to the rich flavors under specific conditions, not minor aroma-only byproducts put in the spotlight by the lung killing ecig industry and chart worshippers who don't consume.


Terpene: Tide pods, laundry soap, scented Lisa Frank stationary. Who ever associated terpenes with Cannabis production had strictly financial intentions.

 

[Ringodoggie]

Hmmm? Really? ^^^^^

 

[nepalnt21]

drewsif is full of hot air, mostly terpene fumes

 

[Dr.Young]

bump! Keep the chat going guys

 

[Raco]

Metal shop ...what do you think ?

 

[Greatdalas]

Metal shop ...what do you think ?

I agree, metal shop, lemon / lime, pepper, some weird incense phenotype, ....
The metal ones (like sucking an iron) with lemon or lime and my favorite incenses

 

[browntrout]

Omnicene seems to be one that appears more often then not in the hazes no? Any strains I associate with terpinolene are the furthest thing from incense or any haze hybrids ive seen.

 

[Guest]

I don't know anything about genetics, but I've heard Haze is like frankincense?

Phellandrene is the only monterpene that comes to mind, still not sure why everyone's focused on monterpenes though. I prefer herb that doesn't have to be refrigerated. All this terpene focus is leading to that. The dispensary bagseed I've grown even dries on the rack days faster than my own genetics.

 

[Dirt Life]

Sorry Doc, I know my post has nothing to add to the discussion and if a mod sees fit to delete my post, no problem, but I just wanted to say that Buttholocausts pin avatar is awesome, was wondering where they got it, and that Society is an awesome movie!
Again, sorry for the off topic post.

 

[LostTribe]

I am starting to align haze types with lemon/orange peel with just a tiny bit of pine in the background. Of course some are ripe fruit, mango, body odor, incense, black liquor, kiwi, root beer, spice, root vegetable as MH says too, even a recent sparkling white grape juice. They are much different essences contained in these lines compared to what commercial offerings are being mass produced. Old smells and different vibrations.

 

[El Timbo]

I grow the plain and variegated versions of Plectranthus Australis, called Swedish ivy in English but Incienso in Spanish - it has the wonderful smell of incense/haze. I've looked for an analysis of its terps but can't find anything.

I also use an essential oil called incienso, which I assumed came from the same plant but is actually from Boswellia carterii and contains limoneno, tuyeno, pineno and terpineno.