Stoneguru
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Good traits can be buried in Fgen. So can bad ones. It only takes a couple for corrective course
The Nevils Haze and Nevils Haze hybrids discussion thread.
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AmericanFarmer
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Nice bro , fingers crossedIt doesn't look like what I would expect in the pictures either. Even the '97 didn't didn't have what the first release did on the haze leaners.
I quess I'll find out how shitty it is .
With numbers, selection and time I have been able to breed excellence out of shit. If there is anything left there I know what I am looking for. If not I don't care either.
There are always more right behind. Don't wait on anything
I got my tested garentee right behind it
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for you hope you find something good !of bandaid?
Stoneguru
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The Alpine 1.0 definitely have the effect and some of the desirable profile types. In 140 they stayed in the 5-10 % for a whole new level.Nice bro , fingers crossed
This was my favorite. Spruce, frankincense (not nl Incense) and ripe mango
I thought I was down to 9 seed. Very bumbed. I had a few storage packs I could see the label on for years. Opened it and it felt better than a kid on Christmas morning.
I popped half of what remains because I am worried it might be a disappointment in NH. If not this K2 and other keepers have reversed pollen to land on an NH and everything might pull onto a cleaner higher vibration.
Plan C and D are in the works to hahaha.
I mostly just love the journey and process.. disappointment is a waste of energy and preventable
I guess we should not be surprised people have a hard time believing that. Anyone who was a member at MNS back then knows you and Nevil were close. Honestly it's kind of funny that people who were not there feel so strongly about these things, like it's personal for them. It was a different time then, hempy. Hopefully you continue to share what Nevil shared with you. I know you must be laughing at this. I know I am.
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@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
I think some people just don't like to read or hear that truth and that's all I have ever tried to share with people by passing on the information I was given by Nevil, who better to get the facts from honestly. I have nothing to gain from doing that honestly, but I have always believed that truth matters.
You have seen a lot of my grow threads from seed to harvest, more than I can remember over many years the pictures of the plants speak volumes and speak for themselves.
I got my seed decades ago, and I go by them as I don't grow the current offerings and if people don't get the same results as me, it's somehow my fault WTF lol
Honestly, mate these people need to seek help.
Stoneguru
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I was thinking Oaxacan must be one of the unsung heros of haze. All the descriptions of the old Oaxacan. Pine, woody, cedarFrankincense, Myrrh, leather. True to taste. That's not Thai or Lumbo I have heard described, but they are in the best of haze.
Trichomes coating down the stems, fire red pistil foxtail pearls etc.
Here are some pictures of old Oaxacan from upstate and uprangewilly. Looking pretty hazey and those profiles are the ones I like and so hard to find in today's Thai lumbo dom haze.
Then Dwight sent me this picture of Nevil's Old Oaxaca which has pistils just as fiery feather as my incense haze from Nevils Haze incense type. It really isn't NL when talking frankincense haze imo.
Oaxaca
Frankincense Haze.
Really those trichome stems, profile and pistils were all on the best of what I remember in haze.
And then there is Vietnamese. Don't even get me started
Trichomes coating down the stems, fire red pistil foxtail pearls etc.
Here are some pictures of old Oaxacan from upstate and uprangewilly. Looking pretty hazey and those profiles are the ones I like and so hard to find in today's Thai lumbo dom haze.
Then Dwight sent me this picture of Nevil's Old Oaxaca which has pistils just as fiery feather as my incense haze from Nevils Haze incense type. It really isn't NL when talking frankincense haze imo.
Oaxaca
Frankincense Haze.
Really those trichome stems, profile and pistils were all on the best of what I remember in haze.
And then there is Vietnamese. Don't even get me started
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They look a bit.... nvm.
For reference, here are 2 shitty pics of those 97NHF1s that I ran a while back.
Here's one of Hempy's 97NHF2.
And here's one of my current GHS 97NHF2s
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AmericanFarmer
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Cross of Bandaid #7 with any other Hz or some beans of NH, NL5 X HzC anything close to the original release I know bandaid was a cut, but as long as someone crossed it into another Haze I’d definitely be interested.
AmericanFarmer
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I have a pack of those Oaxacan coin flips from Upsatate from several years ago will have to dig into those soon , 79’ Oaxacan from what I remember lots of “String Of Perl “ Phenos popped out.I was thinking Oaxacan must be one of the unsung heros of haze. All the descriptions of the old Oaxacan. Pine, woody, cedarFrankincense, Myrrh, leather. True to taste. That's not Thai or Lumbo I have heard described, but they are in the best of haze.
Trichomes coating down the stems, fire red pistil foxtail pearls etc.
Here are some pictures of old Oaxacan from upstate and uprangewilly. Looking pretty hazey and those profiles are the ones I like and so hard to find in today's Thai lumbo dom haze.
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Then Dwight sent me this picture of Nevil's Old Oaxaca which has pistils just as fiery feather as my incense haze from Nevils Haze incense type. It really isn't NL when talking frankincense haze imo.
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Frankincense Haze.
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Really those trichome stems, profile and pistils were all on the best of what I remember in haze.
And then there is Vietnamese. Don't even get me started
AmericanFarmer
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@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
Wrong, I didn't get a single seed from Nevil, and I was offered a lot, but I did give him seed.
My Nevil's Haze were F1s made by Nevil in 1997 I got them direct from Shanti as did others.
This I have read from a few people and I can't argue what other people are finding or would I, but I did ask a friend who did grow Nevil's Haze sold by Shanti I think it was around 2019, and he told me they were very sativa. Who knows, but the seed tell the story.
I can only tell the truth.
I have never said that what I have said is Shanti claims he still has the same parent plants so they have to be the same, I know he still had the mother in 2014 and around that time had the HzC also going by a friend who saw them.
Now if the seed don't grow like they did then things have changed, there can be no other reason other than seed being miss labelled, that's it.
AmericanFarmer
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Here’s a picture of a guy who grew out 3 packs of the Nevil’s Haze from MNS a few years ago now look at the best ones he grew does any of them look like the NH you got from 97’ ??
Take a good look
That’s all I’m saying they look heavily Indy and not to much haze. But that’s been the same story for longer than a decade so it can’t be mislabeling at this point.
So my apologies for taking a go at you but it’s indefensible what he’s peddling to the general public when like you say he still has the ability to produce the real deal like you got in 97’
Because if he still did I’d love to have about 5 packs of what you got .
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AmericanFarmer
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I’m not apologizing for what I was saying hempy , I’m apologizing how I said it . See how your colas are long and pointy baseball bats that’s what you should find if he’s using the same parents for the 97’ pack like you got that’s what I think of when I see true haze in something Colombian influenced I don’t see nothing but afghan dominance I. What those pics showed from that fellow.
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I agree. In my case it is Tom's 19+ week pheno but only one with the Fat Heads.
Stoneguru
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They look a bit.... nvm.
For reference, here are 2 shitty pics of those 97NHF1s that I ran a while back.
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Here's one of Hempy's 97NHF2.
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And here's one of my current GHS 97NHF2s
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Thanks for posting these. There are only around 8-10 that have Morphology like the ones above. 3 leaf, delicate branching and distinctly lighter leaves. They are also the only one that started with 3 leaflet rather than single leaflet. (The Johnny Blaze using the '97 also started out this way on half.)
It may be a marker for mass culling larger lots. We will see.
There are around 15 that are dark leaf. A few almost leathery with what seems to be NL influence.
Looking at the whole lot I have been thinking from the beginning that it almost looks like multiple parents could have been selected, but there is no way to know
I am not disagreeing that they look different. My point is that they are in different conditions.
You guys were probably trying to grow your plants where I am trying to stunt them.
They have been in nutrient dep under ~10 hr side light since they came up.
I'll call it how it is. I have been talking shit about the gear from there for years, but had not grown it in over 15 years. This grow will be decisive.
Bandaid 7 is an example of Morphological misinterpretation. My Alpine haze towered over it ×2+. It was a relatively dark glossy wide leaf. NL by compare to Alpine
However, it throws out an assortment of accurate quality haze profiles and haze potency. The effect is a bit of a drag for me, but it is a haze in what looks like an NL influence package.
There are also plenty of long flower NLD haze giants that burn like shit with mid potency too.
I'll be straight forward about what I find.
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Stoneguru
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I am trying to put together a ~120+ plant Oaxaca pearl grow this fall. I am up to 60 of Colorado Sativa's, Gas has an old Oaxacan Pearl type Copelitos. Waiting to hear back. I would like to include the silverside along side to, but missed that deal.
The nice thing about pearl type is I could probably double the volume per space. Bitch to untangle though
Getting them all side by side, reverse all males, smoke test everything etc. I think something special would come out the other side.
AmericanFarmer
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@HEMPY
This is an official apology brother.
I was wrong yesterday I know that you have spent decades preserving and involved in Haze and Nevil’s work, teachings , community.
I really appreciate your insight and input even if I don’t always agree .
You’re a good guy hempy and I know your heart is in the right place.
I hope this message finds you well today brother.
@Mods
Please clean up my mess in the last page or two in this thread I’m really sorry and will not happen again .
I thank you and humble myself before the whole community.
Respectfully,
AF
This is an official apology brother.
I was wrong yesterday I know that you have spent decades preserving and involved in Haze and Nevil’s work, teachings , community.
I really appreciate your insight and input even if I don’t always agree .
You’re a good guy hempy and I know your heart is in the right place.
I hope this message finds you well today brother.
@Mods
Please clean up my mess in the last page or two in this thread I’m really sorry and will not happen again .
I thank you and humble myself before the whole community.
Respectfully,
AF
