The Nevils Haze and Nevils Haze hybrids discussion thread.

[RoyalFlush]

I am not disagreeing that they look different. My point is that they are in different conditions.

You guys were probably trying to grow your plants where I am trying to stunt them.

Come on, stoney, don't try to blame it on something else. MRN forum is loaded with pictures of NL looking NH plants.

Shantibaba needs to come clean and admit he no longer holds the original 69 HazeC male. The lack of new pure HazeC hybrids and BLD Nevil Haze says it all.

 

[Stoneguru]

Come on, stoney, don't try to blame it on something else. MRN forum is loaded with pictures of NL looking NH plants.

Shantibaba needs to come clean and admit he no longer holds the original 69 HazeC male. The lack of new pure HazeC hybrids and BLD Nevil Haze says it all.

I scanned the site enough to see mostly chonky hybrid looking

Here is the thing.

The original parents are not necessary. Never were. That mythical BA is for inexperienced.

The only thing necessary and numbers and not being a complete hack.

Well MNS sure had the numbers. If it doesn't come through as over 50% that are 90% haze expression then there are only 2 other possibilities.

Being a complete hack or deliberately screwing people. There is no column 3.

I am giving it the benefit of the doubt rather than calling it one way of the other through the entire process.

 

[Stoneguru]

a complete hack or deliberately screwing people

Regardless of how many fgen.

If it is even remotely NL hybrid then it is one of these 2.

Being a hack is less likely because the experience is there.

If the experience is there then that leave deliberately screwing people.

The reality is that multiple plants in a 100 plant hunt will be equal or better than the parents.

From that perspective he already built the brand so it make more sense to deliberately select mediocre parents.

 

[Stoneguru]

@RoyalFlush it's not just about having the original parents or not.

A person would have to deliberately fuck it into NL holding that many seed and cuts.

If it's NL I am going Gordon Ramsay YouTube with a wood chipper at the finish.

There are excuses for people who don't know better, but not for people doing a bait and switch.

That is what is would take to steer NH to NL

 

[AmericanFarmer]

I agree with both of y’all’s comments.
That’s what I was trying to say yesterday minus the trolling.

1. We know according to hempy that shanti still has the parents or at least the F1 stock

2. We all have seen the original F1’s based off of Nevil’s seed bank of Holland catalog and enough old pics of what something CLOSE to having Haze attributes in those plants .

3. The only conclusion I can come up with is he either lied and said he had back ups or the original and doesn’t.

4.) he’s deliberately watered them down from what he claims in the pedigree. And taking peoples $ who in return are not getting the real deal.

Either way he’s not being honest .
Just my observation, common sense.

 

[AmericanFarmer]

Also if he still had the F1’s or parental lines I wouldn’t be drooling over hempy’s NH pics I’d be buying several packs from MNS but ……. I’ve read enough through the years and seen enough pics of people growing out his offerings to know it’s NOT what he claims totally different.

 

[Stoneguru]

Also if he still had the F1’s or parental lines I wouldn’t be drooling over hempy’s NH pics I’d be buying several packs from MNS but ……. I’ve read enough through the years and seen enough pics of people growing out his offerings to know it’s NOT what he claims totally different.

This case is the most significant i have heard for Shanti Deliberately screwing the world with a bait and switch.

Hempy with his 3 plant closest grows running circles around Shanti

Not only is hempy doing it in micro grows, but out breeding him!

Either way. A micro closet grower out breeding MNS's generation after generation would be pathetic.

If they end up heavy NL then it is not because he lost the parents. It's a choice. deceitfully fucking the world for profit.

I hope that's not what I find out. Sad if it is.

 

[@hempy]

Not posting this to change the topic of conversation or steer any of this in a different direction, but something needs to be pointed out here.

Haze all haze like it or not seems to have changed drastically from the seed that was being offered/Sold by all camps say 25 or even 20 years ago to what we see offered today.

This was posted by Sam at Cannabis world decades ago.

The older the seed you had as a starting point, the better it seems.

 

[Stoneguru]

Not posting this to change the topic of conversation or steer any of this in a different direction, but something needs to be pointed out here.

Haze all haze like it or not seems to have changed drastically from the seed that was being offered/Sold by all camps say 25 or even 20 years ago to what we see offered today.

This was posted by Sam at Cannabis world decades ago.

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The older the seed you had as a starting point, the better it seems.

I don't buy into that entirely. Selection still matters. Outlier Plants of the same haze parents can genetically test as mostly opposite sides of the world and almost unrelated. From my experience selecting these reignites fire.

If the above statement were entirely true then cannabis would never grow over 6 cm with one piece popcorn at the top by this point.

 

[AmericanFarmer]

Not posting this to change the topic of conversation or steer any of this in a different direction, but something needs to be pointed out here.

Haze all haze like it or not seems to have changed drastically from the seed that was being offered/Sold by all camps say 25 or even 20 years ago to what we see offered today.

This was posted by Sam at Cannabis world decades ago.

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The older the seed you had as a starting point, the better it seems.

That’s a plausible possibility hempy but when I look at OHz from the old days it looks the same almost identical to what I have seen . I even saw a picture of one of the haze bros standing next to an OHz guirrila plant with sun glasses on and it looks identical almost to the seeds man , Goli , MADMAC Ect. But if that’s the case that shit has evolved into an indica

 

[Stoneguru]

That’s a plausible possibility hempy but when I look at OHz from the old days it looks the same almost identical to what I have seen . I even saw a picture of one of the haze bros standing next to an OHz guirrila plant with sun glasses on and it looks identical almost to the seeds man , Goli , MADMAC Ect. But if that’s the case that shit has evolved into an indica

This is more plausible and its what we have seen even since 5haze '88. It's in everything.

It just devolved into countless shorter more profitable selections.

It could have also improved into greater haze if that was the ambition and desire of the culture

 

[AmericanFarmer]

May have better luck trying to breed the OHz. With something to try to recreate something close the original NL5 X Haze Ect.

 

[@hempy]

I distinctly remember the old O Haze the flying Dutchman sold in the late 90s/2000 because at the time I was tossing between getting ether O Haze or Nevil's Haze and I read all I could from grow reports smoke reports and I distinctly remember the look of the plants.

They look like Thai plants to me, they had long, long fingered thin leaf where today they look more Colombian and the Flowering was long over 20 weeks was normal you don't see them plants now.

 

[Stoneguru]

May have better luck trying to breed the OHz. With something to try to recreate something close the original NL5 X Haze Ect.

I'll run a couple 100 of Tom's 2025 batch. He is doing his layered OP along with his keeper cuts.

I think that new very rare haze combinations will come out of it.

The likelihood that people will even find the same type of keeper may become rare.

The NH may just become trampled has been of greed in the end while everything else improves past it.

 

[Elmer Bud]

This case is the most significant i have heard for Shanti Deliberately screwing the world with a bait and switch.

Dude !
He has Star Crash`s / Flower Power`s SSH pics advertising the Nevil`s Haze on his web site !!

I PM`d him years ago and told him . Added links to the thread here at IC that the pic is from . He told me Oh I`m not in charge of media !!! .
That is not OK ...

 

[AmericanFarmer]

I distinctly remember the old O Haze the flying Dutchman sold in the late 90s/2000 because at the time I was tossing between getting ether O Haze or Nevil's Haze and I read all I could from grow reports smoke reports and I distinctly remember the look of the plants.

They look like Thai plants to me, they had long, long fingered thin leaf where today they look more Colombian and the Flowering was long over 20 weeks was normal you don't see them plants now.

Some phenos of Johnny C , MADMAC , goli will go that long but on average I think 16-18 weeks. Original Haze doesn’t look like it’s changed much if at all but the haze hybrids on MNS have morphed into some thing so far from what it once was or claimed to be is laughable. But in all honesty not very funny if I spent coin on said seeds grew them out and got some pure Indy looking plants .

 

[Elmer Bud]

Not posting this to change the topic of conversation or steer any of this in a different direction, but something needs to be pointed out here.

Haze all haze like it or not seems to have changed drastically from the seed that was being offered/Sold by all camps say 25 or even 20 years ago to what we see offered today.

This was posted by Sam at Cannabis world decades ago.

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The older the seed you had as a starting point, the better it seems.

I believe there were several different batches of OHaze some more hybridised than others .

The Burning Bush that Sam told Nevil was sposed to be a Thai leaning Ohaze . Then later Sam says OHaze is a Colombian hybrid . How does it have Thai leanings if it`s Colombian ?

The different batches of OHaze Mad Mac was working with in recent times were distinctly different .

 

[Stoneguru]

Dude !
He has Star Crash`s / Flower Power`s SSH pics advertising the Nevil`s Haze on his web site !!

I PM`d him years ago and told him . Added links to the thread here at IC that the pic is from . He told me Oh I`m not in charge of media !!! .
That is not OK ...

Yeah....on second thought. I am going to throw the males in the trash. I don't mind spending the time, but I am not going to waste it.

I'll finish the females to at least report on it and offer people a point of reference either way

 

[@hempy]

The O haze has very much compared to the pictures of the plants I remember seeing from people growing them over at the old Cannabis World and old Over Grow.

It was bound to happen, people selecting for more practical traits faster flowering fuller flowers very few are after the extreme side of Haze.

 

[AmericanFarmer]

@HEMPY can we see some of your old pics of your 97’ NH or and F1 crosses you made for historical accuracy of plant structures, leaf structure , bud structure Thanks