The Nevils Haze and Nevils Haze hybrids discussion thread.

[Elmer Bud]

his genetics , those worked lines for sure were on that website. the madness line was on there crossed to a few things. they were shit seed so its not worth arguing over.

What seeds did you get ?
Interesting you say they were his worked lines . He was very tight with genetics . I got a cpl of batches of seeds from him . One lot didn`t germ . The other I didn`t find anything like the sample he left me with .

 

[harvestreaper]

had some lime madness f2s if thats the same madness ,,,20 fems ,,nice daytime smoke had one that was barking up the high quality sativa tree i guess was from the madness side

 

[fullymelted]

What seeds did you get ?
Interesting you say they were his worked lines . He was very tight with genetics . I got a cpl of batches of seeds from him . One lot didn`t germ . The other I didn`t find anything like the sample he left me with .

maybe not HIS worked lines directly, but genetics that were literally the same shit.
they were selling Oaxacan x maddness, nl21 x maddness, thai x maddness. i bought regular mullumbimby madness packs, two of them and i got like 3-5 free nl21 x madness. the website used to literally talk about kangativa work and genetics and had the lines i listed for sale, that part is true as can be.
it could also be a different website with a similar name, its been 12 years .

 

[AmericanFarmer]

Kanga had a garden go missing .
Shortly after the police came . The area where he was growing has high police surveilance . A heliopter flying 8-9 months of the year . He had been caught in the same region years before .

I don`t believe there was any connection with Nevil and this bust . I knew Kanga back then .

Kog`s OMS went hermie in the end so he moved on to other strains is what I remember .

Found this never mind I was mistaken I thought Kogs OMS was the same as MM.
Found this .

I’ve heard many conflicting reports as to what actually is the parent makeup 4 the Mullimbimby. I know 4 sure that there is Thai, Colombian, Mexican, Hawaiian, New Guinean, Indian and Lebanese. In the late sixties and early seventies many a hippy and surfer traveled to those wonderful areas bringing back with them a bit of personal stash. From what I gather after talking to a few of the older guys is that it took them quite awhile to get the finished product.
They kept adding strains after guys came back and grew out their seeds. When they had a plant that was near perfect they stopped and started to let it pollinate itself over many years. It’s very Sativa apart from the Lebanese but I think 4 the wait it is well worth it."

Here’s a TL;DR the author of the post gives:

In summary

• OMS was said by 20’Thai to come from late 50s Thai stick
• the Overgrow post from Raco states the early 70s variety came from 72’ Thai stick
• both reported purple phenos, but rarer in OMS, which was not prone to purple coloration in cooler climates, but occasionally a ‘showcase purple’ genotype would surface
• on the other hand the early 70s MM variety was renowned for turning purple towards the end of its growing season
• little is known of Shanti’s MM other than that it was a hybrid of various sativas incl. Thai and Colombian, and was considered on par with Neville’s Haze for potency. It is a parent of El Nino/La Nina along with White/Black Widow.
• the early 70s variety grew to 23 feet, while OMS only grew occasionally to 12 feet with little vertical stretch, but massive lateral branching.
• Mullum Madman’s MM grew to 20 feet, but was either a mix of hybrids including Thai, Colombian, Mexican, Hawaiian, New Guinean, Indian and Lebanese, or possibly an OMS/MM hybrid.
• Both Kog’s OMS and Mullum Madman’s MM had hermie problems.
• Shantibaba’s MM had no hermie problems.
• Kangativa’s MM grows to 20 feet with no hermies
• Kangativa likens his plants to the Hunter Valley landrace varietal - origin possibly Indian .
• OMS has a shorter flowering period than Kangativa’s MM.

 

[kro-magnon]

50's Thai stick? When did they start doing those sticks in Thailand , the distribution outside of East Asia started with the American war in Vietnam or the French one when it was Indochine?

 

[Elmer Bud]

50's Thai stick? When did they start doing those sticks in Thailand , the distribution outside of East Asia started with the American war in Vietnam or the French one when it was Indochine?

Let me tell you 20 foot Thai has an even more active imagination than Joe Petrie .
He tells stories of Durban so electric people needed valium shots at the ER . And that he grew perrenial cannabis .

I`m glad the days of bull shitters like him telling stories that became legends are over .

 

[Elmer Bud]

50's Thai stick? When did they start doing those sticks in Thailand , the distribution outside of East Asia started with the American war in Vietnam or the French one when it was Indochine?

Dien , Bien , Phu . Baby !

The Legionares wanted to over throw the Frenchie government after that FCK UP .

 

[amoril]

Let me tell you 20 foot Thai has an even more active imagination than Joe Petrie .
He tells stories of Durban so electric people needed valium shots at the ER . And that he grew perrenial cannabis .

I`m glad the days of bull shitters like him telling stories that became legends are over .

When I met Joe 6 or so years ago, he actually mentioned the durban story.

As in, he was angry that everyone in the room wasn't giving him more respect, because he had the "real deal" durban that'll make you hysterical, and the "only" "real deal" acapulco.... etc

 

[Elmer Bud]

his genetics directly or not, those worked lines for sure were on that website. the madness line was on there crossed to a few things. they were shit seed so its not worth arguing over.
back in the day you could get a bunch of australian seed from them.
the mullimbimby maddess x nh21 was a huge stress plant, i got it as freebies when i got the other stuff.

OK those seeds would be from Kangativa and Nevil`s collaboration on "the Grail Project ."

It lasted about 12 months . They had disagreements . And the partnership was broken .

 

[Elmer Bud]

When I met Joe 6 or so years ago, he actually mentioned the durban story.

As in, he was angry that everyone in the room wasn't giving him more respect, because he had the "real deal" durban that'll make you hysterical, and the "only" "real deal" acapulco.... etc

Joe ? Petrie ? Or 20 Ft Thai is named Joe ?

 

[amoril]

Joe ? Petrie ? Or 20 Ft Thai is named Joe ?

Yeah, "king of nepal" Joe Pietri

 

[Stoneguru]

One positive on the NH. All the haze profiles are present in the population.

There is nothing that I have come across in the Nevil's Male A and C progeny that is not present to some degree here.

There is the eucalyptus, incense, pine, metal, meat or savory etc.

For someone that wants a glimpse of haze profiles without the commitment this would be perfect.

Most Haze types that go "grower friendly" lose both the profile and effect.

 

[amoril]

Joe ? Petrie ? Or 20 Ft Thai is named Joe ?

I see the confusion now.

But either way, he rambled on about how his landrace beans were the only authentic source left, had 25 or 30 varieties he was trying to sell. Many misspelled. Something like 30 bucks a seed. And copies of his book. He was upset because I was the first person all day who even knew who he was lmao

 

[Stoneguru]

On the issue of height regarding modern NH.

I do have a '97 NH under the exact same conditions. The Johnny Blaze F2 OP from @bloyd

The modern NH are in the back and the JB in the front germinated 3 weeks later and always in the flower room.

And a close up of a NH. Leaves keep thinning, plant keeps stretching

If these end up relatively short A person can make the argument that the b-130 is holding the NH back.

However, combing any forum for JB over the last 20 years and you will find only warning labels for an unruly jungle giant.

I received the F1 4',but not sure on total flower time stretch. The #6 was the most. Do you have this info @bloyd?

Either way this experiment will show the relative difference in my growing environment between 97 NH and modern NH.

My whole program is different than most. I don't try to get any yield or push quality. It's just to plow through as fast as I can for as little as I can to find what I'm looking for.

I will use the same practice on the Outback haze Saipan Viet next. The vet are 15 to 20 ft plants. Every bit as tall as any Nev Haze.

Below is a stretch comparison. This Outback haze was initiated into flower when it was 1-2 nodes shorter than the little plant next to it.

Among Hayes there are some with less stretch and some with more stretch than this example, but it's in the wheelhouse. NH21 on the taller, NH36 on the shorter

If I can shave off another transplant and cut the height in half by initiating flower from the very beginning, then I am doubling my productivity.

This will also give you all an opportunity to make fun of my dwarfy Haze

Another B7Silk freak

 

[Rgd]

I`m glad the days of bull shitters like him telling stories that became legends are over .

poetic license

he did several repros of varieties I had got off auctions and sent back some of each... plus some of his own gear

20’ thai = reliable and serious sativa guy my books..

[who gets kind of bashed by fellow ozzies who love to tell neg 20’ thai stories ]

any exaggeration is " historic literature”..not science[jk]

he is one of your gems..embrace it

 

[CharlesU Farley]

From what I have read through the years is that he got busted right after he helped Nev with his Grail Project. Coincidence???
IDK?
But pretty fishy don’t have all the details maybe someone does.

On a side note where the hell is KOG the one who showed how to grow and not get busted he had the OLD MOTHER SATIVA in his documentary that I think would be awesome to have .

Loved that grow video “A Growers Lot by KOG”

Someone contacted me who actually _knows_ the man and may see him soon. He said he'd bring it up but doubted that kangavita would want to talk much about it.

Evidently he's not into rehashing bullshit, rumors, what somebody says he said, or what Nevil told anybody.

Kangavita grew some damn fine cannabis, his persona on the MNS forum was educational not delusional.

I wish more participants here on ICM were like him.

 

[Yo Sammy]

I know A5, but haven't spoke with him in years.
Last time I was going to meet up with him at the HTCC when Barneys won with
Liberty haze I think?
It was grown by A5 and , don't hold me to it but I swear he said it was skunk haze?

Just to set the record straight.
Winner 2005 HTCC
The supposedly winner “Willie Nelson” by reeferman was in fact C5Hz grown by “A5”.
Back in da day mister “A5” and myself were still working as compadres.
Barneys took the cup and the rest is history haha
Just don’t mention the war….

 

[bloyd]

On the issue of height regarding modern NH.

I do have a '97 NH under the exact same conditions. The Johnny Blaze F2 OP from @bloyd

The modern NH are in the back and the JB in the front germinated 3 weeks later and always in the flower room.
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And a close up of a NH. Leaves keep thinning, plant keeps stretching

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If these end up relatively short A person can make the argument that the b-130 is holding the NH back.

However, combing any forum for JB over the last 20 years and you will find only warning labels for an unruly jungle giant.

I received the F1 4',but not sure on total flower time stretch. The #6 was the most. Do you have this info @bloyd?

Either way this experiment will show the relative difference in my growing environment between 97 NH and modern NH.

My whole program is different than most. I don't try to get any yield or push quality. It's just to plow through as fast as I can for as little as I can to find what I'm looking for.

I will use the same practice on the Outback haze Saipan Viet next. The vet are 15 to 20 ft plants. Every bit as tall as any Nev Haze.

Below is a stretch comparison. This Outback haze was initiated into flower when it was 1-2 nodes shorter than the little plant next to it.

Among Hayes there are some with less stretch and some with more stretch than this example, but it's in the wheelhouse. NH21 on the taller, NH36 on the shorter

View attachment 19189777

If I can shave off another transplant and cut the height in half by initiating flower from the very beginning, then I am doubling my productivity.

This will also give you all an opportunity to make fun of my dwarfy Haze

Another B7Silk freak

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I took down the blaze seedcrop at 13.5 weeks. #6, #2 needed at least 3-4 weeks for full maturity. Earlier haze c expressions were finished. I think there will likely be 18+ week plants in the f2.

 

[Yo Sammy]

Your preservations/selections are amazing all around Sammy.

What are some of the haze lines you have made and how would you describe your favorite profiles that come from them?

Thanks although this was and is still a joint venture so to speak.
My favourite would be the E-Haze that got renamed as Isaac Haze merging both my personal favourite old heirloom plants being C5 & AG13 with a little help from Shanti’s early offering of NL#5HzC.

 

[Yo Sammy]

His CC top and Nevil's Brother lines look interesting, too bad he discontinued them.

Both lines got reproduced a while ago but sadly got nicked hence why they currently are not available.
As I put quality before quantity and I prefer to ran and run small operations it will take a while to reproduce once more.
Currently I am exploring the remaining seeds of the B#7 lineage along with @MAHA KALA Asian Nevilles Haze being Nevilles Haze x Vietnam Black.
Working long flowering varieties in small operations under a severe fucked up legislation can take a while but all good things per usually come from patience & perseverance.
I am definitely doing all I can to reproduce all lines distributed by odgenetics ASAP.
Fingers crossed