The Patroit Act A.K.A We No Longer Have Rights Act

[genkisan]

hey genkisan dont mix up which side I am on... we have the same problem with our govt but you gotta put dues where they are due... no warnin on 911. no warning on oklahoma... no preparation on post iraq invasion... doesnt sound competent does it?

Is it incompetance, or purposeful?


The two terrorist incidents you cite caused a huge rise in the power and control the US govt has on its population.......



I personally think it is very likely that and potential warning signs were ignored or covered up........so as to give the admin the excuse to put ass-raping laws like the Patriot Act in place.

As far as 9/11, I think it is quite possible the Bush admins involvement goes way deeper than ignoring signs......WAY too many unanswered questions there, my friend.

 

[naga_sadu]

I've seen first hand how things operate in states and I am confident they couldn't find a dog shit if they were standing in it

Couldn't agree w/ u more. For starters, the NSA/ CIA combine has always had an eye on our nuclear programme since 1974. I was really shocked that even after using all their hi tech multi billion dollar satellites, they failed to detect the 1998 nuclear tests- the local scientists only used cheap camo tents and a very basic underground rail system to haul the nuclear shit. And the CIA/NSA were supposedly having a "leak proof" watch over the Subcontinent. Their satellites were watching the entire programme, apparently and they also claimed that they've penetrated our national research and development wings. In 1988, the CIA issued a very strict warning that all they're watching our activities better than we are. What a pile of dinosaur shit it turned out to be, exactly 10 yrs. later...

Yet- the CIA/NSA combine only knew of the tests after it was announced on public radio and national TV by the govt. As in, I knew about the tests before the CIA/NSA combine I think it's the paranoid ppls. with a good sense of sci fi imagination combined with those w/ apathy which gives agencies like CIA/NSA this so called "demi God" status.

Coming back to this episode, this is not a single person like Osama Bin Laden or Mulla Omar. It's a bloody national nuclear programme which has been going on from '74 to '98 and the whole time, the NSA/CIA combine had absolutely no clue. Finding a single person like Osama or Mulla Omar, is by no doubt difficult because it will be like looking for a needle in a haystack. But a national nuclear programme...that too, one which was supposedly watched since 1974? It's like not being able to find a fucking fatass cow, sitting on a haystack in a well lit enclosed small room. I'm sorry, but I'm inclined to believe you got to REALLY try hard to be a dumbass to miss this one...!

If you want to study the pathetic "intelligence" of this so called NSA/CIA combine, plz. do some research on Pokhran 1998 tests. Don't read a US govt account (unless u're in for excuses) or an Indian govt. report (unless u're in for propaganda). See a third party neutral account and you'll see for yourselves how pathetic these CIA/NSA are.

After this entire Pokhran episode, I wonder whether or not the drug kingpins the CIA claimed to have helped track so efficiently are really kingpins or just a bunch of burnt out burrito vendors in Tijuana....

Now, I'm not going to go on bragging about how good our intelligence people are. They're pathetic, compared to international standards. ZERO international presence. Have you ever heard about the Research and Analysis Wing (our local intelligence wing) doing ANYTHING in ANY news source? Have they even been figured in a news source??? Nope. They get about 1/16th of what the LAPD gets (per annum).

Ask anyone about the abilities of the CIA/NSA here and they'll laugh. CIA = Collection of Idiots and Arswipes...it's the corpo kappis which are the dangerous ones...

 

[mrwags]

And for those who think it might be a good idea to stand proud and sing about injustice:

The Clinton Body Count

A number of people connected to Bill Clinton have turned up dead.

James McDougal - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation. Was James McDougal Murdered In A Federal Prison To Silence Him?
Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.
The Botched Ron Brown Investigation
An Interview with AFIP Forensic Photographer Kathleen Janoski
by Wesley Phelan
Vince Foster - Former white House councelor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock's Rose law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide. Snippets From The Vince Foster Death Investigation


Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just as she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
Mary C. Mahoney and Eric Butera

Was this just a robbery gone bad? - See: Starbucks Suspect Faces Host of Charges By Bill Miller Washington Post, August 5, 1999


C. Victor Raiser II - & - Montgomery Raiser: Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor".

Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people containing names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an aparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.

Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson died in May 1994 was found dead in her living roon with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she was going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

Bill Shelton - Arkansas state Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the gravesite of his fiancee.

Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton friend Dan Lassater died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

Florence Martin - Accountant - Sub-contractor for the CIA related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. Died of three gunshot wounds.

Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

Paula Grober - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparent suicide in the middle of his investigation.

Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15,1993 Was investigating Morgan Guarantee scandal.

Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory council personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother.

Barry Seal - Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, Death was no accident.

Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Clinton in the trunk of a car left in his repair shop. Died when his car hit a utility pole.

Stanley Huggins - Suicide. Investigated Madison Guarantee. His report was never released.

Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.

Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena arkansas airport drug operation. Controversal case where initial report of death was due to falling asleep on railroad track. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury. see: The Train Deaths - plus some comments from a mother of one of the boys about the connection to Bill Clinton..
THE FOLLOWING SEVEN PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES / HENRY CASE:

Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck July, 1988

Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988

Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

James Milan - Found decapitated. Coroner ruled death due to natural causes.

Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.

Richard Winters - Was a suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. Was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.
THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD
Major William S. Barkley Jr.
Captain Scott J. Reynolds
Sgt. Brian Hanley
Sgt. Tim Sabel
Major General William Robertson
Col. William Densberger
Col. Robert Kelly
Spec. Gary Rhodes
Steve Willis
Robert Williams
Conway LeBleu
Todd McKeehan

Gotta know when to pick your fights I guess,
Mr.Wags

 

[2buds]

So far it looks like if you grow don't send threat letters or emails to the Pres. or risk having your ass snooped.
Did anyone ever see the video about the towers being wired with explosives just weeks before the planes hit? The reports from tower employees that weeks before they fell; unannounced evacuations took place all the while gov contractors entered the towers with no known reason and gave none. I'm gonna look for the link to that video, fuggin spooky.
Yes on the election being rigged, amazing the Pres brothers' state had poll issues and announced I believe after a hand count that Bush had collected enough electorial votes but somehow not enough cast votes to win,huh?
I never hear anyone mention the Free Masons but what a hand they hold in our countries poker game. I believe they hold 3 out of 4 aces in this land. I have family entering into the masons and maybe with some time I can get on the inside and see what part they play in our country. I feel sure their part is larger than anyone would ever admit to as many of our founding fathers were masons. I get the feeling that many of the big corporations wheels are a part of the masons and we know for sure that corporations run the US. Without corporate funded research there would be no research and when you pay for the report the report says exactly what you want it to. None corporate funded research is usually down plaid as false or inadequate or couldn't possibly be right since dupont didn't conduct it. For a quicky, when dupont's patent ran out on R12 freon, it was all of sudden bad for the environment and taken off the market in the US, now dupont holds the patent on R134 freon and of course its what is sold in all new cars. Cha-Ching! And all that non compatible shit-BullSHIT(experience when times were tuff, topped it off with R134) just a way to make money.
Just my uneducated ass thinking.

Damn Wags-becareful bro, they'd just say your gunshot was a drug deal gone bad or your house fire was due to an illegal grow op. Spoky Spooky
The decapitated head was a natural cause,yeh his fuggin head just fell off.

 

[genkisan]

The way I see it, all these evil, greedy control-minded fascist fucknuts are driving the world economy and state of affairs to a point where the whole cannoli is gonna blow it's own asshole out within the next 50 years.

Humanity is headed for another Dark Ages, folks.......and them who are not set up in a self-sustainable way deep in the bush when the shit hits the fan will die screaming in food and fuel riots in the cities......

And the sooner that happens, the more chance there is of this planet being able to continue to support human life. The sooner it happens, the less damage the Corpo-Nazis can do to the planet, and the more chance humanity has of surviving in the long run........

So in a very real sense, the evil ones will make the world untenable to support their short-sighted malignant, over-consumptive economic system......and after the shit hits the fan in the very big way that is coming, the hairy hippies in the woods will inherit the Earth.


Humanity at this stage of the game MUST consciously and voluntarily choose a much lower-key, lower tech lifestyle for a good long while, until we can learn to think in the very long term, and use this wonderful gift of tool-using thumbs and a large brain-case to our species' advantage..........not to make stupid materialistic toys and bullshit that will destroy the home our children will inherit, in order to make some evil donkeyhonking scumbag richer than anyone needs to be.

So in the long term, all the machinations of all these corrupt politicians and their corporate masters are kinda moot, as they are digging their own graves......and the grave of the parasitic society they have created.

Learn to grow yer own food folks...and teach yer kids....cuz in 50-75 years, there will be no infrastructure or economy to support yer local grocery store, or yer job, or much else.

And that is a very generous estimate, in terms of the timing.......

 

[BBc16]

Hey genkisan I actually have a thread going on right now that I put up a couple days ago with the video I think you were talking about. naga sadu has seen it and made a couple of comments on it which I also found pretty intreresting. Here is a link and I think everyone should see the video.

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=497523#post497523

BBc16

 

[BBc16]

sorry about the name mix up meant 2buds made the comment on the video.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Bush is a dildo.

 

[LeoNardoDaVinci]

I don't judge but do read a lot and know my facts and if it is another Democrat the war will continue and it will get worse. History proves Democrats take us to war sad but true and I'm very very blue.


Mr.Wags

Did you mean republican, I think so. The guy talking about tv being a brain washing, mind control device...I agree. Lately I have grown so sick of tv I almost puke when I c the endless reel of fake people talking about things that do not matter. This has been ever since I did mescaline a few weeks ago and lots of people were over at my house watching tv, but I couldn't watch/enjoy it with them, I saw through everyone on the tv into their disgustingly unpure souls. Now tv just makes me sick.

 

[mrwags]

Did you mean republican, I think so. The guy talking about tv being a brain washing, mind control device...I agree. Lately I have grown so sick of tv I almost puke when I c the endless reel of fake people talking about things that do not matter. This has been ever since I did mescaline a few weeks ago and lots of people were over at my house watching tv, but I couldn't watch/enjoy it with them, I saw through everyone on the tv into their disgustingly unpure souls. Now tv just makes me sick.

Damn fellas I was so pissed when I read it in USA Today I couldn't even see straight. Yes my dumbass admits the mistake, Bush is a Republican.

Damn stoner is me. My Bad

Mr.Wags

 

[genkisan]

Did you mean republican, I think so. The guy talking about tv being a brain washing, mind control device...I agree. Lately I have grown so sick of tv I almost puke when I c the endless reel of fake people talking about things that do not matter. This has been ever since I did mescaline a few weeks ago and lots of people were over at my house watching tv, but I couldn't watch/enjoy it with them, I saw through everyone on the tv into their disgustingly unpure souls. Now tv just makes me sick.

There is a fabulous book called "Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television", by Jerry Mander, an ex-advertising executive......read it my friend.....you will want to do more than puke when you realize just how calculated and complete the manipulation of the public mind thru TV has become.

 

[KingRalph]

Jeb Bush for 2008!

bad joke i know... more a heads up...

 

[guineapig]

welcome CC!!!

 

[treble]

genkisan i agree with you on that...the dark ages are coming and no one seems to see it.... well the masses dont, they are too distracted by consumerism and gossip.....

the planet cant sustain it..

I have been working my ass off with a view to getting someplace out in the never never away from all this shit where I can be selfsustaining... got a long ways to go yet so I hope i can get there.... its tough.. money dont go anyware these days.....

here's something for you....nostrodamus.... good old nostro...he is noted as saying that the world will enter a 36 year war. It will start without anyone realising, but will result in the anhilation of the peoples of europe... the mass slaughter of christians in abominable fashion...

at the end there will be a vastly reduced population that will live in a dark ages... this will continue for 300 years before the planet becomes alone from the human race....

also during that time a meteor will stike the planet... i read yesterday about a meteor that passed by at 240,000 Kms. We have 2 scientists here who's job it is, is to find and track these things. They have projected this WILL stike in 100 years from now... I wonder if thats the one?

conspiracy? fate? who can tell.. I think there are many threats to our future and I think given the state of our planets ecosystem, that a world war would drive us over the edge and beyond the point of no return.... we need to stop polluting today... and a war will just increase the pollution... its hard not to be despondent when you think of all the things that are going on now and how little seems to be possible to stop them.

I am convinced the corpos are driven by right wing religious fanatics who believe in going to heaven. The death of the earth in their view is inevitable and part of the plan of God. It says so in the bible. So if the planet dies every christian will just to go heavean anyway... so whats the problem? If you think thats unlikely just think for a second about how unlikely it is that there is a god. If people can beleive in something so completely impossible then they can come up with just about anything....

I've said it before the human race are masters of self delusion

treb

 

[Verite]

Biblical Burning Bush for president 2008 !

 

[naga_sadu]

Did you mean republican, I think so. The guy talking about tv being a brain washing, mind control device...I agree. Lately I have grown so sick of tv I almost puke when I c the endless reel of fake people talking about things that do not matter. This has been ever since I did mescaline a few weeks ago and lots of people were over at my house watching tv, but I couldn't watch/enjoy it with them, I saw through everyone on the tv into their disgustingly unpure souls. Now tv just makes me sick.

TV station #2 wasn't so bad after all Kind funny, how back then, when we had only 1 TV channel, which only showed sports and agriculture (growing crops), all the people were getting pissed as to how much limited choice they have etc. HEy- at least the national tv taught ppl how to grow light loving crops I too was one of 'em.

Now, there are 60+ channels. More flashy shit. More colours. But no substance...I dunno, strange shit, I guess. Maybe we shoulda had it w/ only 1 TV channel, who knows...

 

[Crazy Composer]

The burning bush? hahahaha! You know, Moses was a shaman, and would have ADORED cannabis. It grew all over the place. They collected the resins and burned the 'incense' in their small 'incense tents', just for the purpose of CLAM BAKING... I mean... talking to God.

So, when Moses went up on Mt. Arrarat for 7 days, you KNOW what he was doing up there. He was trying to figure out what to do next for his people in camp, at the foot of the mountain, stuck in the desert. So he came up with 10 BRILLIANT ideas, like don't kill eachother, don't bang his wife, and leave mine alone too, and thou shalt not take my shit... all while sitting alone in a tent, burning the freshly-rubbed resins of lady cannabis plants he passed on his way up the mountain.

And Jesus was a head too! When he was baptized at the river, he saw visions of angels and no one else there could see them. I figure it's because the folks standing there, watching, weren't getting smeared with the KANEH-BOSM oil, like Jesus was. This oil was the oil that was used on kings of the day, as a part of their coronation ceremonies. Solomon had this oil spread on him too, Solomon, the "wisest of kings" :wink:.

The oil's recipe called for something like 9 pounds of cannabis. So THC, CBDs, CBNs and the whole family were invited into the body en masse, directly through the skin. The result is a cannabis trip like no other, I reckon. No wonder Jesus of Nazereth became enlightened that day at the river, he was stoned beyond common reality, and came back wiser for it. BTW, they would have done these ceremonies at the river because they want to wash the KANEH-BOSM oil off when they're done.

back to present day problems... There's a war coming. And why not? It happens everywhere, all the time, for all history. Camelot is about to topple. The big business men and more influental politicians know what's coming, and that's why they are so blatant in their raping and pillaging... They don't CARE what we think now, they're burning their bridges as they go, and stealing everything in sight on their way out. They're setting themselves up for fabulous power and wealth after this little presidency thing is over.

Jeb Bush is in on it too. He's worse than his bro, Georgey. Dubya is just the amicable, talking head front man. The rest of the band is sitting behind the smoke, in the shadows, heads down, faces hidden. Classic fascism in full swing.

The only thing I can do is get my family somewhere safe, learn to be truly, fully self-sufficient, and teach my kids to do the same. Something's gonna give in America, and I don't care to be caught in the middle when it does.

 

[Dr.Feelgood]

I feel the same way you do, CC. Welcome back. We missed you.

 

[Crazy Composer]

Thanks Doc! I missed the folks here too, obviously.

 

[specialk]

Relax. The aliens are going to save us.