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The Original O'l Farts Club.

Travis Kelcee

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Before warned on that genius, if you have not grown it. Kudzu vines don’t have anything on the genius when it starts to stretch… I got it from a fellow name Pi years ago, and it took over my room… I don’t care to grow sativas
I got to be friends with Sly 1999 - 2001 and he sent me cuts. I had Genius in my garden for about 3 years back then and then another 2 years 2019 - 2020.


I prefer Sativas
 

Boo

Cabana’s bitch
Veteran
I got to be friends with Sly 1999 - 2001 and he sent me cuts. I had Genius in my garden for about 3 years back then and then another 2 years 2019 - 2020.


I prefer Sativas
That’s what’s so great about this hobby of ours. Everybody likes something different and there’s nothing wrong with any of it. I like my plants, short and fat. I prefer my women, tall and thin…😉
 

Countryboy

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Good point. Me and Mrs Pute could easily get by with an EV. We live in the city and rarely go anywhere anymore. But, I don't like the way it's being forced on us. Plus I don't like the fact that the Gov't is subsidizing the selling to the public......it's gonna backfire wait and wee. When all those leases expire in two years there is going to be a huge amount of them on the market at the same time which means somebody is gonna take a big bath.

I don't know what or how the residual was determined but the market value is gonna end up being way less that the residual value....wondering who is gonna have to bite the bullet....the govt or the lenders or even maybe the selling manufacture. Supply vs demand determines the value of anything.
I've got a few problems with EV's myself. 'We' don't have the infrastructure here. There's no way I could make it to a FL beach, without taking a day to charge and forget about using the AC going down. Then there's the expense of putting in a charging station at home and those damn batteries. We've all seen those ev's burn. Who wants to be in a Tesla truck when the battery catches on fire? We all remember, after the hurricane and the salt water was making the batteries catch on fire.
For me, right now, it's not a viable option. YOUR mileage may vary.
 

HempKat

Just A Simple Old Dirt Farmer
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I think manufacturing is perhaps where more pollution comes from than the use so the source is given a pass at the expense of the consumer.. I don't know if it will make for less pollution as the oil removal is already in place and it's old hat,except for tar sands a lot less land is uplifted and destroyed. But then I also think all homes should be made of plastic ,they would last forever and the more trees left in the ground the better because trees are the most important plant. There should be a choice and not a mandate and as time goes maybe more and more will go electric as the grid and technology meet the demand and ease into it. The mandate just segregates and no real advancement is possible.Right now if everyone did go EV the country would collapse and we would be literally in the dark.It's like building a house with no foundation. JMO
Well with oil you have to figure in the damage caused by oil spills too. Sure it's not a regular thing but when it does happen it's usually a massive problem and cause widespread damage. I think the real issue with fossil fuels is the process of refining it into gas. I remember when I was little and the Family would go to New York to visit relatives for Christmas when we went thru New Jersey the smell in the air was noticably worse and I was told by my parents that the reason was due to oil refineries.

As far as homes, I'm not so keen on the idea of using plastcs as most plastics are th by product of oil refinement, not to mention that I would think it would be terrible in a fire if houses were made of plastic. I too would prefer to get away from wood. Fist of all it would make us in the US less dependent on other countries for building lumber if we could come up with a locally sourced product which could drive down new construction costs making homes more affordable. I remember seeing something a few years ago where they figured out a way to make a fairly strong cement like product which was supposed to be about as good as cement and with better insulating properties. You can also achieve a similar effect building what they call COB which is a mixture of clay, sand, straw and water that is dough like when mixed which allows it to be formed into many shapes but when it hardens it's like concrete almost and can last for hundreds of years.

As far as a mandate for electric, for the momnt that's pretty limited. As far as I know California is the only state with any real mandate. I know on the east cost it's still buyers choice. EV's are available but the market for ICE cars is still strong as ever. As long as we stick to a commitment to be carbon nuetral by 2035 or 2050 that will have to change eventually but hopefully by then the technology and infrastructure will have improved enough that people won't object to it so much.
 

Dime

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I've got a few problems with EV's myself. 'We' don't have the infrastructure here. There's no way I could make it to a FL beach, without taking a day to charge and forget about using the AC going down. Then there's the expense of putting in a charging station at home and those damn batteries. We've all seen those ev's burn. Who wants to be in a Tesla truck when the battery catches on fire? We all remember, after the hurricane and the salt water was making the batteries catch on fire.
For me, right now, it's not a viable option. YOUR mileage may vary.
I could be wrong but I think it's a pretty big deal to put one out,maybe that sort of thing should be sorted before release.
 

Dime

Well-known member
Well with oil you have to figure in the damage caused by oil spills too. Sure it's not a regular thing but when it does happen it's usually a massive problem and cause widespread damage. I think the real issue with fossil fuels is the process of refining it into gas. I remember when I was little and the Family would go to New York to visit relatives for Christmas when we went thru New Jersey the smell in the air was noticably worse and I was told by my parents that the reason was due to oil refineries.

As far as homes, I'm not so keen on the idea of using plastcs as most plastics are th by product of oil refinement, not to mention that I would think it would be terrible in a fire if houses were made of plastic. I too would prefer to get away from wood. Fist of all it would make us in the US less dependent on other countries for building lumber if we could come up with a locally sourced product which could drive down new construction costs making homes more affordable. I remember seeing something a few years ago where they figured out a way to make a fairly strong cement like product which was supposed to be about as good as cement and with better insulating properties. You can also achieve a similar effect building what they call COB which is a mixture of clay, sand, straw and water that is dough like when mixed which allows it to be formed into many shapes but when it hardens it's like concrete almost and can last for hundreds of years.

As far as a mandate for electric, for the momnt that's pretty limited. As far as I know California is the only state with any real mandate. I know on the east cost it's still buyers choice. EV's are available but the market for ICE cars is still strong as ever. As long as we stick to a commitment to be carbon nuetral by 2035 or 2050 that will have to change eventually but hopefully by then the technology and infrastructure will have improved enough that people won't object to it so much.
They do have fire resistant plastics and some that will not make a flame and just melt but you do make good points.(y)
 

Travis Kelcee

Well-known member
I could be wrong but I think it's a pretty big deal to put one out,maybe that sort of thing should be sorted before release.
Firefighters will need to use up to 40 times more water to put out a fire in an EV, compared to a standard gasoline car.


If you can avoid buying an EV that uses batteries containing cobalt the chances of thermal runaway are greatly reduced.
 

Boo

Cabana’s bitch
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We the people are not prepared for EV vehicles in any way shape or form. What do you do with the batteries when they’re no longer viable? How do you charge these cars with an electric grid? That’s so ancient it won’t support houses? Who wants to buy a car that has a 300 mile range and then you can’t use it unless there’s a charging station nearby. Who in God name would want to put a charging station in their house only to find their car burning it down while being charged. I’ll stick with internal combustion engines… if you look at the science what it cost to mine the elements for a battery it’s more economical and makes more sense to use gasoline or diesel. I’ve seen where you’ve got 20 charging stations and all powered by diesel generator… we are in difficult times
 

Countryboy

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Evening folks! Never did make it by the compactor, but managed to stay busy...K wants Digorno pizza instead of break-fast, so pizza it is. No big plans except to 'defoliate' some plants and top some tubs.

peace
 

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Dime

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We the people are not prepared for EV vehicles in any way shape or form. What do you do with the batteries when they’re no longer viable? How do you charge these cars with an electric grid? That’s so ancient it won’t support houses? Who wants to buy a car that has a 300 mile range and then you can’t use it unless there’s a charging station nearby. Who in God name would want to put a charging station in their house only to find their car burning it down while being charged. I’ll stick with internal combustion engines… if you look at the science what it cost to mine the elements for a battery it’s more economical and makes more sense to use gasoline or diesel. I’ve seen where you’ve got 20 charging stations and all powered by diesel generator… we are in difficult times
Some of the chargers are 80 amps,that's a lot of juice. I read in Germany it's already cheaper to buy gasoline than to charge your EV. Many homes here only have 100 amp service. It would be like having 3 stick welders on .
 

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