The SNOWDEN Saga continues...

[dddaver]

Manufactured outrage I agree with. But I beg to differ on the thinking that the listening in on the Presidents private telephone conversations of USA allies and partners is to experted. That assumption goes a little too far. The NSA definitely over-stepped their bounds. Heads should role. For that, as well as extensive domestic spying. The problem is the White House complicity. There HAS to be for that to happen, from the very top too.

But the EU reaction I'm sure was measured and discussed a lot before going public.

 

[gaiusmarius]

fuck the EU, bunch of pussy ass wankers. they have backed down from the harsh new anti spying legislation they were working on, google yahoo and the US have pressured them to back down and stall the whole process by 1 years so it can be watered down sufficiently, BASTARDS!

Victory for tech giants on EU data laws

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5ad18e46-3d8c-11e3-9928-00144feab7de.html

Google, Facebook and other US tech giants have won an important victory against EU efforts to restrict the sharing of customer data after UK Prime Minister David Cameron persuaded the bloc to postpone the introduction of tougher privacy rules by at least a year.

The climbdown is a blow to advocates of stricter data protection standards, especially as it comes amid an international scandal that has seen the US accused of snooping on EU leaders including German Chancellor Angela Merkel and millions of European citizens.

The delay will give US companies – as well as the Obama administration, which has been frantically lobbying for the reforms to be watered down – the opportunity to make their case more forcefully once the attention shifts away from the US spy scandal, said some EU officials and privacy advocates.

“It looks like we won,” said an executive at a large US tech company. “When we saw the story about Merkel’s phone being tapped and that 35 leaders’ phones were also compromised, we thought we were going to lose . . . Britain’s common sense prevailed.”

Tech lobbyists were alarmed this week when the European Parliament decided to amend the EU’s draft data privacy legislation to limit the US’s ability to obtain information on EU citizens. The measure had been stripped from the original proposal, made by the European Commission in January 2012, after intense lobbying from US officials.

US companies also want to scrap – or at least reduce – sanctions for breaching any new regulations, which could cost companies such as Google, Facebook and Amazon dearly. The parliament increased the fines originally proposed by the commission to 5 per cent of annual global revenues or €100m, whichever is greater.

Senior EU officials said Mr Cameron had spearheaded efforts to get the date moved to 2015. “They [the UK] don’t like the directive as it is,” said a top Brussels official. “It is burdensome, they say. They wanted to have a reference to more timely adoption. So the compromise was therefore the reference to 2015.”

Mr Cameron initially opposed setting any deadline but agreed to compromise on 2015 after France, Italy and Poland pushed for the proposal to be completed before European elections in May 2014.

Germany – to the surprise of many of the 28 leaders present at the meeting – did not take sides, said an EU diplomat, adding that Angela Merkel, German chancellor, “didn’t want to rush it”.
"When we saw the story about Merkel’s phone being tapped and that 35 leaders’ phones were also compromised, we thought we were going to lose . . . Britain’s common sense prevailed"

- executive at large US tech company

Ms Merkel on Wednesday accused the US of tapping her phone, prompting her to launch a separate initiative with France to renegotiate their intelligence services’ co-operation with Washington.

Britain has echoed the concerns of US tech groups that the legislation would create a conflict between American and European legislation as well as burden companies with unnecessary red-tape during a difficult economic recovery.

“The delay was demanded by the US, because they believe that they can get everything they want out of the ongoing trade discussions. So, it is both an opportunity to water down the proposals directly and also indirectly,” said Joe McNamee, director of European Digital Rights, a privacy campaign group.

One of David Cameron’s aides said on Friday that he had “no idea” whether the prime minister had discussed the data protection rules with Eric Schmidt, the chairman of Google, who sits on the prime minister’s business advisory board.

But he insisted that Google was “not the reason why” the prime minister had fought against early adoption of the rules. “As offered it contains huge extra burdens on businesses so there has to be some changes to it, that is why we got it removed.”

Herman Van Rompuy, the European Council president, said on Friday that several countries had been concerned that a rushed proposal could harm businesses that heavily depended on personal customer data.

“What is the problem? . . . It is a complex task not only related to the already difficult issues of protecting privacy but it also [has] an impact on business, so we have to study this carefully,” said Mr Van Rompuy.

Additional reporting by Elizabeth Rigby in London

 

[Lone Wolf]

1 year from now they will be so deep into the spying that no law would EVER be able to stop ANYTHING.... fucking sickening

 

[MrDanky]

NSA Website Offline, Agency Denies Attack (UPDATE)

NSA Website Offline, Agency Denies Attack (UPDATE)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/25/nsa-website_n_4165142.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

The website for the National Security Agency went offline Friday, with NSA.gov unavailable during the early evening. On Twitter, accounts associated with the hacker group Anonymous implied that the group may have been behind the attack...


click the link because it is too damn much shit to try and copy and paste

 

[MrDanky]

After reading this article that was just now featured on the front page of the huffington post i think Brazil may be a good place to move to until the US Gov can get their heads out of their asses:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/26/nsa-spying-foreign-policy_n_4166076.html

NSA Spying Threatens U.S. Foreign Policy Efforts

WASHINGTON -- WASHINGTON (AP) — Secretary of State John Kerry went to Europe to talk about Mideast peace, Syria and Iran. What he got was an earful of outrage over U.S. snooping abroad.

President Barack Obama has defended America's surveillance dragnet to leaders of Russia, Mexico, Brazil, France and Germany, but the international anger over the disclosures shows no signs of abating in the short run.

Longer term, the revelations by former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden about NSA tactics that allegedly include tapping the cellphones of as many as 35 world leaders threaten to undermine U.S. foreign policy in a range of areas.

This vacuum-cleaner approach to data collection has rattled allies.

"The magnitude of the eavesdropping is what shocked us," former French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said in a radio interview. "Let's be honest, we eavesdrop too. Everyone is listening to everyone else. But we don't have the same means as the United States, which makes us jealous."

So where in the world isn't the NSA? That's one big question raised by the disclosures. Whether the tapping of allies is a step too far might be moot.

The British ambassador to Lebanon, Tom Fletcher, tweeted this past week: "I work on assumption that 6+ countries tap my phone. Increasingly rare that diplomats say anything sensitive on calls."

Diplomatic relations are built on trust. If America's credibility is in question, the U.S. will find it harder to maintain alliances, influence world opinion and maybe even close trade deals.

Spying among allies is not new.

Madeleine Albright, secretary of state during the Clinton administration, recalled being at the United Nations and having the French ambassador ask her why she said something in a private conversation apparently intercepted by the French.

The French government protested revelations this past week that the NSA had collected 70.3 million French-based telephone and electronic message records in a 30-day period.

Albright says Snowden's disclosures have hurt U.S. policymakers.

"A lot of the things that have come out, I think are specifically damaging because they are negotiating positions and a variety of ways that we have to go about business," Albright said at a conference hosted by the Center for American Progress in Washington.

"I think it has made life very difficult for Secretary Kerry. ... There has to be a set of private talks that, in fact, precede negotiations and I think it makes it very, very hard."

The spy flap could give the Europeans leverage in talks with the U.S. on a free trade agreement, which would join together nearly half of the global economy.

"If we go to the negotiations and we have the feeling those people with whom we negotiate know everything that we want to deal with in advance, how can we trust each other?" asked Martin Schulz, president of the European Parliament.

Claude Moniquet, a former French counterintelligence officer and now director of Brussels-based European Strategic Intelligence and Security Center, said the controversy came at a good time for Europe "to have a lever, a means of pressure ... in these negotiations."

To Henry Farrell and Martha Finnemore at George Washington University, damage from the NSA disclosures could "undermine Washington's ability to act hypocritically and get away with it."

The danger in the disclosures "lies not in the new information that they reveal but in the documented confirmation they provide of what the United States is actually doing and why," they wrote in Foreign Affairs.

"When these deeds turn out to clash with the government's public rhetoric, as they so often do, it becomes harder for U.S. allies to overlook Washington's covert behavior and easier for U.S. adversaries to justify their own."

They claim the disclosures forced Washington to abandon its "naming-and-shaming campaign against Chinese hacking."

The revelations could undercut Washington's effort to fight terrorism, says Kiron Skinner, director of the Center for International Relations and Politics at Carnegie Mellon University. The broad nature of NSA surveillance goes against the Obama administration's claim that much of U.S. espionage is carried out to combat terrorism, she said.

"If Washington undermines its own leadership or that of its allies, the collective ability of the West to combat terrorism will be compromised," Skinner said. "Allied leaders will have no incentive to put their own militaries at risk if they cannot trust U.S. leadership."

The administration asserts that the U.S. is amassing intelligence of the type gathered by all nations and that it's necessary to protect the U.S. and its allies against security threats.

Kerry discussed the NSA affair in Europe with French and Italian officials this past week.

Most governments have not retaliated, but some countries are pushing back.

Germany and France are demanding that the administration agree by year's end to new rules that could mean an end to reported American eavesdropping on foreign leaders, companies and innocent citizens.

Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff canceled her official state visit to the White House. She ordered measures aimed at greater Brazilian online independence and security after learning that the NSA intercepted her communications, hacked into the state-owned Petrobras oil company's network and spied on Brazilians.

Brazil says it is working with other countries to draft a U.N. General Assembly resolution that would guarantee people's privacy in electronic communications.

A European Parliament committee approved rules that would strengthen online privacy and outlaw the kind of data transfers the U.S. is using for its spying program.

European lawmakers have called for the suspension of an agreement that grants U.S. authorities access to bank data needed for terrorism-related investigations.

"We need trust among allies and partners," said German Chancellor Angela Merkel, whose cellphone was allegedly tapped by the NSA. "Such trust now has to be built anew."

 

[BudToaster]

i think Brazil may be a good place to move to

don't drink the water. well, maybe i didn't give my microbiome a chance to adjust, but damn, i was sick. good thing the barfbidet was right next to the shitter.

 

[Harry Gypsna]

Merkel is a cheeky bastard. Didn't say a dickie bird about European citizens having all their data slurped up, but they listen in to her phone and it's action stations.

I can't wait for Greenwald's book.

 

[gaiusmarius]

Merkel is a cheeky bastard. Didn't say a dickie bird about European citizens having all their data slurped up, but they listen in to her phone and it's action stations.

I can't wait for Greenwald's book.

exactly, they are all the same. only when they realized it was also their shit being bugged did they start to speak out. damn 2 faced hypocrites.

 

[gaiusmarius]

much as i don't like the UN, we have to take what we can get i suppose. heres an article from RT saying that 21 countries are working on some kind of communications privacy rules, check it out.


Germany, Brazil enlist 19 more countries for anti-NSA UN resolution

http://rt.com/news/nsa-un-resolution-talks-788/

Twenty-one countries, including US allies France and Mexico, have now joined talks to hammer out a UN resolution that would condemn “indiscriminate” and “extra-territorial” surveillance, and ensure “independent oversight” of electronic monitoring.

The news was reported by Foreign Policy magazine, which has also obtained a copy of the draft text.

The resolution was proposed earlier this week by Germany and Brazil, whose leaders have been some of the most vocal critics of the comprehensive spying methods of the US National Security Agency.

It appears to have gained additional traction after the Guardian newspaper published an internal NSA memo sourced from whistleblower Edward Snowden on Friday, which revealed that at least 35 heads of state had their phones tapped by American intelligence officials.

One of those is likely German Chancellor Angela Merkel. Earlier this week the White House failed to deny that her personal cell phone had been tapped in the past, though it claims that it no longer listens in on Merkel’s private conversations.

Other countries involved in the talks reportedly include Argentina, Austria, Bolivia, Cuba, Ecuador, Guyana, Hungary, India, Indonesia, Liechtenstein, Norway, Paraguay, South Africa, Sweden, Switzerland, Uruguay and Venezuela.

While the document does not single out the US as the chief electronic spy, its text seems to be a direct response to alleged NSA practices.

The draft says that UN member states are “deeply concerned at human rights violations and abuses that may result from the conduct of extra-territorial surveillance or interception of communications in foreign jurisdictions.”

Snowden’s leaks over the past months have revealed that NSA intercepts data directly from data cables stationed around the world. Internal documents also showed that American intelligence staff did not need a warrant or any other legal basis to freely spy on a non-US citizen.

The proposed document also claims that “illegal surveillance of private communications and the indiscriminate interception of personal data of citizens constitutes a highly intrusive act that violates the rights to freedom of expression and privacy and threatens the foundations of a democratic society.”

As opposed to the targeted spying of the past, where agencies would tap a specific phone or intercept letters addressed to a person, new technologies mean that almost all data that passes through the internet is saved onto the NSA servers. This includes private emails, web searches, and personal data of billions of people. NSA agents then fish out the needed information with precise searches.

The resolution, which is expected to be presented in front of the U.N. General Assembly human rights committee before the end of the year, turns NSA’s activities into an issue of fundamental rights as opposed to international politics, requiring the High Commissioner for Human Rights to present the world community with a report on the issue. The draft also asks to institute “independent oversight mechanisms” that would curb the untrammelled surveillance, though it does not specify how such a secretive activity could be effectively supervised.

 

[Skip]

Today's news says that the Germans may proscecute those who bugged Merkel's phone!

Apparently it's against the law to spy on ppl's cellphones in Germany.

Gee who woulda thought....a law against spying?

Will they only go after those who bugged Merkel?

What about the millions of other Germans, Europeans and other citizens of the world who've been spied upon?

When are they gonna reveal that each country spies on the other's citizens (and shares the data) so that the governments don't break their own laws by spying on their own?

 

[MrDanky]

truthfully i think the hackers of america have effectively taken over the world

 

[Flying Goat]

You guys make me proud. I thot the USSA was toast. Where where ya all when I was yelling my head off 30 years ago?

Well, now I'm too old to live in the stress of the gulag. Yes, I live in a socialist country, but I have a LOT more freedoms than y'all do today.

I was poisoned by Corexit & fumes off the GOM when they were burning. We sold out & sold my silver & came down here to make a new start (Uruguay).

I won't be back - ever.

And I'm not a traitor, or someone who runs from a fight, either. But I'm old enough to know to choose my battles.

I live free here (national motto is "Libertad o Muerte!") and grow free here, and nobody bothers me. Cops are gents with revolvers, not psychopaths with autos & tasers shooting grannies in wheelchairs for pointing ink pens at them and killing old men in their beds.

Everybody owns their own home. Most built them themselves. Very few rent. Nobody trusts banks & all have their own stash. Cops stay in the office until you call them, and they're gents when you do.

Food producing country, not a place shutting down its own best farmland & destroying it with the chemtrail residue... MonSatan's ready tho - got special aluminum- & barium- resistant gmo seeds all ready to starve ya to death with a full belly. They're here as well, but we're working on kicking them out. Peru, Bolivia, Chile & Brasil have done already. It's a matter of education & grannies handing out films on pendrives...

People's opinion matters here. They protest when they need to and get things done.

Y'all can't vote yerselves out of that nasty situation up there. Ya gotta pull it all down & start fresh. Back to the Constitution & make lobbying illegal, PACs illegal, no pay for representatives (or only $40k per year, max - they should serve, not profit), no special healthcare, retirement pensions or anything else for politicians. No insider trading deals.

Take away "personhood" from corporations; they are not people & do not deserve such status. Tax them as they should be, not the citizens.

Repeal NAFTA. Get the US out of the UN.

Arrest those guilty of war crimes & have public trials.

Yeah... Never happen.

So, I'll watch from down here...

Much more tranquilo.

Besides, radiation don't pass below the equator due to the Earth's torus fields...

Cynical, but realistic.

Even if I were still a crack shot - how well can you defend against a virus? Massive earthquake-on-demand? Radiation? Nope, didn't think so.

Best wishes to all, but way late waking up.

Hackers are your best bet. Bring the system to its knees, then you can build fresh.

The only power they have is what you give them.

 

[Lone Wolf]

You guys make me proud. I thot the USSA was toast. Where where ya all when I was yelling my head off 30 years ago?

Well, now I'm too old to live in the stress of the gulag. Yes, I live in a socialist country, but I have a LOT more freedoms than y'all do today.

I was poisoned by Corexit & fumes off the GOM when they were burning. We sold out & sold my silver & came down here to make a new start (Uruguay).

I won't be back - ever.

And I'm not a traitor, or someone who runs from a fight, either. But I'm old enough to know to choose my battles.

I live free here (national motto is "Libertad o Muerte!") and grow free here, and nobody bothers me. Cops are gents with revolvers, not psychopaths with autos & tasers shooting grannies in wheelchairs for pointing ink pens at them and killing old men in their beds.

Everybody owns their own home. Most built them themselves. Very few rent. Nobody trusts banks & all have their own stash. Cops stay in the office until you call them, and they're gents when you do.

Food producing country, not a place shutting down its own best farmland & destroying it with the chemtrail residue... MonSatan's ready tho - got special aluminum- & barium- resistant gmo seeds all ready to starve ya to death with a full belly. They're here as well, but we're working on kicking them out. Peru, Bolivia, Chile & Brasil have done already. It's a matter of education & grannies handing out films on pendrives...

People's opinion matters here. They protest when they need to and get things done.

Y'all can't vote yerselves out of that nasty situation up there. Ya gotta pull it all down & start fresh. Back to the Constitution & make lobbying illegal, PACs illegal, no pay for representatives (or only $40k per year, max - they should serve, not profit), no special healthcare, retirement pensions or anything else for politicians. No insider trading deals.

Take away "personhood" from corporations; they are not people & do not deserve such status. Tax them as they should be, not the citizens.

Repeal NAFTA. Get the US out of the UN.

Arrest those guilty of war crimes & have public trials.

Yeah... Never happen.

So, I'll watch from down here...

Much more tranquilo.

Besides, radiation don't pass below the equator due to the Earth's torus fields...

Cynical, but realistic.

Even if I were still a crack shot - how well can you defend against a virus? Massive earthquake-on-demand? Radiation? Nope, didn't think so.

Best wishes to all, but way late waking up.

Hackers are your best bet. Bring the system to its knees, then you can build fresh.

The only power they have is what you give them.

great post, thanks

 

[Hermanthegerman]

Schneller, schneller, 400 Meter and weve got Obama!

 

[CannaBunkerMan]

Do you guys really believe that the UN is sovereign from the US? I am skeptical of the motivations of any actions that come out of this organization, or any members of it. It's a mouthpiece for the EU gang of four, which really just a gang of one, the gang of US.

What's going on here? Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International both growing a pair and criticizing the US drone policy, then EU member states calling out the US for spying on them? Is the US losing control, or is this just another staged act meant to sway international public opinion in one way or another? Will anything actually change, or is this political kabuki theater just meant to pacify the masses by displaying the correct leaders saying the right things while showing the proper amount of outrage?

I'd love to see some real change.

 

[gaiusmarius]

well there is a theory that certain one world gov oriented groups see the US as one of the only powers in the world that could stop them, (if the leadership gets back into the peoples hands.) so they are purposefully running it into the ground. they exported 90% of the major industry and production base, the school system seems to be purposefully dumbbing the level of education down, the health care system is grossly over priced with a dismal level of quality when it comes to the actual health care, the military being used full time in more then 1 theater of war simultaneously for quite long now, supposedly weakening them. basically for the UN to ever be able to be used to tell the US what to do, the US would need to lose a lot of power and prestige in the world. so this theory says that the US gov is run by this faction from the shadows and that's why so much of what is being done is just making matters worse. from the war on terror making more new terrorists then it defeats, to the crazy spending and bail outs.

what ever the truth, i do agree, we can't trust the UN, specially not as it is, with the security counsel having all the power. the UN seem to be involved in a lot of political decision made on an ideological basis. which often seem anti freedom, but they are supposed to uphold the universal declaration of human rights, which does include the right to privacy, the same goes for that sinking ship known as the EU, their own founding documentation forces them to protect and respect the charter on universal human rights, if they do nothing, they leave them selves open to attack and very likely loss of MP status as others will be voted into their seats just by telling folks all about the incumbent being a fascist who did nothing about the people being spied on worse then in stasi times. you watch how fast they will lose their seat.

i already read more details about the merkel phone tap, they are now reporting obama told her he didnt know about it and would have stopped the tap had he known. this is also a lie apparently. the reports in the news state he knew she was being bugged and didnt put a stop to it.

 

[MrDanky]

i just watched "American Blackout" on national geographic (i believe it was nat geo, if not that then discovery channel).... it was a 2 hour special on tonight (sunday Oct 27, 2013)....

the show revolved around the concept of a cyber attack taking down our power grid, resulting in total chaos and death amongst innocent (unprepared) americans... the show does go on to state that "Marshall Law" would most likely be declared in such an event where the power grid would be unlikely to be started back up anytime soon after it occurs...

so I have been doing some connecting of dots and I REALLY would not put it by this administration coupled up with the NSA to use this avenue as a way to enact Marshall Law for good, effectively eliminating the american constitution....

it seems as it would be a totally possible way for O(*) to start his reign from scratch....

...... with all of the mounting and escalating issues that this administration is facing as a result of the NSA spying scandal on an international scale, I believe the NSA employees themselves as well as Obama have few options to get themselves out of the hot water and THIS could be their answer...

I used to absolutely HATE conspiracy theorists and mark them off as shams, but with all of the mounting hard evidence being thrown out there in the digital world that the gov't just cannot stop, I have no choice but to feel the way I do. I am NOT a conspiracy theorist... I am an information processing REALIST whose intuition has NEVER steered him wrong, jack.

 

[gaiusmarius]

Spain's turn to bollock the US Government

Spain's turn to bollock the US Government

hehe i have to admit to a certain amount of glee reading this stuff, finally there is a comeuppance for all this two faced fascist behavior they have been engaging in across the world.

Spain warns US of breakdown in trust after new NSA revelations

White House struggles to contain diplomatic crisis as Madrid warns US ambassador after claim that NSA harvested 60m Spanish calls

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/28/spain-warns-us-ambassador-breakdown-trust-nsa

The Spanish government has warned the US that revelations of widespread spying by the National Security Agency could, if confirmed, "lead to a breakdown in the traditional trust" between the two countries.

The diplomatic row followed a report in Spain's El Mundo newspaper on Monday , based on a leaked NSA document, claiming that the US had intercepted 60.5m phone calls in Spain between 10 December 2012 and 8 January this year.

In the latest revelations from the documents leaked by the US whistleblower Edward Snowden, El Mundo published an NSA graphic, entitled "Spain – last 30 days", showing the daily flow of phone calls within Spain. On one day alone – 11 December 2012 – the NSA reportedly intercepted more than 3.5m phone calls. It appears that although the content of the calls was not monitored the serial and phone numbers of the handsets used, the locations, sim cards and the duration of the calls were. Emails and other social media were also monitored.

read the rest of the article at the guardian:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/28/spain-warns-us-ambassador-breakdown-trust-nsa

 

[trichrider]

US coping with furious allies as NSA spying revelations grow

The United States is scrambling to soothe some of its closest allies, angered as one report after another details vast American spying — including gathering data on tens of millions of phone calls in Spain a single month.

The latest report, published Monday in the Spanish newspaper El Mundo, said that the National Security Agency had collected information on 60 million calls in that country last December.

It followed reports in the last week that the United States spied on leaders of at least 35 countries, and even bugged the personal cellphone of German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

German intelligence chiefs are preparing to visit Washington this week to demand answers, and the German Parliament on Monday called a special session for Nov. 18 to talk about NSA spying.

President Barack Obama has had to apologize to Merkel and to the presidents of France and Brazil. The Brazilian president was so angry she canceled a state visit.


Former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs tells TODAY's Savannah Guthrie the Obama administration should consider whether spying on world leaders is worth the intelligence they are getting, saying the latest revelations are an embarrassment.

The Obama administration and its defenders say that most of the spying is legitimate, for the protection of the United States and its allies.

In a statement Sunday night, U.S. National Security Council spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden said that a White House review is examining “the way that we gather intelligence to ensure that we properly account for the security concerns of our citizens and allies and the privacy concerns that all people share, and to ensure that our intelligence resources most effectively support our foreign policy and national security objectives.”

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...spying-revelations-grow?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=1

 

[Flying Goat]

Excellent points, everyone! Today I have only 2 points to bring up:

1) Snowden is STILL an agent of the CIA (nobody ever once in gets out alive, just like the Mafia);

2) If you really believe the UN & Zbignew Brezhinski are "good people," read this:

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/letter-from-retired-army-general-al-cuppett/

Now ask yourself - just WHY is it we're seeing all the senior brass of the military suddenly being "retired" to bring in "new blood" at the Pentagon?

Oops!

More than 2 things.

Also, ask yourself WHY so many journalists are being assassinated (Michael Hastings & more) and WHY Glenn Greenwald lives in Brasil...

All this shit started with Kennedy assassination. I have a movie with original Zapruder film showing Kennedy hit in the throat from the grassy knoll after all security is pulled back & the SS man on the right of the limo goes "WTF?" questioning his orders. Still, he pulls back. After Kennedy is hit in the throat, the driver of the limo slows almost to a crawl, still in the "kill zone," and then turns with pistol in left hand and you can clearly see muzzle flash as he hits Kennedy in the right temple as he was slumping toward Jackie. Jackie thot she was next and was trying to climb outta the car...

Any of you wanna see, it, PM me before they take it down. It may already BE down.

Also have an interview with LBJ's mistress, detailing how this was planned 2 years in advance when Kennedy won the nomination. All was done & organized by HL Hunt at Clint Murchison's ranch outside Dallas... Among those present at a meeting the night before: Nixon, LBJ, GWHBush, Dallas Sheriff, Dallas Police Chief, HL Hunt (CIA assassin & leader of the Watergate burglars), very revealing film.

Also, Bill Hicks, fellow Texan, (the original Alex Jones) was killed because of his comedy routine... which included "back & to the left." Think people, 'back and to the left." Can't be the book depository. Inside, where tourists view the 'sniper's nest,' it's walled off with plexiglass, not so people don't touch stuff, but so they can't get close enuf to see out the window. Oswald would have had to be hanging onto the ledge by his toenails, suspended by groups of pigeons at his shoulders, to have made that shot... And it would have blown Kennedy's FACE off, not the other way around...

I have YEARS of accumulated stuff on this subject... But nobody gave a shit when I was talking about it in 1979...

After the GOM, I headed here. At least I can grow, smoke & relax. Better than having a shitfit every time a cop pulls up behind you and you realize your chances of dying that day have just gone up by 700%.

Soccer moms tazed 5 times for speeding & die by heart attack in front of the 5 little boys riding in her Suburban, in the street.

Bummer.

Cheers, y'all, from down South.