The 'inventor' lawsuits for ice hash kits

[Aroma]

thanks for your replies, basicaly it would appear the guy invented an original water ice extractor with a 'bladder' and that is patented, so i guessed he was threatening taking to court anyone selling copies of his machine not the bubblebags and ice-o-lator bags. But then it wasn't worded like that in the advert/article in CCNEWZ

tainted : good point, hopefuly one day cannabis won't be an illegal plant.

trichomefarmer : hi mate, thanks for sharing that hope your genius is going well. maybe that guy at the show is the same bloke, he is obviously trying some bizzarre alternative marketing strategies . slagging off competitors , threatening legal action in adverts etc.

 

[HYDRO KING]

"Laytonville, CA "

I love Blaytonville

I invented a method called "pocket pool" in my early teens, it also involved the same fondeling of genitilia method. Patent still pending: established Jan 1989.


So Verite and Diego, you guys owe me.

 

[Aroma]

"Icecold.org and the Xtractor Kit is a venture of Grobots International Inc. Laytonville, CA 95454-0123, USA, and their respective logos are trademarks/registered trademarks worldwide. The "Ice Water Method", The Xtractor Kit and all other applications of the method are protected by US Patent # 6,158,591 and Foreign Patents Pending. This product is only to be used to produce legal plant resin extracts. "

thanks for the info Chimera. I've just ordered your C-plus which is very exciting...peace

 

[tainted]

I met some guy at cannatrade selling these things. He may have been the man himself, though I hope not, cause he wasn't a good rep. He quickly showed me some half assed chunk of hash, saying it was only the 2nd quality, but that this machine could get as good quality but more quantity, than those 'stupid bag crap' methods. who does a trade show and shows off their 2nd quality.

personally i dont see his cause for any lawsuit, they are quite different products, and not even the process is the same. trade marking the english language (water extraction) moronic.


his explanation as to why water hash didn't taste/smell as good when using bags was hilarious, and totally wrong imo. his reason was that by seperating the gland head from the stalk the flavours were exposed and washed away. meanwhile im playin' with a piece of fmcd lui that reeks to high heaven.... all in all one hell of a laugh.

aint you BMs boy...

the process is the same except an additional step...where most bag systems use gravity to divide the mash from the trikes...this process adds a layering step where the trikes are layered by weight so bunk layers can be immedietly isolated from higher grades...from that point on...like the bags...using SIZE filtration..

icecold uses SIZE and WEIGHT to isolate the trikes...bag systems use weight but not to further divide....

nothing stopping people from adding this process step to their filter systems already used..another great factor is that preisolating--you have less working water...so can now use small sheets or 1gal bag systems...

the specific gravity cones are available from aquaticeco.com as brine shrimp hatchers...can use any cone shape...

so now someone can remarket road cones as canna-kones and add 700% prof margin...just like the all these systems do....

 

[Dewzy]

shit, even if he does not get mutch from a settlement or doesent win at all, look at all the free publicity and adverting this guy is gettin just for splashing a lil bit of water around.
i for one just looked at his website and i seriously doubt i would have ever found it without this thread.
imagine how many other threads will pop up about this on other board around the net. that vaugeness about who is he threatening to posecute and what exatcly for was done on purpsoe.
makin waves to get free publicity is the oldest one in the book. plotitcians do it all the time, lol.

 

[ilife]

article

article

http://www.kingofnepal.net/files/articles_icewars.html

 

[OGDread]

ripoff

ripoff


Mila from the pollinator shop has been doing exactly that since the seventies, I seen it commerical in the eighties in het shop. There is propbably proof in older high times.
She hasnt thought of it either, afghans have used ice shimming for long times.
Ripoff artist, with his fake "Intellectual property"
He is why patents stink.

 

[tainted]

although that article has its definite flaws...its till speaks more of the truth than most stories about ice hash...and how it got here...

with taht said..mila is a POS...she was the one who origianally price made the insane cost for filter bags...but the origianator is no less guilty having weaknesses in his design...with a 400 dollar sticker price..hes no "genius"...its filtration...filtration is a science..and no need to reinvent the wheel when the labs have shite that will far exceed our current quality...like using CERTIFIED grade sizes out of sintered metal with round slots...

also..the article is correct..weve sorta screwed up the patents original effectiveness by removing a very large step...the "enlarged" settling process...

you can buy them here...save yourself 300+ bucks off what the Xtractor calls for...just use with the bags you already own...now you can potentiallu use 1 gallon bags too...for 5 gallons of start effluent..

http://www.aquaticeco.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/product.detail/iid/6057/cid/1693

 

[Chiefsmokingbud]

I don't get how you can patent a "machine" and say the bags are a direct ripoff. IMO he couldn't patent the "ice water process" which for him to sue everyone is the type of patent he would have to have. There is no way he could patent the process, any patent attorney with half a brain would know that. I see too many holes in that suit.

 

[Devilock]

All you gotta do is read the book "HASHISH" by Robert Connell Clarke and you'll know none of these jack asses invented the water seperation method. Peace and *bong* :friends:

 

[Harry Gypsna]

this guy was a top hash smuggler.... he has a book called the king of nepal (name dafter the primo hash)

 

[Harry Gypsna]

A claim like this will never hold up in the courts, i've got a copy of HT from the late 80's early 90's and theres a cold water and ice hash extraction machine in it, i think it was called the "extractor" and was made of stainless steel and looked more like a brewers vat that was converted, almost like a upsidedown liquer still.

Besides, when it comes to cannabis, i'm sure they wont ever take a patent case to seriously, and even if they did and awarded him a judgement, winning and collecting are two different animals.


Peace

That extractor was his kit mate..... im pretty sure anyway....


Whoops, this covers both my posts but i answered without reading the whole thread and duplicated answers that had already been given....

 

[Will]

Read an article in CCnews 23
http://www.ccnewz.com (a free uk growing paper) about some prick called Joseph R Pietri "the inventor" who has patented some ice extraction device and to quote a little of the article :

"The inventor is currently seeking to enforce his original us patents on the ice water extraction process mentioned above. Lawsuits are likely to follow, in Europe as well as US and canada, involving several well known names"

I for one will not be ordering any of this sad individuals products. But include his website for your infomation. I highly suspect his threats are BS. what a complete and utter asshole.

http://www.icecold.org/company.htm

Machine he speaks of was introduced at 1997 Cup, when Ice water extraction method introduced. Milla breeched contract so yes she will be taken to court so will bubblehead and any other pirates. Or apply for license at icecold.org

 

[Will]

I did not invent method I represent icecold.org, we have been award our patents for EU and Canada. Now the true Ice Water method is being taught. The Ice water method made all traditional processing techniques obsolete, no more drying, and seiving material, or the use of solvents. Now fresh material in the ice water enviroment the leaves stay flexible, the trichomes freeze and fall off with simple agitation. Every step in bubble bags delutes material, they tell you dry it, grind it, freeze it, then pass it thru 5-8 bags how crazy is that? You have just destroyed your dope. The ice water method made all that obsolete. These idiots tied an obsolete seiving system to ice water extraction, which made seiving obsolete. These idiots tell you to destroy your dope and then they call themselves Masters and give each other awards. The machine he speaks of XTR 1000 is the only true ice water application on the market designed by the patent holder. see EU patent 1015118 Canadian # 2321815. Milla breeched her contract, now she will be sued. We call here iceolater, Ipaylater. She is a joke, Bubbleman is a thief who sells cheap fabric at wedding dress prices, using ice water method as profit multiplier, when in fact the method made seiving obsolete. You are all fools who believe either of these people!! Stop throw you terpinoids in the toilet Start using fresh material then ccheck your results. The XTR has one filter, that's it, it's only 150 microns/ These ass holes have completely distorted the method to sell cheap fabric. see patent. High Times article May 1998 issue A giant step in agricultural processing.

 

[Will]

All you gotta do is read the book "HASHISH" by Robert Connell Clarke and you'll know none of these jack asses invented the water seperation method. Peace and *bong* :friends:

Robert C Clarke is the ripoff, he was at the 1997 cup when both the machine and the method of ice water extraction were introduced by inventor who had a contract with Milla, which was breeched, yet he failed to include this introduction in his book. That is when the patent confusion began. Skunkman telling everyone inventor would never get patent, because of his Sadhu Sam recipe, which has been used for centuries, simple water separation, glands being heavier than water and sink away from plant material which floats, in Pakistan this method was used to clean up the local pollin, same in Afghanistan. The Ice Water method different it made all traditional forms of processing obsolete as now fresh material can be used. Every step in traditional processing delutes product. Anyhow from that Cup the inventor was ripped off , Skunkman and Clarke now work for GW Pharm who is isolating the terpinoids in order to make more patented cannabis medicine and kill the medical pot scene. Of course this will never happen. Just imagined if inventor just sold his method to Big Pharm, we would have never seen Ice Hash. The Dutch should build a statue to Reinhard the German inventor,

 

[Will]

Anyone who was at that cup can attest to the above being fact. In the 1998 article May issue of High Times, it called the new method a giant step in agricultural processing. Names Milla as our distributor for the XTR 420, which is what we called the machine then. After she breeched her contracy she came out with the iceolater or as we call it Ipaylater, usoing our diagrams which we got our patent on for her instructions, how foolish. She is boxed in by two contracts, she will lose. So will Bubbleman and any other pirating companies that sell cheap fabric at wedding dress prices using our patented method as a profit multiplier, when the method made their dsystems obsolete. The Xtractor madee the polinator obsolete in 1997. The Dutch at first tried to control every aspect, then Skunkman created Bubbleman,! Have you heard he is selling a 20 bag kit. Anyone who believes that guy is just too stupid. I have been in the hash business 40 years, I wrote the book The King of Nepal. Smuggled out of Nepal, Pakistan, Afghanistan, India, Lebannon, Bangkla Desh, Thailand, Columbia, Bolivia, you name it I have done it in the hash business. Also I am quite well known for my honesty and straight forwardness. I'll be making hash at the Cup this year as Swiss Ice Cold returns after 9 years. No way any bubble hash can come close to ice hash made the correct way!!!!

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

alright let the fun begin!

 

[trichomefarmer]

I did not invent method I represent icecold.org, we have been award our patents for EU and Canada. Now the true Ice Water method is being taught. The Ice water method made all traditional processing techniques obsolete, no more drying, and seiving material, or the use of solvents. Now fresh material in the ice water enviroment the leaves stay flexible, the trichomes freeze and fall off with simple agitation. Every step in bubble bags delutes material, they tell you dry it, grind it, freeze it, then pass it thru 5-8 bags how crazy is that? You have just destroyed your dope. The ice water method made all that obsolete. These idiots tied an obsolete seiving system to ice water extraction, which made seiving obsolete. These idiots tell you to destroy your dope and then they call themselves Masters and give each other awards. The machine he speaks of XTR 1000 is the only true ice water application on the market designed by the patent holder. see EU patent 1015118 Canadian # 2321815. Milla breeched her contract, now she will be sued. We call here iceolater, Ipaylater. She is a joke, Bubbleman is a thief who sells cheap fabric at wedding dress prices, using ice water method as profit multiplier, when in fact the method made seiving obsolete. You are all fools who believe either of these people!! Stop throw you terpinoids in the toilet Start using fresh material then ccheck your results. The XTR has one filter, that's it, it's only 150 microns/ These ass holes have completely distorted the method to sell cheap fabric. see patent. High Times article May 1998 issue A giant step in agricultural processing.

hahahahahaha

lets see this hash

lmao bring it on will.... I hope you come to the table with something smokeable, unlike that muck at the cannatrade show.

 

[Alex-F]

I cant wait for all the beer companies to chime in with their 20 year old commercials showing ice cold filtered beer.

btw I have recently patented the process I call Jerky® which consists of any hand/finger manipulation of the genitals. All previous use of the word masturbation will cease and those caught making Jerky® without paying due royalties will be sued. Good day.

Any plans for expanding to Germany? I'd be interested in a franchise

 

[tainted]

tim robbins of sieve production

tim robbins of sieve production

yea will..well...that alll may be true..you have contract with mila..you perhaps will win...

however...your patent is weak...we all know that...

xtr./.oh and 420..how stoner...pffftt...well..just posted a link..with the addition of a micron sheet in multiple micron sizes you have a tool which far surpasses the xtr's abilities at 1/4-1/3 the cost...so...yea..BM...sucked up the nazi himmler prices....so did you..even more so....and BM could undercut and still overcharge for huge profits...well not my faukt..until we convince others to change before more people want a piece of the frenzy...

so good luck..but man..your design is campy-retardo as is milas and BMs so who gives a shit about your patent..filtration is a science...while you all introduce the wheel again..cool//but once again...not that dumb...

so yea..attempt to monopolize the market with your pissant patent and contract with one competitor..and your cash will be sooner or later be exhausted by legal contest...street runs both ways....eh...."player"