The Nevils Haze and Nevils Haze hybrids discussion thread.
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Stoneguru
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Around 20 Nevil's Haze males have been Identified so far.
As soon as they are identified I pull them from 12/12.
I'll let them stretch in veg for about a week, take the top cuttings and then begin ethylene treatment to reverse them for female parts. Then back into the flower room.
I hope I can avoid transplanting them out of the solo cups...I'll probably try packing them into wide shallow pots to allow more root growth for the 90+ days of flower.
I don't need them big. Just enough to smoke test for effect and profile.
Stoneguru
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Bandaid 7 x Silk S are 2 distant cousins within Nevil's hazes, but both are composed of Nevil's Haze line work.
So far The profiles coming off testers are more complex than either parent on its own. Everything and turned up.
There is a darker gloss coming in from b7 and The mutations of both are compounding in really fun ways.
I have had meristem mutations at the petiole many times from Silk S, but never 2 from one petiole
Then this one. B7 has the curl leaf variegation, but look, now the curl leaf is coming out the petiole meristem. Hahaha. Getting weird.
Maybe a bx will cause a mirror portal and the stalk and roots will grow backwards out of the petiole.
This cross seems to be meeting the equal or better criteria so far. I am hoping Silk S effect breaks through.
Silk S and Alpine 1.O K2 x JJ's Nigerian F1 are also in testing, but a little slower flowering so far.
So far The profiles coming off testers are more complex than either parent on its own. Everything and turned up.
There is a darker gloss coming in from b7 and The mutations of both are compounding in really fun ways.
I have had meristem mutations at the petiole many times from Silk S, but never 2 from one petiole
Then this one. B7 has the curl leaf variegation, but look, now the curl leaf is coming out the petiole meristem. Hahaha. Getting weird.
Maybe a bx will cause a mirror portal and the stalk and roots will grow backwards out of the petiole.
This cross seems to be meeting the equal or better criteria so far. I am hoping Silk S effect breaks through.
Silk S and Alpine 1.O K2 x JJ's Nigerian F1 are also in testing, but a little slower flowering so far.
I don’t know your goals with your project..
And my intention isn’t to troll or take a piss..
But if those males are the same age, there are some individuals amongst them, that to me, lack so much vigor that i would cull them without testing them
..of course it could pay of if you test the low vigor ones too, and then try to find better growing ones that are similar in effect with the better low vigor ones.
But for my own projects ,if plants noticeably lack vigor compared to the better ones i’m not gonna use them for breeding even if they’d have some traits that i would like, like smell and resin production and so on
What generation are those NH? What’s their origin? MNS? ..i’m wondering because there seems to be fair amount of afghani side of NL in them, more broad leaf traits i mean
Happy Times
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9/15 light and 18 weeks - wowza, props for the patience and dedication
Lookin healthy there, real interesting to see that extreme sativa structure
Stoneguru
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Vigor is a difficult thing to determine without knowing the conditions, age or any information.
They are not significantly different than many other equatorial cannabis under the same conditions at this stage
The goal was to sex them as quick as possible. 10.5 hr light to the side of the flowering room with slightly lower pH and nutrients to conserve on space.
They are from MNS and are likely a newer generation though get was still said to be lower.
Gauging leaf from plants barely entering veg can be misleading as well. Many equatorial start out looking BLD and thin to look like these 8"-12" fans in later veg/early flower
All of the leaves above were not much different than these Nevil's Haze when they started. Looking at Nevil Haze pictures like this one of the NH21 in Outback it does not look like his Haze is particularly NLD compared to many equatorial landraces in general.
Based on thes pictures It seems clear that the haze lines I developed are significant more NLD than the best '97 Nevil's haze selected by him. If this is the determinant of haze quality then does that mean the lines I developed of his work are superior because the leaves are longer and more narrow?
All that said...I can see what you are saying. I am just holding off on making determinations until all data points are collected through the life cycle of the 80 plants.
At the end of it I will offer a detailed assessment of all types and traits in that size lot of their current stock.
Many were saying the same of @TomHill posi haze seedlings as well. He offered this.
The conversation carried on with regional equatorials that had a lot of range from highland vs low land Thai, Colombian and environmental variations as described above.
I see what you are saying. It's just to early for me to pull out a caliper of the leaf to figure out cannabinoid ratios.
I am not invested in the results of the outcome either way. I just couldn't find anyone who did a real hunt on them to find out and document what the line is or isn't.
Time will tell, but hopefully that answers the vigor issue...I am not growing them for size... Quite the opposite of I can. This is a hunt.
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yep. That’s why i was asking
Well, i don’t fully agree as i have NL stuff that has thinner leaves than those in early veg
NL5 is afghani sativa hybrid so not all sativa traits in NH or 5Haze come from Haze
Sure highland sativas like some thh phenos can have quite broad leaves in early veg but clearly some of those NH plants have more than just haze genetics in them
Anyway ..good luck with the project
Stoneguru
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Yes. They do have NL as well and I would be surprised if some of that didn't come through.
My haze has thinner leaf than the Nevil's Haze or the Outback haze at mature stages That said they were not much different than either at this stage.
The thinnest starter seedlings I have seen are Colombian or Nigerian. Acapulco started out wide as NL and the narrower than Haze...it's all a mashup.
I'll share more info when they get into veg and flower.
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
I honestly can't remember how many males I selected threw, and oddly I had more males sex than females this seed hunt. The male I selected showed up early on, he was a stand-out and threw heavily to the right side of the Haze I wanted.
I go by the look of the plant frame, and a few other visional traits stem rub for smell but more importantly if it's resiny and is the resin oily or sticky things like that.
The most important test for me is smoke test and that will tell you what type of affect it will bring, and I do that by picking the small leaf from around the male flowers it tastes like shit, but you really get all you need to know from doing it.
AmericanFarmer
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You always say in any forum I’ve been in “Nevil told me” hempy I think your full of _
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Take some screen shots of your convos with Nevil and let’s ALL see what “Nevil told hempy “ lol
Your always defending shanti’s bait and switch strains the guy is not truthful about his lines if he still has any real lines he’s definitely NOT sharing with the community. At best he’s selling watered down versions , at worst he’s selling complete forgery’s of what he claims they are.
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
lol
How do you take a screenshot of a conversation you had off the internet ?
Get a life.
AmericanFarmer
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AmericanFarmer
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@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
What is wrong with you ?Your a SHMUCK , I have one calling out your bs after years of reading your “Nevil told me so” posts
You’re just mad because someone finally Fact Checked your lies and utter bs.
AF
I was friends with Nevil so what, and I was also friends with Shanti I am also a fan of the genetics they worked and sold, so are many others so why does that bother you ?
So you don't like me that's fine now ask me how does that affect me lol
AmericanFarmer
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Read post #510 3rd paragraph.
Your a shill for shanti , whenever someone notices that the pedigrees, original pics don’t line up with the confirmation of the current pics ( what’s being peddled to unsuspecting newbs)
Your always running
to play defense
“Shanti has all Nevil’s bean stash “
“Nevil told me so”
“ why would shanti not have the cuts anymore he’s got the parents”
Ect….
Lol
Your a shill for shanti , whenever someone notices that the pedigrees, original pics don’t line up with the confirmation of the current pics ( what’s being peddled to unsuspecting newbs)
Your always running
to play defense“Shanti has all Nevil’s bean stash “
“Nevil told me so”
“ why would shanti not have the cuts anymore he’s got the parents”
Ect….
Lol
Stoneguru
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I had speculated on this for years as haze went down hill for decades.
In 80 haze on haze there should be at least 3 equal to what it once was or it is a total hack job.
It really isn't difficult to maintain quality at that ratio.
Either way I realized I was being a joke myself for not giving it a real run. If anyone else has a side from @Neutrino they haven't posted in on forums.
Should have all the facts by June
AmericanFarmer
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It is a total con job on mns part!
I’ve watched so many newbs grow out so called NH and looks like it’s some kind of full blood Indy strain of unknown origins claiming to be NH or NL5 X Haze C
Ect..,, when in fact it doesn’t fit the bill.
Then those newbs / suckers go and breed with it claiming “It’s original NL X Hz or Nevil’s Haze or SSH ect..,
The guy should have came out years ago and said hey I’ve lost the originals/ seed stock or something instead of claiming in his seed catalog said pedigree and the actual plants people I’ve seen grow out of said lines don’t even look CLOSE to the originals.
Everyone who has an eye for Haze or Haze hybrids knows what those plants should look like but people like hempy say to you , DONT BELIEVE YOUR LYING EYES!!!!
Lol I’m tired of the cons I’m sorry I’m calling a spade a spade .
Stoneguru
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@Neutrino ran ~20+ female o'haze, Nevil's Bandaids and more together...
My take of his summary finding was that the Nevil's were more powerfully potent across the board, but he was challenged to find ones that were palletable.
I think his favorite effect might have come from an o-haze.
I have read that the ratio of quality was equally in the line the Bandaid came from.
It seems the challenge with Nevil's and o'haze has consistently been a high quality profile that translates to taste.
Second to that might be finding the truly novel effect...from what he found nothing lacked on the potency anyway.
To my potency isn't unique anymore. Any potency a person wants in flower or concentrate is readily available.
It's not unique to haze
AmericanFarmer
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I hope someone out there has some original F1’s or F2’s still to make some seed , I want some but don’t want to be swindled .
Stoneguru
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It doesn't look like what I would expect in the pictures either. Even the '97 didn't didn't have what the first release did on the haze leaners.
I quess I'll find out how shitty it is .
With numbers, selection and time I have been able to breed excellence out of shit. If there is anything left there I know what I am looking for. If not I don't care either.
There are always more right behind. Don't wait on anything
I got my tested garentee right behind it
