The Roadkill Skunk Fan Club

[SacredTHCRitual]

Lets not take steps backwards here guy's.

RKS is not a strain, it is a terpene/odor. It don't matter if it's blue buds with pink hairs as long as it smells like A SKUNK THAT HAS SPRAYED.

We already know there are different types of buds that are RKS but one thing they have in common? THEY SMELL LIKE A SKUNK THAT HAS SPRAYED.

I'd rather dig around in a messy cat box looking for ripe turds then search for RKS in Skunk #1, aka Bunk #1, aka Sweet #1.

X18 does have some stank to it, its waaaaaaaaay more skunky then any Sweet #1 I've ever seen or grown.

Again the closest I have found was Chem D..the skunk was the only smell present but it was faint, either to do growing/storing it didn't reach full potential when it finally was burned up...


I may find myself in Oaxaca Mexico later this year so hopefully I can find this skank...any tips for my hunt?

 

[SacredTHCRitual]

Sounds dank, are you using STS or CS for the reversals?

I would hope he would just let nature do it's thing...we want the males too right?




Terminology for STS breeding:

STS: Silver thiosulfate, a salt compound used in photography. In plants, silver interferes with, or locks out, copper, which is a necessary micronutrient. Making copper unavilable inteferes with ethylene signaling, and reduces expression of traits that are dependent on high levels of ethylene, such as female sex expression and fruit ripening.

Copper: a micronutrient that is necessary to assist certain enzymes in their function. Copper can become toxic at low levels, but a few parts per billion is adequate for plants to express their genetic potential. Because copper is needed at such low levels, it does not take much silver to overwhelm the available copper load and exert its effect.

Ethylene: One of the 5 plant hormones. The levels and ratios of these 5 hormones has a huge impact on the shape, strucutre, aroma, flavor, flowering time, and disease resistance of the plant. Hormones are the chemical messengers that allow DNA to 'talk' to plant tissues and determine the phenotype. Ethylene is primarily involved in flowering, sex determination, fruit ripening, and sensescence (rot). Ethylene is a simple organic molecule, C2 H4, which can also be represented as H2C=CH2.
In cannabis, female plants will produce male flowers if not enough ethylene is present, or if too much gibberellic acid is present. The intersex condition is due to a combination of genetic and environemental factors. Some plants will not turn male under the most extreme stress, and some plants, especially stretchy tropical sativas, will turn with no stress at all. It is my belief that the stress of severe inbreeding, compounded over several generations, is responsible for the majority of hermaphrodites in the drug cannabis gene pool (DCG) today.

Reversal: Treating a female plant with STS in order to collect viable female pollen.

Selfing: Applying female pollen to the female from which it was collected. Example : selecting a particular Willie Nelson cutting, reversing it, and putting the pollen back on another clone of the same plant. Applying that pollen to a different Willie cutting, or to another strain altogether, is not selfing.

F0: The parents selected to start a breeding program. Often referred to as P1 and P2, but this is incorrect.

F1: the first cross between two unrelated parents. The F stands for filial, and refers to the fact that all F1 progeny of the same cross are full brothers and sisters to one another.

S1: The first selfed generation. Selfing an S1 produces an S2, etc. Anecdotal evidence from Sam_Skunkman indicates that continued selfing to the S3 and S4 produces plants so weak that they must be handled very carefully, “like kittens” in his words.

R1's (aka Reversed F1's): When feminized pollen is used to pollinate a different female than the pollen donor. R1's will tend to act like a tradional male x female cross, only all female, while S1's appear to have some different properties that are not yet fully understood. Early reports indicatee that S1's are more consistent than R1's on average, but there are many exceptions, and more research is needed.

BC1: The first backcross generation, ie when an F1 or R1 progeny is crossed back to an F0 parent. Backcrossing can increase the influence of either parent, but continued backcrossing is too much inbreeding, according to both DJ Short and Rezdog, and should be used rarely if at all. One or two backcrosses followed by full-sib mating has beena successful strategy for many breeders, including the creator of Northern Lights.
These terms can be combined for shortand pedigrees. A second backross, followed by three generations of sib-mating, may be represented as a BC2-F3 generation.

Intersex: A condition in which a plant (or animal) displays functional sex organs of both genders. Easier to type than hermaphroditic. My belief is that almost all hermies are genetic females that have weaknesses in their ethylene signaling pathway, which makes them very susceptible to environmental stress.

Stress: Any environmental factor that causes a response by the plant. Stresses can be biotic or abiotic. Biotic stresses include insects, fungi, viruses, predators, and CAMP. Abiotic stresses include drought, poor soil conditions, extreme wind or humidity, or hurricanes or flooding. Both types of stresses can have large effects on phenotype, including induction of intersex phenos.

Hybrid Fertility: The degree to which any two unrelated plants can set seed. For example, crossing an Afghani to a Turk may produce 95% viable seed, whild crossing Durban to Mongolian Indica might only produce 40% viable seed. This is usually a measure of the genetic distance between the parents. The fertility of self-pollinations is unknown but could give the breeder alot of information about the breeding value of the plant in question. A plant that has a desirable phentoype, but is not very self-fertile, is likely very homozygous and will tend to produce consistent offspring.

Micropropagation: Taking very small clones and rooting them in test tubes containing a heat-sterilized nutrient mixture in a agar (gelatin) base. This allows for aseptic (almost sterile) conditioins and precise application of phytochemicals such as STS, auxin, or cytokinin.
Flower parts:

Male :


Petal: the 5 yellow petals surrounding the generative organs
Anther: the banana-shaped pod on a thin stalk that produces and drops pollen
Filament: the thin stalk that supports the anther.
Pollen grain: A tiny, round, hard shell that floats on the wind until it lands on a female stigma.
Sperm: A half-copy of the genetic information of the father. Each grain contains two sperm. One sperm fertilizes the egg and forms the embryon, while the other sperm fertilizes another cell and forms the endosperm, the fatty, protein-rich substance that surrounds the embryon and provides nutrients for the first ~2 weeks of growth. This process is called 'double fertilization' and is pretty cool if you want to read more about it.



Female:



Sepal: the small green leaves subtending (underneath) the petals. The sepals are the strucutres that have two white hairs protruding and are covered in resinous trichomes. They are a leafy jacket for the developing seed. I believe that the evolutionary purpose of THCis to confuse animals, such as mice and voles, that eat cannabis seeds after they fall to the ground. Differences in cannabinoid content probably are due to differences in the brains of the seed predators.
Stigma: The two white hairs that stick out of each flower. Each stigma is capable of accepting pollen and directing it to the ovary, which is located at the base of the seed. The stigma is capable of performing a chemical analysis of the pollen that lands on it, and can decide whether ornot to allow that pollen to germinate and fertilize the embryo.
Ovary: the structure that contains a half-copy of the maternal DNA, which fuses with a sperm to form an embryo that contains 50% DNA from each parent.
Seeds:
Achene: a technical term for the particular type of seed that Cannabis produces. Similar to a nut, but simpler in structure.
Aleurone: the hard, tiger-striped outer shell of a seed that protects the delicate embryo and endosperm.
Vernalization: Any environmental or chemical treatment that induces seeds to sprout. This can be heat, in the case of wild tomato or avocado seeds, or cold, as in the case of poppies and many members of the cabbage family. Some seeds require a bath in acid, as in tomato seeds, which tend to to sprout well when they are incubated in the hot, acidic bath known as the 'stomach' and then deposited in a matrix of rich organic matter, known as 'poop'.


General Breeding Terms:



Compensatory mating: Choosing hybrid parents based on a weakness in one parent. For example, we often choose G13 as a parent when we have a sativa that is quite nice to smoke, but stretchy and long flowering. G13 brings down flowering time and height, without having much impact on the smell or high, except that it tends to boost potency. Another example might be choosing Grapefruit to cross to an indica that is potent, but lacks flavor or 'bag appeal'. Fem breeding makes it easier to choose parents for compensatory mating as both parents can be evaluated for the trait of interest.
Stabilizing Selection: Growing a large number of a a segregating population and selecting the average phenotypes, culling the extreme phenos, in order to lessen the variability in the line. Usually a later step after a line produces some, but not all, exceptional plants. Not used often enough in Cannabis breeding. An example of this would be growing a thousand Love Potions and culling everything that showed a single male flower, so that the genetics of the line would be essentially unchaged, but interesex plants will eventually be completely eliminated.
Directional Selection: Choosing breeding parents based on a desire to boost a trait that is present in both. For example, if you grew out 100 F2's and selected the most purple ones for future breeding, you would be breeding in the direction of more purpleness without any regard for other phenotypes. When working with very small populations, I believe it is best to focus on one trait a time, rather than trying to find your grail in a population of 30 or 50 beans.
Diversifying Selection: this is a concept more often used in nature, where one populations splits into two and then diverges due to different selective pressures. For example, early humans mated with chimpanzees for many centuries before the different selective pressures caused the two populations to diverge and become reproductively isolated from one another. For Cannabis breeders, this technique could be used to tease out the parent lines from an F1 hybrid. If you bought Thunderfuck Haze, and you had a good eye for both parental phenos, you could eventually have a truebreeding Thunderfuck line and a Haze line that would be more like the parents than like the original F1.
Robustness: A strain that produces similar phenotypes in a wide range of enviroments is said to be robust.
Variability: A measure of the differences in phenotypes within a strain. Some variability is good, for example if you want to harvest over a period of a week or 10 days instead of all at once. Much variablity is bad, for example if your closet has to contain plants that range from 2'-5' tall, or if your harvest window is 2 months instead of 2 weeks and you have other stuff to grow.
Stability:Another way to measure differences in phenotypes. The opposite of Variability.
Diversity: A measure of the genetic diversity within a population. The trick of the breeder is to maximize diversity while minizming variability. Diversity is necessary to allow plants to resist fungi and other pathogens, and to have genetic reserves that will allow the to slowly adapt to a changing climate in the years to come.
Stable Generation: A true F1 made between inbred parents, or a cross between two individuals of the same IBL, will produce seeds that are consistent from plant to plant. F1 plants will grow alike, but will not breed true. IBL's grow alike and will produce offspring that grow alike, both to each other and to the parents. Crossing an IBL to an F1 will produce intermediate results and is a good technique if you have the capacity to evaluate the offspring, or if you are looking for more than one keeper pheno in the progeny.
Segregating Generations: A cross between two hybrids will produce a wide range of phenotypes, especially if the hybrid grandparents are widely unrelated. Segregating generations are where the breeder goes to work, sorting through hundreds of plants to find the ones that meet the goal of the program. Most seeds on the market today are segregating generations.

 

[Dreamz_Of_Green]

The buds i was gave were solid with an sativa stone they said it was NL but i doubt it once in a while between harvest i buy from the streets .Once in a while i find weed with the RKS smell in high grade regs . it has the same kinda flavor u get from the smell followed by a sourlime after taste being who the person is who i get this green from is i know its coming from mexico AZ Texas areas. ive saved seeds and have them put up for outdoors 2011 but thinking of giving them a run indoors. but this be against everything i know and done for last 10yrs ...bagseed scare me indoors ...i always have shity luck outdoors so good bagseed goes outdoor retail indoor

 

[SacredTHCRitual]

Could i just add that there is nothing sweet about my OH x SK#1 plants. Im sure i read somewhere that sam had bred the rks pheno out of it? But let me tell you this, once this stuff is dried you have to be very careful where you store it. Whilst drying i had to pour petrol around my shed due to extreme paranoia of the smell it was really that bad. I have kept clones of this and will be putting it out again this growing season.

Im not saying its RKS but this stuff really does have a bad smell to it, its very noticeable to all and everyone wants it.

Here she is outdoor, harvested just under 1 pound. Going for gold with the clones this year and hoping to get a couple of monsters.

damn she looks beautiful


I can smell through the screen

This is somebody's picture of a skunk brick

 

[CrazyCooter]

Hash Plant

Hash Plant

Well what I find interesting/intriguing in the search for the RKS, is that so far there seem to be a few different descriptions of the nuggets. Lime green golf balls with few pistils, pine cone buds with bright orange pistils etc. etc. etc.
Now, what are the exact genetics of skunk?
(mazar x oaxacan) x oaxacan x mazar) x acapulco gold? (or was it columbian instead of oaxacan? ) stoned atm, don't recall...

I think we can all agree that the RKS stank comes from the Afghan lineage. Which seems to originate in the Mazar region. Higher or lower elevation though? I am sure a lot of you have seen pics of sativa looking afghan's grown at higher elevations.

Therefore, IMO because of the 3 way hybrid, possible differences in phenotypical expressions based on environment, different genotypical expressions, explains why some buds may appear different but carry the stank. So the fact people note different looking buds, while still noting the RKS funk we remember is easily explainable.


I don't think that the search should be limited to the Mazar region, as Money Mike has pointed out, other areas may contain that funk in it's landraces. But I would think that is the place to look first.

Just my two copper pieces on the subject.

I used to get Hash Plant in '99 in Utah that was as skunky as anything I have seen growing up in Cali in the '80s. Dark dull lime green nugs with silverish white overtones. One of the strongest indicas I have smelled or smoked. I see Hash Plant in Cali clubs that is nowhere close on looks, smell, or stone. It would definitely qualify as rks. I haven't seen anything better in the Cali club scene and have yet to come across a more skunky variety since then. I always want to search out a good HP cut but it seems that those genetics are not what they used to be.

 

[Hrpuffnkush]

Hrpuffnkush: Can I ask where you got the RKS from? Had you had it back in the day and how does what you have compare?

Also, are any seeds going to be sent to seedbay for auction??

Joestoner: Being here on the east coast, I'm not used to being able to look up cuts like that. That'd still be great news if it's out there available in Cali... If there are indeed 'real deal'cuts at clubs, hopefully that means it'll be available in seed or cuts to others soon..
I'd love to get a smell/taste/smoke report on one of those cuts from someone that had rks back in the day...at least to know it's out there for sure.

From Pop's he was member of BOEL , he gave me his old collection
i only have a Fem and i am patiently awaiting the right male to try to remake some in mean time im using my other clone only cuts to cross her with

 

[Hrpuffnkush]

Sounds dank, are you using STS or CS for the reversals?

Nature is best but when you have only couple seeds from 1979 you work with what you get my friend beggars cant be picky lol

Yes non genetic reversals.. stress induced..

and some F1 crosses also but im am very picky on males used on her....

RKS to me refers to PRE amsterdam Skunk1 , NON Haze skunk 1... no sweetness, more of a sulfur skunk spicy smell depends how long you let her go you can get slight variances

there are few heriloom strains from Afghanistan and Pakistan and few other places S america that have a skunk/sulfur smell as well
Skunk1 was more fine tuned i guess you could say the the heriloom strains from middle east and down south

 

[Guest423]

I would hope he would just let nature do it's thing...we want the males too right?

I could give two shits about males personally, if there is a female cutting that is RKS ,pile of S1 or feminized cross beans thats all you need. The way he had the cross listed tells you that there are no males since he's using clone only's in the cross.

 

[Guest423]

Nature is best but when you have only couple seeds from 1979 you work with what you get my friend beggars cant be picky lol

Yes non genetic reversals.. stress induced..

and some F1 crosses also but im am very picky on males used on her....

RKS to me refers to PRE amsterdam Skunk1 , NON Haze skunk 1... no sweetness, more of a sulfur skunk spicy smell depends how long you let her go you can get slight variances

there are few heriloom strains from Afghanistan and Pakistan and few other places S america that have a skunk/sulfur smell as well
Skunk1 was more fine tuned i guess you could say the the heriloom strains from middle east and down south

I've had great results using CS in my reversals.

I have over 100 Pre-Amsterdam skunk beans, circa 1978 from Mendo Joe. Pretty soon I'll be lookin through those, my buddy already ran some and crossed them with our Bubba Kush so that should be interesting to see what comes out of those here shortly.

 

[Hrpuffnkush]

I've had great results using CS in my reversals.

I have over 100 Pre-Amsterdam skunk beans, circa 1978 from Mendo Joe. Pretty soon I'll be lookin through those, my buddy already ran some and crossed them with our Bubba Kush so that should be interesting to see what comes out of those here shortly.

Wow great man i bet the bubbaSK is way killer . Mendo Joe had the goods so im sure you have some very special beans

it would have been nice to have more seeds so i could have found a male ,

i have quite a bit of pre amstrerdam beans.. but ones ive done so far have been fruity to slightly lime flavored , My RKS is the only pre 80's stink bugg i have found so far.. i do have a big sur holy but little more on the spicy side..

 

[Dr.TomAdams]

skunk dreams

 

[SacredTHCRitual]

hmm

hmm

For those that are interested...watch this video of Green House Seeds -- Strain Hunters -- Arjan goes to Malawi in expedition parody gear in pursuit of the skunky Malawi Gold...in the video Arjan finally finds a field they were looking for...if you listen in the video he tells the camera.."we found your stuff sam the skunkman"

I don't know if these two are on the best of terms or what but it wouldn't seem like it by the tone of the video...see what vibes you gather from it..

I would like to see a skunky sativa
video link:
http://strainhunters.com/portal/?q=node/15

 

[Hrpuffnkush]

i seen the Video. Arjan to me has a very bad attitude , getting mad all the time cause theres no plants flowering , I would think he is a smart enough breeder to know when Flowering season is for the Congo lol

I found an old pic from that pops had of a husk pygmy wrapped Mawaligold Chamba , Turd
he said was strongest sativa he ever smoked almost like LSD . ill try to scan it

But a lot has changed in 30 years i dont think "many" of the old strains have the Kick like the "Elite" strains we have now

 

[SacredTHCRitual]

i seen the Video. Arjan to me has a very bad attitude , getting mad all the time cause theres no plants flowering , I would think he is a smart enough breeder to know when Flowering season is for the Congo lol

I found an old pic from that pops had of a husk pygmy wrapped Mawaligold Chamba , Turd
he said was strongest sativa he ever smoked almost like LSD . ill try to scan it

But a lot has changed in 30 years i dont think "many" of the old strains have the Kick like the "Elite" strains we have now

I would be interested to know how Sam skunkman used this plant of the Congo and what he gained from it.

I have had the pleasure to smoke some pretty racey sativa's...some more euphoric and less speedy but still equally spacey are my favorite sativas. When people say 'almost' like LSD I laugh, because I don't think you can ever smoke as much to get to that level. Mind racing-trippy thoughts and stronger appreciation for music ect yes but it doesn't melt reality in front of your face. I don't see friends turn into animals or aliens or nothing like that but it does get one pretty high in the clouds.

a lot has changed but the old school strains still have that kick but what 'kick' are we talking about now? do you want the afghan sleepy? or the South American Shaman weed? I think the original strains still have the holy grail. I imagine golden flowers in the high mountains of mexico & south america be incredibly potent but still not on the same experience level as mushrooms or DMT...completely different worlds. all beautiful though

 

[CitrusHigh]

I agree sacred. LSD is a bit of a hyperbole, even saying like a solid mushroom trip is usually reaching a bit, but definitely a low dose mushroom trip would be quite accurate. Especially if you're a newer smoker. It's hard to get really high after you've been smoking for 5 or more years. I know that most dutch hybrids don't really do it for me anymore. With the exception of mind bending weed like Edelweiss, I just don't get that mind fuck that I used to. However, when I go to the caribbean, and I smoke the tropical sativas there, I'm right back where I want to be, high like in the old days, and those are not new genetics, that is the old stuff.

Arjan really pissed me off in strainhunters when I saw him passing out his dutch genetics in the villages there. That is seriously weak sauce, to go to a region that probably has exclusively land races and taint those genetics with his, potent sure, but uninteresting genetics (meaning the stone is boring in comparison with those land races).

I think if more people had a chance to try a true blue landrace sativa or two, or even landrace indicas, they would realize that maybe we're missing something with all our new crosses bred for lucrative indoor growing. Oh well, hopefully when the political climate changes for the better and the dust settles, some will have had the foresight to have jealously guarded old genes.

 

[SacredTHCRitual]

I agree sacred. LSD is a bit of a hyperbole, even saying like a solid mushroom trip is usually reaching a bit, but definitely a low dose mushroom trip would be quite accurate. Especially if you're a newer smoker. It's hard to get really high after you've been smoking for 5 or more years. I know that most dutch hybrids don't really do it for me anymore. With the exception of mind bending weed like Edelweiss, I just don't get that mind fuck that I used to. However, when I go to the caribbean, and I smoke the tropical sativas there, I'm right back where I want to be, high like in the old days, and those are not new genetics, that is the old stuff.

Arjan really pissed me off in strainhunters when I saw him passing out his dutch genetics in the villages there. That is seriously weak sauce, to go to a region that probably has exclusively land races and taint those genetics with his, potent sure, but uninteresting genetics (meaning the stone is boring in comparison with those land races).

I think if more people had a chance to try a true blue landrace sativa or two, or even landrace indicas, they would realize that maybe we're missing something with all our new crosses bred for lucrative indoor growing. Oh well, hopefully when the political climate changes for the better and the dust settles, some will have had the foresight to have jealously guarded old genes.

whats up man? glad to see ya stop by. you said it perfectly,
many of these hybrids make it easy for growing indo and yeah that's cool you can grow a short sativa indoor but damn we are missing out on the message from the sativa...

I have heard many wise growers say that Afghan cannabis and Sativa are two different worlds and almost two different plants entirely...the afghan indica plant is like a drug like opium poppy where the sativa brings vision and ecstatic experience. mixing the two is just blurring the messages. If you want to get stoned you get stoned and if you want to get high into the mind then you do so but now it's not so cut and dry. I believe that CBD may have addictive or at least habit forming qualities which is scary considering most people who consume cannabis now days mostly consumer some indica dom or hydrid..

When I smoke herb I want that uniquely cannabis ecstatic experience. If I wanted to go light speed ride down and through the mirrored tunnels of my nervous system I will take some mushrooms but yeah apples and oranges...

I thought Arjan's trek looked pretty tacky...the videos made them appear to be real european snobs...ya can't just go to these places and contaminate the local breeding stocks especially with landraces still dominant in those areas..completely irresponsible as indica pollen would destroy all of what nature has created there..they don't need the hybrids damn


Land Race Preservation seed company anybody?

 

[Hrpuffnkush]

i did end up getting the reversed 91Chem to work on the road kill i counted about 20 or so beans Man am i curious like little george the monkey to try those

i know its an S1 but least its some fresh old stinky genes being thrown in a little...

 

[Baba Ku]

An SI would be a self pollination (91Chem x 91Chem rev.). A Sk x reversed 91Chem would be an R1

 

[Chief Rbud]

i think maybe rks isnt what a lot of people thought it was back in the day, why else would herb so good vanish from the scene without a trace. i think some people are looking for something they wont find cause they are looking for the wrong thing... all i know is all this time if this thread going and it has never produced anything that anyone could 'verify' as 'rks' everyone argues about what it is and isnt and i just think you might be looking for something that never existed in the first place, not trying to hurt anyones feelings it just doesnt add up.

you have never had it this is obvious, it existed, and it smelled exactly as time2unite said, like a skunk just sprayed. the reason it was pretty much bred out of existence is because you could literally smell a patch of 10-15 plants that were in bud from a mile away. it stunk and stunk STRONG. it got many people around here busted, and every grower i know either tossed it or crossed it in order to tame the intensity of the smell. i grew and bred with it for 8 years, and i had a purple sat dom pheno after working with it for 8 years. but about 75% of the girls were hermies, it was worth it though, because the other 25% made great moms. it existed, and i believe it still exists, its just locked up in the genome somewhere waiting to express itself. it was so potent most crossed it to better smelling and tasting strains to increase potency on those strains. and it worked for that, but the RKS was lost in the process. its still around. but not in this community. i got some bagweed several years ago that was real close, but had a hint of sweet undertones. i wasnt growing at the time so i didnt think to save any seeds. i tried to find the seeds that i had in storage from my sat dom hybrid, but i couldnt. so i lost mine. maybe i will find her again, but im not insane, i would never grow it inside in the state i live in, i dont believe they make a carbon scrubber that could tame it.

 

[SacredTHCRitual]

i did end up getting the reversed 91Chem to work on the road kill i counted about 20 or so beans Man am i curious like little george the monkey to try those

i know its an S1 but least its some fresh old stinky genes being thrown in a little...

bound to find a keeper in those man -- keep it going and let us know what you find. go slow and don't kill the males right off the bat--if you can't get us some seeds I'll take some smudged on a post card cheers

Sacred has over 1000 beans of mixed varieties and strains to grow out some day but is currently not in the location financially or tactically as far as safe places to grow....

Chief Rbud,
whats up man?? I'm on the west coast what lands do you dwell in?
Keep looking for the seeds they may turn up in an old box never know! You grew and bred with it for 8+ years that means you've seen it in its many forms..you are saying that the stinker is not in the community but where else are we gonna find it? are you telling me to seek it over seas like south america or asia? or hit up the midwest corn field growers?

peace!
time for a smoke! solar rip!