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Countryboy

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Trump’s tariffs were targeted to specific sectors of imported products. [Steel, Aluminum, and a host of smaller sectors etc.] However, when the EU and China responded by devaluing their currency, that approach hit all products imported, not just the tariff goods.

Because the EU and China were driving up the value of the dollar, everything we were importing became cheaper. Not just imports from Europe and China, but actually imports from everywhere. All imports were entering the U.S. at substantially lower prices.

This meant when we imported products, we were also importing deflation.

This price result is exactly the opposite of what the economic experts and Wall Street pundits predicted back in 2017 and 2018 when they were pushing the rapid price increase narrative.

Because all the export dependent economies were reacting with such urgency to retain their access to the U.S. market, aggregate import prices were actually lower than they were when the Trump tariffs began.
I guess we shop at different Walmarts:unsure:
 

bigsur51

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Below is the link discussing the shortage of workers in the South in 2012, estimated at a 40% worker shortage, after Georgia passed a tough new immigration law. Farmers were left high and dry, and without the necessary workers::(


Not many folks, except perhaps those living in CA, and some of the farmers in the South, understand the role migrants play in getting crops to the table. They did this migrant deportation threat once before fairly recently, and not just CA was affected. Farmers in the South could not even locate workers to pick their berries, or even corn, to get it to harvest. So the crops sat in the field & rotted. This is back breaking, often dangerous work, most Americans simply will not do.

It is a well known fact that in Germany, for example. Polish seasonal workers for decades traveled to Germany to pick their crops. Once again, the Germans were simply not willing to do this work. The Polish economy began getting stronger, with a more developed middle class, and they too became less and less interested in traveling to Germany to perform this task. One of the reasons, in my belief, that Germany allowed 2+ million Syrians into their country. My very strong supposition, and belief, now that Poles are no longer doing it, is that the newly emigrated Syrians pick the crops.

It is a complicated issue that looks good on a broader scale, but on the ground is very different. Right now we need these migrants. You cannot "develop" people to pick crops and do the work, that they very simply are unwilling to do.:eek: I am completely apolitical about this. I have zero affiliation. I am simply expressing and noting the very obvious dilemma.



all them potential migrant farm workers need to do is fill out the paperwork and come on in legally and go to work

isn’t that how immigration laws work?

break the laws , pay the price

or change the laws

side note: the Border Czar said they are not going specifically after illegal farm workers , but criminals with records , gangsters and such
 

Travis Kelcee

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They advertise my town as the winter strawberry capital of the world. There’s tens of thousands of acres of berries everywhere you look and every day the big green buses go down the road full of migrants picking the fruit. I don’t know if they’re doing anything different down here, but they doesn’t seem to be a shortage of people working agricultural jobs, if it weren’t for the migrants, we wouldn’t have fruit or vegetables to eat because Americans will not do that kind of work for the money they get… I think there’s a big difference between illegal aliens and migrants…
Robotics and Ai already solved that problem

 

Dime

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all them potential migrant farm workers need to do is fill out the paperwork and come on in legally and go to work

isn’t that how immigration laws work?

break the laws , pay the price

or change the laws

side note: the Border Czar said they are not going specifically after illegal farm workers , but criminals with records , gangsters and such
Years ago my wife and I wanted to move to ustralia and we contacted customs and they said we needed to have a sponser who had no criminal record and would be held accountable for our lodgings and food,in demand skills ,and a guaranteed job,and 200k cash to be left in an Aus bank for 2 years.
 

cola

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I picked tomatos,watermelons,cantaloupe, cukes,citrus growing up.
I don't buy the Americans won't do it line.......should be Americans won't do it for that pay.
Same with construction we have plenty of labor just don't have anyone willing to pay for it.
I agree wholeheartedly with what you are saying. But there is a duality to that.
Our greedy Uniparty Coroporations are unwilling to give up their profit margin.
So, how else can food be brought to the table, that Middle Class can afford?
Therein lies the rub. And the obvious dilemma. Everyone has a price. Right?
Corporations are makng this happen. And supporting illegal migrant workers.
Everyone looks the other way. Blaming someone else. But they're creating it.
They do it in the consruction industry. And in the farm industry too. Equally so.
 

cola

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They advertise my town as the winter strawberry capital of the world. There’s tens of thousands of acres of berries everywhere you look and every day the big green buses go down the road full of migrants picking the fruit. I don’t know if they’re doing anything different down here, but they doesn’t seem to be a shortage of people working agricultural jobs, if it weren’t for the migrants, we wouldn’t have fruit or vegetables to eat because Americans will not do that kind of work for the money they get… I think there’s a big difference between illegal aliens and migrants…
Accourding to the US Farm Bureau 40% of the people you are looking at are here illegally. How do you tell them apart?:rolleyes:
 

bigsur51

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Years ago my wife and I wanted to move to ustralia and we contacted customs and they said we needed to have a sponser who had no criminal record and would be held accountable for our lodgings and food,in demand skills ,and a guaranteed job,and 200k cash to be left in an Aus bank for 2 years.

exactly

check out Russia's immigration requirements

last time I checked the requirements for a Retirement Visa to Ecuador was proof of income of at least $400 dollars a month , that’s about it

we like the looks of the beach in Olon

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Boo

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My neighbour is having a litter, they ship.
I’ll take Nero, that’s a very impressive ANimal. I’m not sure I would care to ship a dog because he would be through 48 hours of trauma by the time he saw my face and I’m not sure that’s a wise idea. I sure would love to see their dogs in person… the kennel seems to be very top line
 

Countryboy

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Evening folks! Had a fairly productive day, doing get any pot trimmed, but I'm ok with that.

Pizza for dinner

peace
 

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Boo

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Accourding to the US Farm Bureau 40% of the people you are looking at are here illegally. How do you tell them apart?:rolleyes:
I don’t know how you would tell them apart. I like to think that I judge people by their actions and not by their looks, but I will admit I’m a little more leery now Latinos than I was a couple of years ago. I don’t have a problem with anybody that I’ve met so far except for a bunch of white rednecks, and maybe my next-door neighbors who I’m pretty sure came from a cartel in Brazil…
 

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