The Nevils Haze and Nevils Haze hybrids discussion thread.

[Stoneguru]

This is a horse of a diffent colour .

The best smoking experience I ever had was an extreme haze lean of original 5haze release. Chemical fuel sharp eucalyptus pine needle. Tasted like it smelled and coated the tongue. Exhale like fumes and vapor more than smoke with cool burn expansion.

99% of haze hybrids since are hay piss and u tobacco. Just smokes like smoke.

Of the 1% that have mango/fruit, pine, eucalyptus metal etc...very few translate to taste.

The best profile/flavor I ever had was haze...most of it is the worst or nothing worth even mentioning..

The potency is pretty easy to come by. The best affect is a preference, but I prefer the high energy.

Most people have never experienced how good haze can smoke when it comes together right b cause it is so rare that it does

 

[Elmer Bud]

The strong nasty Nevil`s Haze I have smoked was on the A5 side of things .
Musty leather metal .
I grew some A5 S1s from Karma . They had similar terpenes . The C5 x A5 / Thai had the Mango terps .
Hash Plant Haze x A5 /Thai was more like the A5 . Dark musty smells .

 

[RoyalFlush]

That’s what I was thinking those traits in the haze are very dominant.

HazeA type

HazeC type

 

[AmericanFarmer]

HazeA type
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HazeC type
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Looks like larger fan leaves on the Haze C than A

Where did you get these pictures bud , and what is this cross of the two?

 

[AmericanFarmer]

HazeA type
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HazeC type
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Looks like larger fan leaves on the Haze C than Haze A type

When and what exactly am I looking at ?
Are these your ?
What cross is this?

 

[RoyalFlush]

Looks like larger fan leaves on the Haze C than Haze A type

When and what exactly am I looking at ?
Are these your ?
What cross is this?

Both pics were HazeA leaners; I fucked up and posted the wrong pic for HazeC.
I fixed the mistake and added the correct HazeC leaner pic.

You're looking at old Green House Seeds Neville Haze F2s.

 

[@hempy]

These are both Nevil's Haze F2 males, the one on the left is HzA leaning and the one on the right is HzC leaning.

 

[Tsubaki30]

Yeah....on second thought. I am going to throw the males in the trash. I don't mind spending the time, but I am not going to waste it.

I'll finish the females to at least report on it and offer people a point of reference either way

That’s a tough situation..

Like @Elmer Bud said, maybe you can use the best of them still

But at the same time i have to say, that is 100% the right attitude, bro. If we are serious about our projects we shouldn’t waste time after we understand and know things aren’t going the way we want. These projects take a lot of time and effort and money which will all be better spent of worthy projects.

 

[Tsubaki30]

The only thing necessary and numbers and not being a complete hack.

Well MNS sure had the numbers. If it doesn't come through as over 50% that are 90% haze expression then there are only 2 other possibilities.

Being a complete hack or deliberately screwing people. There is no column 3.

I am giving it the benefit of the doubt rather than calling it one way of the other through the entire process.

I’m guessing what have happened is that Shantibaba has just selected for compact flowers and shorter flowering time assuming that is what people want

Nevil wrote in one of his MNS posts that some growers started to complain to him if yields suffered too much, so maybe Shantibaba went selecting with the same idea in his head and then selected for good yield and flowering time that he assumed suited most growers

I’m just guessing..

 

[Stoneguru]

The strong nasty Nevil`s Haze I have smoked was on the A5 side of things .
Musty leather metal .
I grew some A5 S1s from Karma . They had similar terpenes . The C5 x A5 / Thai had the Mango terps .
Hash Plant Haze x A5 /Thai was more like the A5 . Dark musty smells .

I am running 8 Bandaid 7 × Silk S testers. Right now they are early flower, but smell heavily of old dusky leather bound books.

Leaning more Bandaid or what sounds like male A in that sense. I like that it tends to translate to flavor well.

Silk S is pure vaporized Frankincense that fills the room. Some attribute that to the NL, but that is a different incense. Old Oaxaca is described and frankincense myrrh and wood as well.

I am not sure if Silk is coming through yet.

I have found almost all the haze types except that sharp penetrating almost chemical Pine.. again the NL pine is totally different. Juniper at best. This is sharp and flares the nostrils.

That one keeps alluding me but not for lack of trying

 

[RoyalFlush]

Going off by shitty memory, CBH smelled like HazeA and NL #1. It's not an A5 or C5, that I can be certain about.

 

[bigherb]

I finally found the picture of one of the haze bros with a OHaze plant late 70’s early 80’s
Now anyone who has studied enough haze can clearly see this plant looks identical to some of the OHz shared in this community of SamS stock from diffrent years and batches even pretty recognizable to me.

He's not a Haze brother , neither the 2 Sams spoke of nor one of the Actual 3 brothers from High Times Interviews.

But he is responsible for those 3 getting hooked up with Original Haze and much of the Haze that came to the Tristate in the 70’s.

He is the wonderful man who shared the True Origins of Original Haze with me

Yes many of us Agree , Those plants from the 70's look just like Seedsman Haze stock to be Exact

1981 was the last year He or G , Grew Original Haze. Just as @Sam_Skunkman Stated


1luvbigherb

 

[Tsubaki30]

I have found almost all the haze types except that sharp penetrating almost chemical Pine.. again the NL pine is totally different. Juniper at best. This is sharp and flares the nostrils.

Some juniper/pine resin out of NL is so sharp juniper resin that it leaves a film on your tongue after smoking, while some plants have it very mildly, more like pine/juniper forest type floral. The plant that i had hermied too badly so i only grew it few times



I’m after that strong pine resin/juniper too. very nice indeed

 

[AmericanFarmer]

He's not a Haze brother , neither the 2 Sams spoke of nor one of the Actual 3 brothers from High Times Interviews.

But he is responsible for those 3 getting hooked up with Original Haze and much of the Haze that came to the Tristate in the 70’s.

He is the wonderful man who shared the True Origins of Original Haze with me

Yes many of us Agree , Those plants from the 70's look just like Seedsman Haze stock to be Exact

1981 was the last year He or G , Grew Original Haze. Just as @Sam_Skunkman Stated


1luvbigherb

Thank you brother for that correction, I found that picture several years ago on instagram and shared in it back then on another forum thinking it was one of the Santa Cruz haze bros,

So I thought the haze bros (2 brothers ) were responsible for OHAZE but your saying THIS guy is the one who bred and gave OHAZE to the brothers and SamS ?

I’m sorry if I’m not understanding just trying to clarify.

Thank you brother and yes those plants in that picture from the 70’s definitely looks exactly like the OHaze shared today, so awesome and dominant.

AF

 

[Stoneguru]

Some juniper/pine resin out of NL is so sharp juniper resin that it leaves a film on your tongue after smoking, while some plants have it very mildly, more like pine/juniper forest type floral. The plant that i had hermied too badly so i only grew it few times



I’m after that strong pine resin/juniper too. very nice indeed

The best I ever had of the NL type pine was actually a squat outlier in Bandaid 2.0 stock. Not just the smell, but the taste just coated your mouth in juniper. Nothing like cannabis. I hunted hundreds more NL after and never came into it that pronounced.

I even reached out to doc to see if there was any chance of cross pollination because there was never anything in any other Band-Aid line I grew like it. He said there's no chance that that match was crossed pollinated so it was just an outlier/ghost deep in 5Haze

The haze spectrum pine is very bright and effervescent by compare.

That type I only found on long flowering giants with trichome layden stems.

That one a jar crack of a gram would fill a room. Like diesel, but not dirty. The incense was very strong too with that one

I know they were in the original 5haze with male C, but mixing anything changed it. Even if it's mixing it with male A such as Nevil's Haze.

I like them both very much. They both translate to flavor so clean and complex that everything else just tastes like smokey tobacco with hints of flavor.

The ones that are so rare set the bar too high sometimes.

The affect and experience intertwine with specific sensory notes and it leaves something to be wanted from everything else

 

[Stoneguru]

They look a bit.... nvm.

For reference, here are 2 shitty pics of those 97NHF1s that I ran a while back.
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Here's one of Hempy's 97NHF2.
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And here's one of my current GHS 97NHF2s
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@RoyalFlush , I was watering and looking at your pictures for reference. There aren't many, but there are some that resemble the ones in you pictures .

The one in the background is a Bandaid 7 leaning B7 x Silk S. Dark, leathery and wide. It smells like musky wood and leather haze

This is the Silk S Seed run. Leaves that are as NLD as any o'haze.

Then Silk S x JJ's Nigerian F1 which have similar leaf Morphology to Bandaid. With a Bandaid 7 × Silk S plant

Silk S progeny

Then what I think is Caps Colombian. Just because.

I used Bandaid as an example. Not to make it seem less haze...it is probably the most widely accepted and influential quality haze plant. A solid standard.

What would be said of its morphology relative to other nevil haze crosses?. It smokes like haze and packs a wallop even though it doesn't have the look.

Royal...I still do agree. There sure does appear to be a difference in parental selections in this NH make. Perhaps multiple different parents.

The question for me is whether the selections are still on par for the smoking experience and effect of haze.

I can't determine that without finishing the project. Everything else along the way are only markers for future identification and selections

 

[RoyalFlush]

Royal...I still do agree. There sure does appear to be a difference in parental selections in this NH make. Perhaps multiple different paparents.

It could be due to poor inbreeding selection, or Haze C was lost and replaced with a hazy C5 male. That would explain the heavy presence of NL.

 

[Stoneguru]

It could be due to poor inbreeding selection, or Haze C was lost and replaced with a hazy C5 male. That would explain the heavy presence of NL.

Your '97 seedling post was a good one.

You showed around a dozen plants from 2 different grows that were clearly from the same parents. I have 10% that look like a maybe. None that looks just like those 2 grows

I would say it is almost certain that he didn't use the same parents.

That's not a big issue. Not if he made the effort to replace it with the very best I think that is totally acceptable.. Popping 400-500 C5/C you'll likely find 100 heavy haze leaner and a dozen better than male C itself.

I know all the magic carpet "need the male C" bs. The problem is that line of thinking is contradictory to reality.

I've plucked haze outliers from hybrid lines and buried the 90% to 10% in one move. Most have experienced something like this if they tried.

From what you showed me vs what I am seeing The male he would have had to have picked would be presenting as a 50/50 for this to happen. Not a haze leaner at all.

It will become more clear what he selected for or if it was just a very lazy move to finish off an accident.

For now I'll be on the side of optimism. Maybe the effect and profile will be such an array of overwhelming haze that the BLD Morphology was worth compromising.

If it doesn't have that either it would be very unfortunate.

 

[RoyalFlush]

Here's a few pure NL5 × Haze A s1 plants that I ran a while back.

 

[RoyalFlush]

Early 90s Sensi NL5 × Haze C