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jokerman

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Forgot to mention if you buy your own tank you'll have to get a fill valve that's compatible POL Multi Service valve in order to be able to get propane deliveries. Otherwise you have the slug that heavy awkward tank back and forth for fill ups.

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I know in NY you get grief from filling up a big tank if your not commercial
 

HempKat

Just A Simple Old Dirt Farmer
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Probably, but DT's kids are good people.....big difference. We are about to get rid of one of the most corrupt presidents of all time. 10% for the big guy and who knows what else.
Given how much you like to go on about keeping politics out of this thread I think you should keep your political opinions like "most corrupt presidents of all time to" to yourself. I've been trying to respect the idea of no politics in the thread, which is damn hard because several of you like to drop bits of politics in here on a fairly consistent basis. Apparently what you really want is to keep politics out of the thread unless it is your politics in which casse people are free to say as much as they want and as often as they want. Nothing about my comment had squat to do with politics. I didn't discuss the criminality of Trump or his kids. I spoke just from the point of view of what Fathers would be willing to do to protect their children if they had the power to pardon whoever they wanted.

Frankly I thought the whole subject much more debatable when Biden was saying he wouldn't use the pardon power to protect his son because personally I thought that was a bunch of BS and now it turns out I was right. I personally don't believe any parent would just sit back and watch a child or relative they love or care about experience going to prison and all that goes with that if they had the power to legally pardon them from their crimes and/or commute any sentence, in the Federal legal system.

Lincoln did it for his wife's half sister whose only crime was that she married a Confederate General.
Clinton pardoned his half brother who was convicted of crimes connected to Cocaine.
Trump pardoned his son-in-law Jared Kushner's father Charles for crimes he was already in jail for including illegal campaign contributions, tax evasion and witness tampering.

Saying anyone would do it is just commonsense as it is human nature for people to protect those they care about if they can. You don't have to like it but it is hypocritical to act like it's an outrage when others have done it, including the President you favor. I could go into all the politics of the subject but I've been told we are supposed to keep that sort of discussion out of this thread because there are other threads specifically for that type of discussion should someone have a burning need to discuss it. If I'm expected to follow such a rule then I expect others to follow it as well. Fortunately most of the people in this thread do follow that rule.
 
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Putembk

One Toke Over The Line
Premium user
Given how much you like to go on about keep politics out of this thread I think you should keep your political opinions like "most corrupt presidents of all time to" to yourself. I've been trying to respect the idea of no politics in the thread, which is damn hard because several of you like to drop bits of politics in here on a fairly consistent basis. Apparently what you really want is to keep politics out of the thread unless it is your politics in which casse people are free to say as much as they want and as often as they want. Nothing about my comment had squat to do with politics. I didn't discuss the criminality of Trump or his kids. I spoke just from the point of view of what Fathers would be willing to do to protect their children if they had the power to pardon whoever they wanted.

Frankly I thought the whole subject much more debatable when Biden wass saying he wouldn't use the pardon power to protect his son cause personally I thought that was a bunch of BS and now it turns out I was right. I personally don't believe any parent would just sit back and watch a child or relative they love or care about experience going to prison and all that goes with that if they had the power to legally pardon them from their crimes and/or commute any sentence, in the Federal legal system.

Lincoln did it for his wife's half sister whose only crime was that she married a Confederate General.
Clinton pardoned his half brother who was convicted of crimes connected to Cocaine.
Trump pardoned his son-in-law Jared Kushner's father Charles for crimes he was already in jail for including illegal campaign contributions, tax evasion and witness tampering.

Saying anyone would do it is just commonsense as it is human nature for people to protect those they care about if they can. You don't have to like it but it is hypocritical to act like it's an outrage when othrs have done it, including the President you favor. I could go into all the politics of the subject but I've been told we are supposed to keep that sort of discussion out of this thread because there are other threads specifically for that type of discussion should someonne have a burning need to discuss it. If I'm expected to follow such a rule then I expect others to follow it as well. Fortunately most of the people in this thread do follow that rule.
You’re the reason God created the middle finger.
 

HempKat

Just A Simple Old Dirt Farmer
Veteran
Pute my optometrist said I would probably need cataract surgery in 10+ years. I'm afraid, they slice your eye open man. Can you see them do it? Can you feel it? Did you have both eyes done Pute? How long did it take? What's the worst part?
I haven't had it done but I know some people who have and according to them it's not really so much as them slicing your eye open as it is just shaving the "lense" layer of the eye off, correct it and put it back. According to my mother the procedure itself was painless but afterwards while she was healing her eyes were so sensitive that she would get headaches if she tried to use them too much and that only lasted a couple of days. Virtually everyone I talked to that had experienced that procedure were so happy with how much better their eyesight was afterwards that they felt whatever they went thru was well worth it.
 

OleReynard

Well-known member
Walk done and eye is getting better by the hour. Turned out to be a beautiful day. Now wind 50f and bright sun.


How long have you lived there to see that much appreciation? Same thing happened to me but over 30 years. Can't believe the price of housing here. I guess I should be glad.....

I should sell this place, downsize and move to a more desirable part of the country.....but can't leave my daughter.
I doubled the original investment then some in today's market
 

Putembk

One Toke Over The Line
Premium user
I haven't had it done but I know some people who have and according to them it's not really so much as them slicing your eye open as it is just shaving the "lense" layer of the eye off, correct it and put it back. According to my mother the procedure itself was painless but afterwards while she was healing her eyes were so sensitive that she would get headaches if she tried to use them too much and that only lasted a couple of days. Virtually everyone I talked to that had experienced that procedure were so happy with how much better their eyesight was afterwards that they felt whatever they went thru was well worth it.
Lets be friends. We have different political views but we can still peacefully co-exist.
 

HempKat

Just A Simple Old Dirt Farmer
Veteran
It's a lie Doober, have you ever seen an open pit battery mine or the labor used? Google it some time,it's just investors making a mint by opening their own market.
True but all the minerals/elements they mine for use in manufacturing batteries for EV's the've been doing for years before EV's were really a thing on the market and they'll likely continue those samme mining practices even if all EV production were halted. So it's kind of misleading to say that because the process of making them is bad for the environment they're just as bad as other vehicles. Im sure there are aspects of ICE car manufature that is bad for the environment as well. The real point of value to the environment isn't the manufacturing but the pollution if any when it's being used.
 

HempKat

Just A Simple Old Dirt Farmer
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Yes, we have a Ford EV for around town and a standard Jeep GCL for hauling, bad weather, and trips out of town.

We love it for its purpose, and we are able to get by with it only because we also have the Jeep. We also would not be owning one at the exorbitant new prices they are charging for them now.

I bought the 2013 Focus EV in 2016 when it was turned in from a lease for the value of the replacement batteries at the time, or $12K. Fuel cost is about 25% and maintenance in 9 years, besides tire replacement has been $695 for a fried horn harness. It still has the original brake pads because most of the braking is dynamic to recharge the battery.

No waiting in line at the service stations or engine oil and transmission oil changing stations, or radiator flushes, because it doesn't have any.

The real test will be how long the batteries last. They estimated 100K when we bought the car and we have about 55K on it, but we don't drive 10K per year either and batteries are also affected by age.

As far as the environment, as has been noted, there is environmental damage mining for the rare earths used in the batteries. I would like to see an unbiased comparison of that damage vis a vis exploration, drilling, transporting, and refining crude oil, as well as the smog produced burning it.
I've heard it said that due to the way EV's cause wear and tear to the tires that they require a much more expensive tire if the driver wants to get the type of range most drivers expect from a tire. Did you find that to be true in your experience?
 
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HempKat

Just A Simple Old Dirt Farmer
Veteran
The Biden administration also loaned $6.6 billion to Rivian as an in your face Elon....................................
Not that Elon really need it though, him and Tesla has been doing just fine without any help from the government. It would be kind of nice if all businesses operated completely on their own like that. With a debt in the trillions that is constantly a threat to the future of the American people, I'm kind of tired seeing so many businesses get help from the Federal Government. It's not so bad if it's just a loan and it gets paid back promptly, with interest, but historically that's not always the case.
 
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dogzter

Drapetomaniac
Fuck giving a company my damn tax money.
I know a shit ton of people who pay taxes and live in squallor........corporate welfare really pisses me off.
Rather see a dozen doobers..........at least he is a honest pos about his thievery.
😤
 

HempKat

Just A Simple Old Dirt Farmer
Veteran
The F150 lightning starts at 63k in Canada for the entry model and 115k loaded,plus we pay 13%TAX and whatever fees they hide plus the charging set up is extra. I can't afford that and buying a used one probably isn't wise.
From what I've heard, none of the problems other manufacturers have as far as drawbacks apply to Tesla's except they have tended to be the more expensive option. They have good range with some bing as high as 600+ miles I think Tesla does also charge extra for the at home charging set up but given that maintenance is so much cheaper I think that offsets the cost of the home charging system and the convenience of charging at home makes it well worth it in my opinion. For the most part the range is sufficient for most use and they're starting to get the charging times fast enough that it's not much worse then the time it takes at the pump. The real problem with EV's is that the infrastructure to support the use of them is still to far and few between if they expect widespreadd adoption of EV use. Tesla has been pretty good about building a decent infrastruture (charging stations) for EV's but on company can only do just so much. It's supposed to be getting better in the near future, the infrastructure bill a from a few years ago had a good chunk of money for building charging stations across the country
 
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