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The recent invention of cannabis botany is a scam

aCBD

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Bedrolite (high cbd) is the least prescribed product for the least number of conditions at the company who’ve been prescribing the cannabis longest. Bedrocan (high thc) is the most often prescribed for the most number of conditions.

A quote from Ethan Russo (head researcher at gw pharmaceuticals when they were developing sativex)

‘there is nothing that cbd can do that thc can’t do better’

Medicinal cannabis exists, there was a lot of propaganda around the time cbd was legalised claiming that high cbd was medicinal and high thc recreational, the opposite is true.
If you like cbd it’s probably because it’s a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor, much better to use a precursor like 5htp for this because it doesn’t block the uptake of medicinal cannabinoids in the way cbd does.
Informative post, might help some folks.

I never said that medicinal cannabis does not exist.. i added the /sarcasm for a reason because of this PlastikTrollRubba.

THC or CBD use.. everyone should take what helps.
 

H e d g e

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CBD blocks the uptake of other cannabinoids? I didn't know that, then what happens with strains who have equivalent % of CBD/THC?
Tolerance and reduced peak uptake of thc. Cbd is a cannabinoid antagonist, it blocks the uptake of cannabinoids.

The theory is that if you block the uptake of cannabinoids with cbd then your body responds by increasing the production of endogenous cannabinoids (anandamide) but this has never been proven, the dose required for any measurable efficacy in any condition is huge when compared to the tiny amount of thc required to relieve symptoms.

Sativex was made with a 1:1 ratio of thc and cbd for political reasons, the uplifting happy feelings of contentment were considered a negative side effect so cbd was necessary to block the psychoactive effects of thc.

There are many different types of thc but sadly most modern varieties contain only delta9 which has a biphasic dose response (opposite effects in large doses) so it stupefies you and knocks you out. Cbd blocks peak uptake so reduces this effect.

Different types of thc like thcp can still be found in un-hybridised varieties and don’t have the biphasic knock out effect.

I personally require something without tolerance because I use it regularly for medicinal reasons, I also need to remain functional so it’s the landrace sativa that I believe is the best option for medicinal use.

A hallmark feature of un-hybridised medicinal cannabis is the complete absence of cbd, no tolerance breaks will be needed and it won’t be too delta9 dominant so won’t stupefy or knock you out in larger doses.
 
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I wonder what percentage of the icmag population who don’t conform to mass formation smoke type 1 pure landrace vs og skunk and hemp hybrids? And how that compares to the people who go along with it group? Should be measurable using this forum.
@doublezero what you got growing?
@Orange’s Greenhouse @MROrganicGreenz?
It would be good if there was actually accurate information coverage on those plants. If someone, and a huge amount of indoor growers do, type in landraces etc on youtube, most of the information is wrong or the videos are about and show plants that have definitely been hybridised. I think the sphere of information (which i suppose comes down to marketing) is to blame largely, because it has neglected pure landraces to sell expensive commercial hybrids. Saying that sativas take too long when most growers may "veg" for acouple months anyway, that kind of thing...people who are going with the flow on this indoor hybrids, its tricky when the largely accessible information seems to be so clearly left with gaping holes or intentionally scrambled, or made to imply that the hybrids now are the apex of the genetic potential of the plant etc etc etc
 
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I have to agree somewhat and disagree. I agree there is a lot of scamming out there but there he been plenty of invention specific to cannabis. For instance. The breading THC dominant auto flower, high CBD, and all kinds of other cannabinoids also feminised seeds. So this was my Bible back in the day none of this was around back when Clarke wrote the book, that's copyright 1981 it a nice read I still recommend it ! View attachment 19107020
Please do you have any more similar book recommendations? Thanks either way
 

Orange's Greenhouse

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That is not true. I have witnessed first hand the efficacy of CBD ingestion and the nearly miraculous results in treating neurological/seizure disorders.

My background in the sciences had lead me to be the world's largest Skeptic, especially concerning "alternative medications" so when I witnessed tangible results from CBD, I was mwas






You are simultaneously humorous as well as ignorant and presumptuous.

All those that practice in the fields of science and medicine have extensive backgrounds in statistics.

How do you believe the data is quantitatively analyzed when presented for publication?

The analysis is obviously based on results of objective empirical data, not "laying hands" which is not relevant to the scientific method whatsoever.

But..continue on with your Dunning Kruger, ignorance is bliss for some.
soo... did you read your studies or just chose headlines that you liked? I'm just skimming through. There's probably more to find.

The first has no methodology, how the literature was surveyed. There are also other red flags such as saying " CBD is generally considered safe", not substantiating that claim with a quotation and following it with a long list of studies that showed hepatotoxicity.
The second study is in an obscure journal, has no co-authors and is written by a doctor employed in a hospital. This raises generally eyebrows and warrants further scrutitiny of the paper. No methodology is described. It has too few citations to substantiate the claims it makes, e.g. a single 20 year old book is cited to prove a long list of adverse effects of "cannabis". Good scientific practice looks different. That the author is not a native english speaker and did not use the help of an editor is not looking good either. There are also strange assesments, such as calling a 15 % serious AE rate 'well tolerated' and not discussing a 20 % drop out rate in one study.
The third paper says it best with it's own words "studies with larger samples and specific objectives are required before definitive conclusions can be drawn."
The last site sells CBD and guess what? It's a miracle drug that solves all problems. how strange...

So, what is your point again? That CBD is well established in medical practice and not just one of many, many substances in clinical development that will probably fail? 90 % of all investigational substances entering the clinic fail, so that wouldn't be too surprising.
 

CharlesU Farley

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kro-magnon

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It's probably placebo. Pain is very amendable to placebo effect which is one of the reasons why new pain drugs have a difficult time in the clinic.
CBD is probably not a causal agent. For one it probably is not 30 % CBD in the oil but an ointment that contains 30 % of an CBD infused oil. If that infusion has 10 % CBD (probably less) then it would be 3 % CBD in the ointment. CBD itself is not ideal to diffuse through the skin. It is way too lipophilic to go through the skin. If it is not decarboxylated the charge hinders diffusion further. Additionally the drugs that are formulated into transdermal patches are very potent. testosterone and other hormones, fentanyl and the like, all active in micrograms. CBD for epilepsy has a dose 1000 times higher.
But even then placebo is bigger than 0, so it does help by all metrics. Massaging joints also helps with pain, which happens during application.
You're assuming a lot here and you're wrong, it is sublingual oil and really dosed at 30%, I know the producers.
 

dogzter

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How can you say CBD is a "giant scam," then Literally go on to say; "THEY USE THE MEDICAL BENEFITS TO CONFUSE THE STUPID!"

These two cannot be mutually exclusive, if by your own admission it has medical benefits...then it is not a scam.

No legitimate scientist/researchers or clinicians have claimed it is a panacea.
"The medical benefits of cannabis to confuse the stoopid."
See that's you ,the stoopid.
You either didn't read or read into a very simple statement.
Then you formed a opinion on your mistake and made a post calling me silly........hilarious.
😆
 

kro-magnon

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Both sides in this forum heavily rely on anectdotal evidence. To often people here are suspecting a conspiracy xD But paranoida can be a side effect of long term heavy cannabis consumption, so it makes sense ;D
Personal experience is the way we form our opinion, nothing wrong with telling how it works for you as long as you don't think your personal experience is the only true one. The problem is more here than telling personal experience. Too many people don't want to understand we don't all have the same reaction to the same stimuli.
 

H e d g e

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Both sides in this forum heavily rely on anectdotal evidence. To often people here are suspecting a conspiracy xD But paranoida can be a side effect of long term heavy cannabis consumption, so it makes sense ;D
It possible that it’s genuine people who are suffering from mass formation hypnosis.
Uplifting cannabis interferes with hypnosis, Knock out cannabis doesn’t.
 

kro-magnon

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The more I read the more I think there are members on here getting paid to post positive reviews about cbd, maybe if it’s impossible to stifle accurate information the only option is to overwhelm the boards with misinformation to create the illusion of controversy. If this is true who’s paying them?
Where can I get paid to give positive reviews? Really interested.
 

H e d g e

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Unlikely

You got valid data on that or is it maybe just "suffering from mass formation hypnosis?"
I can’t find it now, just loads of adverts for cannabis addiction hypnotherapy (it’s not addictive, it prevents addiction, see ‘opioid sparing’) but I’m sure I read that knock out cannabis increases susceptibility to hypnosis and uplifting cannabis interferes with it.
If I find the research again I’ll post it and tag you.
 
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