EasyBakeIndica
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NPK said:
Oh man, this actually happens more than I'd like. It's only frustrating because they get they're roots entangled soo quickly.
Still, it's even more hilarious to see it grow in cactus medium.
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Oh man, this actually happens more than I'd like. It's only frustrating because they get they're roots entangled soo quickly.
Still, it's even more hilarious to see it grow in cactus medium.
Hello all,
I am considering reusing my soil as its geting harder to get rid of the spent soil.
I believe the 3LB's garden used plastic tubs which did not drain to waste (i.e. runoff). I also use pots which do not drain.
My question is with organics is there a salt build-up from lack of drainage?
Also, can I keep smaller amounts of soil (3 gallons (dry)) in a 5 gallon bucket and achieve proper soil restoration?
minds_I
I am considering reusing my soil as its geting harder to get rid of the spent soil.
I believe the 3LB's garden used plastic tubs which did not drain to waste (i.e. runoff). I also use pots which do not drain.
My question is with organics is there a salt build-up from lack of drainage?
Also, can I keep smaller amounts of soil (3 gallons (dry)) in a 5 gallon bucket and achieve proper soil restoration?
minds_I
Hello all,
I wanted to ask you for your opinions on my first re-use of soil.
In four weeks I need my soil ready for transplant. This will be for flowering of SDOG you may have heard about.
Anyway this is what I have on hand as of this typing:
Blood meal
Bone meal
some Alaska fish sckweezin'z
some EJ bloom
some liquid kelp http://www.greenair.com/bio-genesis.htm#Bio-Genesis High Tide Seaweed
ewc
perlite
bat guano (some 3-10-0 and 0.2-12-0.1)
dry molasses
epsom salts
wood ash (good hard oak)
D.lime
dry non-fat milk
I also have spent first run ffof which was initially mixed at 50/30/20 of ffof/ewc(compost)/perlite. The plants were grown with teas of the above mix and were in pots that did not drain. Salt build-up??"?
My plan for making a flowering mix is this.
To one gallon (dry) soil I want to add:
1 heaping tbsn of blood meal
2 heaping tbsn of bone meal
1 tbsn guano
1 tbsn wood ash
2 tbsn of dry molasses
2 tbsn dry non fat milk (loaded with amino acids)
I will wet with full strenght liquid kelp at a volume of 1 quart liquid to 1 gallon(dry of soil and ammendments).
Allow to sit covered for four weeks and the temps are going down so the buckets would be around 60*F.
Well, what are your thoughts on this.
minds_I
I wanted to ask you for your opinions on my first re-use of soil.
In four weeks I need my soil ready for transplant. This will be for flowering of SDOG you may have heard about.
Anyway this is what I have on hand as of this typing:
Blood meal
Bone meal
some Alaska fish sckweezin'z
some EJ bloom
some liquid kelp http://www.greenair.com/bio-genesis.htm#Bio-Genesis High Tide Seaweed
ewc
perlite
bat guano (some 3-10-0 and 0.2-12-0.1)
dry molasses
epsom salts
wood ash (good hard oak)
D.lime
dry non-fat milk
I also have spent first run ffof which was initially mixed at 50/30/20 of ffof/ewc(compost)/perlite. The plants were grown with teas of the above mix and were in pots that did not drain. Salt build-up??"?
My plan for making a flowering mix is this.
To one gallon (dry) soil I want to add:
1 heaping tbsn of blood meal
2 heaping tbsn of bone meal
1 tbsn guano
1 tbsn wood ash
2 tbsn of dry molasses
2 tbsn dry non fat milk (loaded with amino acids)
I will wet with full strenght liquid kelp at a volume of 1 quart liquid to 1 gallon(dry of soil and ammendments).
Allow to sit covered for four weeks and the temps are going down so the buckets would be around 60*F.
Well, what are your thoughts on this.
minds_I
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Big Brother
Member
Soil reuses/ok
Soil reuses/ok
The best way to reuse soil is to cycle it, firstly you need to half wine barrels and you dump the plant soil into each barrell and and if you wish all house organic go into the barrell and you grow outside you can mix the soil with either steer or chicken manure , or a blend of both. of course if you outside grower you will not probably want to add the manure and even perhaps the organics, but a half a wine barrell holds alot of potting soil and you can
alternate the barrells of soil, during the winter you can cover it with plastic and this will the rain wash out the left fertilzer salts and if use a black and give it 10-14 days in the hot sun in the spring the temperature will kills most of the bad fungus and viruses.. If you turn over a few times you will have a pretty good soil. Outside grow the darker the soil the richer it is nutruent to grow in.
Soil reuses/ok
The best way to reuse soil is to cycle it, firstly you need to half wine barrels and you dump the plant soil into each barrell and and if you wish all house organic go into the barrell and you grow outside you can mix the soil with either steer or chicken manure , or a blend of both. of course if you outside grower you will not probably want to add the manure and even perhaps the organics, but a half a wine barrell holds alot of potting soil and you can
alternate the barrells of soil, during the winter you can cover it with plastic and this will the rain wash out the left fertilzer salts and if use a black and give it 10-14 days in the hot sun in the spring the temperature will kills most of the bad fungus and viruses.. If you turn over a few times you will have a pretty good soil. Outside grow the darker the soil the richer it is nutruent to grow in.
Is there any way to easily detect Salt buildup levels in Soil?
I have been re-using my soil for awhile now. (Maybe 4 or 5 cycles with the same stuff)
And I have used Tiger Bloom at times, and Pure Bloom Pro. (Besides Grow big and adding some lime and bone meal, blood meal, etc..)
I don't want to experience this salt toxity I see people talking about, but have no idea how to detect that. My plants seem to be fine.
I have a XX gallon container that usually has like 12 gallons worth of previous soil that sits on the side while I am running my current cycle. (Which usually is like 3, 4 gallon soil containers) The soil has been home to earth worms that have managed to stay alive for almost 2 years now. Is that a good sign?
I usually take the males or small ammounts of extra leaves etc and throw it in with the 12 gallons worth of soil on the side and mix it up over the cycle of my plant, then when they are done I dump the soil back in the big container, remove all the roots that I can, mix it up, throw a little lime back in a little blood and bone meal and sometimes some bat guano then moisten it up and let it sit for a few weeks before re-using. (Stiring every 3 or so days) Usually when I mix I come across the worms then.
The soil now has a weird smell to it, not earthy at least from what I can tell. Not spoiled or anything either, kind of like a health food vitamin store smells like when you walk in.
I am on my like 6th run now and just went into flowering, the plants seem to be healthy from this re-used soil so I am not sure I would have a salt build up by now.
I have been re-using my soil for awhile now. (Maybe 4 or 5 cycles with the same stuff)
And I have used Tiger Bloom at times, and Pure Bloom Pro. (Besides Grow big and adding some lime and bone meal, blood meal, etc..)
I don't want to experience this salt toxity I see people talking about, but have no idea how to detect that. My plants seem to be fine.
I have a XX gallon container that usually has like 12 gallons worth of previous soil that sits on the side while I am running my current cycle. (Which usually is like 3, 4 gallon soil containers) The soil has been home to earth worms that have managed to stay alive for almost 2 years now. Is that a good sign?
I usually take the males or small ammounts of extra leaves etc and throw it in with the 12 gallons worth of soil on the side and mix it up over the cycle of my plant, then when they are done I dump the soil back in the big container, remove all the roots that I can, mix it up, throw a little lime back in a little blood and bone meal and sometimes some bat guano then moisten it up and let it sit for a few weeks before re-using. (Stiring every 3 or so days) Usually when I mix I come across the worms then.
The soil now has a weird smell to it, not earthy at least from what I can tell. Not spoiled or anything either, kind of like a health food vitamin store smells like when you walk in.
I am on my like 6th run now and just went into flowering, the plants seem to be healthy from this re-used soil so I am not sure I would have a salt build up by now.
Hello all,
My plan for making a flowering mix is this.
To one gallon (dry) soil I want to add:
1 heaping tbsn of blood meal
2 heaping tbsn of bone meal
1 tbsn guano
1 tbsn wood ash
2 tbsn of dry molasses
2 tbsn dry non fat milk (loaded with amino acids)
I will wet with full strenght liquid kelp at a volume of 1 quart liquid to 1 gallon(dry of soil and ammendments).
Allow to sit covered for four weeks and the temps are going down so the buckets would be around 60*F.
Well, what are your thoughts on this.
bump?
minds_I
My plan for making a flowering mix is this.
To one gallon (dry) soil I want to add:
1 heaping tbsn of blood meal
2 heaping tbsn of bone meal
1 tbsn guano
1 tbsn wood ash
2 tbsn of dry molasses
2 tbsn dry non fat milk (loaded with amino acids)
I will wet with full strenght liquid kelp at a volume of 1 quart liquid to 1 gallon(dry of soil and ammendments).
Allow to sit covered for four weeks and the temps are going down so the buckets would be around 60*F.
Well, what are your thoughts on this.
bump?
minds_I
V
vonforne
minds_I said:
This sounds like a good mix. I love the non fat milk for amino acids. I have never tried that in a soil mix.....dry. What type of guano is it?
1 qt to 1 gallon kelp to how many gallons of soil?
Have you mixed it up yet?
V
Hello all,
Thanks for the feedback vonforne.
I will use 1 quart of mixed liquid kelp from concentrate to one gallon of dry soil.
The guano is a 3-10-.1. As to where its from I do not recall.
No, Ihave not mixed up the soil yet but thats alright as I have plenty of ffof and kelloggs patio plus in large plastic bins.
I have been having excellent results thus far with the dry milk. But other factors could be in play that have also improved my crops so I am not saying its the holy grail.
I should note that I found out about 4 months ago that I have "sequestered city water" which means I have no iron, magnesium or calcium in my water. Since I discovered this and started supplimenting with calcium and magnesium I have seen great improvements.
The milk aids in supplimenting Ca, Mg. As well as the amino acids, P and K. I feel since I started using the powdered milk, my grows have improved dramitically for me.
minds_I
Thanks for the feedback vonforne.
I will use 1 quart of mixed liquid kelp from concentrate to one gallon of dry soil.
The guano is a 3-10-.1. As to where its from I do not recall.
No, Ihave not mixed up the soil yet but thats alright as I have plenty of ffof and kelloggs patio plus in large plastic bins.
I have been having excellent results thus far with the dry milk. But other factors could be in play that have also improved my crops so I am not saying its the holy grail.
I should note that I found out about 4 months ago that I have "sequestered city water" which means I have no iron, magnesium or calcium in my water. Since I discovered this and started supplimenting with calcium and magnesium I have seen great improvements.
The milk aids in supplimenting Ca, Mg. As well as the amino acids, P and K. I feel since I started using the powdered milk, my grows have improved dramitically for me.
minds_I
wicked gh0st
Member
Can you add cow manure 2 ur teas?? is that a good idea or bad idea ??
Wrong thread wicked ghost, never mind,,,,, the problem with cow manure is unless it has been composted thermally, chances are it will still contain pathogens, even then it wont be a compost tea but more of a manure tea/leachate, this is not to say it's not a good thing, but problems may occur.
[QUOTE from SFI ] - Manure teas should not be used on human foodstuffs any sooner than 90 to 120 days before harvest.] - as well as our beloved herb.
mmmhmm. this means a huge savings for me cuz i usually use about 16 cu ft of soil per grow. that stuff gets pretty expensive. i am going to try it out, i have two 40 gal trashcans full of soil plus the soil from this crop.
i hope to one day never buy soil again. then i will be happy
i hope to one day never buy soil again. then i will be happy
FRANKENBLUNT420
me blunt is like, wicked yo!! owight
THAT IS SO AWESOME!!!! LMAO but it does provide a perplexing problem now doesn't it? lolNPK said:Man, I've gotta subscribe to any thread whose main topic is composting. Love it! It's a win-win any way you slice it. I'm impressed by you cats who add all the fancy crap to your bins--I figure I've got more than enough maintenance to deal with in my life to actively tend to my compost, too. All mine gets is fruit and vegetable trimmings, coffee grinds, leaves, and shredded paper/pulp materials like egg cartons and used paper towels. Oh, and used soil, of course, a tip I picked up here. No idea why I didn't recycle it before, but am so glad I do now.
About three weeks ago, I made up some cactus/succulent mix by mixing up three parts old compost with one part construction sand. I potted up a small barrel cactus, topped it with sandbox-grade sand (it looks nicer than the construction stuff) and stuck it out in the backyard. Today as I was tending the succulent garden I did a massive double-take when I saw this:
No idea at all what the seedling is, but I sure hope it's Caramella!!
V
vonforne
swampdank said:mmmhmm. this means a huge savings for me cuz i usually use about 16 cu ft of soil per grow. that stuff gets pretty expensive. i am going to try it out, i have two 40 gal trashcans full of soil plus the soil from this crop.
i hope to one day never buy soil again. then i will be happy
Make sure your soil is in a container that is easyfor you to turn the soil on a regular basis. Trash cans are great......just lay them down and roll.....make sure the lid is secured tightly. I generally use rubber maid containers or a tarp and plastic to cover. Check out my gallery to see an example.
Good posting everyone.
V
He3llo all,
V it is interesting you should mention turning your soil regularly.
I have just mixed up some soil I have been keeping in 5 gallon buckets. I have troubles mixing large batches at a time so the buckets work for me. I use a paint mixer attached to a drill motor and this works well. In fact I just started using it tonight and it is great for my needs.
The buckets are then covered with a lid with a hole 2" hole in the center for air.
I mixed 4 heaping tbsn each of blood and bone meals and I added 1.5 liters of water with liquid kelp at 2x strenght added to 6 galons (dry) of spent soil.
I use pots that do not drain (much like 3LB's method) and I only use organic ferts (guano, ewc, kelp, dry milk, EJ bloom and Alaska fish skweezins) for my teas.
Do you think I put too much admendments?
I will need the soil in 24 days or so...is this enough time considering my shed temps are 58*F or so?
minds_I
V it is interesting you should mention turning your soil regularly.
I have just mixed up some soil I have been keeping in 5 gallon buckets. I have troubles mixing large batches at a time so the buckets work for me. I use a paint mixer attached to a drill motor and this works well. In fact I just started using it tonight and it is great for my needs.
The buckets are then covered with a lid with a hole 2" hole in the center for air.
I mixed 4 heaping tbsn each of blood and bone meals and I added 1.5 liters of water with liquid kelp at 2x strenght added to 6 galons (dry) of spent soil.
I use pots that do not drain (much like 3LB's method) and I only use organic ferts (guano, ewc, kelp, dry milk, EJ bloom and Alaska fish skweezins) for my teas.
Do you think I put too much admendments?
I will need the soil in 24 days or so...is this enough time considering my shed temps are 58*F or so?
minds_I
V
vonforne
Hey MI, No I do not think that is too much amendments for 6 gallons of soil. That is around 1/2 to 3/4 of TBS per gallon. Your teas are well rounded if I remember from the OFC posts you have made.
Could I suggest some mineral supplements also for your soil? I prefer Rich Earth. I posted a link earlier in this thread.
The low temps slow the bacteria from multiplying as fast. Which in turn will slow down the digestion of the organic material in the substrate but I think there would be enough to feed the plants and you could do your first couple of waterings with a high EWC tea to give that extra bacterial need.
V
Could I suggest some mineral supplements also for your soil? I prefer Rich Earth. I posted a link earlier in this thread.
The low temps slow the bacteria from multiplying as fast. Which in turn will slow down the digestion of the organic material in the substrate but I think there would be enough to feed the plants and you could do your first couple of waterings with a high EWC tea to give that extra bacterial need.
V
G
Guest
Just plant a few vegetables and start a compost pile, that is what I am going to do. I am going to try your bacteria breeding in my vegetable garden with some alfalfa or other homegrown cover crops. I bet my spring garden will go crazy.A few veges or flowers explains the compost pile and you can recycle your marijane soil.
Rev. Alucian
New member
Howdy folks!
Thanks to all who have enriched this thread with their experience. I am keen on taking advantage of recycling my soil, and have a question about recycling Moonshine Mix. MoonshineMan stated in the MSM thread that his mix should not be recycled more than once, though I think he may have meant reuse(without ammendment).
My thinking says adding POM starter mix and POM fruit and veggie, dol. lime, Maxicrop liquid, Earth Nectar and Earth Ambrosia, possibly more perlite would revive the mix. Any comments? This will be my first go at recycling, and I'm still wrapping the mind around what should be added back.
Von-when will we be seeing more of your work? Hope life's good in your spot on the globe
Thanks to all who have enriched this thread with their experience. I am keen on taking advantage of recycling my soil, and have a question about recycling Moonshine Mix. MoonshineMan stated in the MSM thread that his mix should not be recycled more than once, though I think he may have meant reuse(without ammendment).
My thinking says adding POM starter mix and POM fruit and veggie, dol. lime, Maxicrop liquid, Earth Nectar and Earth Ambrosia, possibly more perlite would revive the mix. Any comments? This will be my first go at recycling, and I'm still wrapping the mind around what should be added back.
Von-when will we be seeing more of your work? Hope life's good in your spot on the globe
V
vonforne
Rev. Alucian said:Howdy folks!
Thanks to all who have enriched this thread with their experience. I am keen on taking advantage of recycling my soil, and have a question about recycling Moonshine Mix. MoonshineMan stated in the MSM thread that his mix should not be recycled more than once, though I think he may have meant reuse(without ammendment).
My thinking says adding POM starter mix and POM fruit and veggie, dol. lime, Maxicrop liquid, Earth Nectar and Earth Ambrosia, possibly more perlite would revive the mix. Any comments? This will be my first go at recycling, and I'm still wrapping the mind around what should be added back.
Von-when will we be seeing more of your work? Hope life's good in your spot on the globe
Adding the mentioned amendments is a good start. Also think of some long term release sources also. I liked working with different release times for the same nutrients. Inoculate the substrate with a good microbial tea and let nature so its thing.
I am setting up to take a fungi culture from the forest soon. I am also preparing my spring grow with the coming of the nettles and the finish of my first compost. I will be soing everything from new.
Things are good here but a little cold at times.
See ya soon.
V
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YwouldntI
ive never tried this personally but a friend of mine freezes his old soil after cleaning root mass out-he says it is just like what mother nature does in the winter freezes the ground and makes it fertile again???does that sound like a solid theory?i always wondered if its true,kinda sounds right.
