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THE HYPERBOREA PROJECT

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arcticsun

While we are talking along the lines of improvement, there is much to improve in the room.

My biggest concern is the low ceilings, they are only about 200cm tall from the floor. I use adjust a wing reflectors with 600w digital hps ballasts. These simply put out way too much radiation heat, producing hotspots. They are also putting out much more then the needed lumen in range of the plant tops. Lighting and heat distribution is uneven and some plants must suffer overexposure to light and light saturation. This problem is visible in some of my plants as prolonged spear shaped bud tops.

This is especially a problem as the plants enter the later phases where the metabolism slows down and they are unable to absorb nutes at the same speed. Some ammonia buildups are prone to occur due to photorespiration and also stunted growth and development. Allowing for higher temperatures and Co2 levels as long as possible is imperative in order for the plant to be able to metabolize the light.

I was an idiot when i bought my lamps, I thought that putting the highest wattage possible and as many lights as possible in there would necessarily pay off in terms of more yield and more trichs. Big mistake, I've learned whats enough and whats too much. I try to prevent some of the heat radiation damage with ventilation, but this is not optimal.

Another thing i have been considering in addition to lower wattage output pr unit is the angle of light provided. The conical shape of the bud and pine tree shape of the plant optimizes light uptake at a lower angle. Pine trees are excellent comparisons and examples as their shape is forged by the low angle of light provided at northern latitudes and also high altitudes. This results in a pointy triangle shaped tree with needles instead of leaves. Leaves are optimized for light uptake from a vertical source, hence they are flat and trees with leaves have a wider canopy.

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Plants make rapid adaptations to their environment, cannabis expresses this in a huge variety from automatic flowering plants to wide leaf plants and very thin leaf plants. One thing that remains however is the conical shape of the buds and triangular or pole shape of the plant itself, something that reveals that its true origins is a low angle light environment.


.. getting to the point, i feel that providing a vertical light source is not only limiting my already scarce roof place but also its not optimal for the canopy or potential of the plants production.


So here is just a very rough paint sketch of what i have been thinking of doing while taking all the above mentioned things into consideration. I think such a setup will provide a correct and even light throughout the room without hotspots or extremely light spots.

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As i said .. very rough drawing with paint, also mind you the scale of things are way off. I was thinking of using cooltubes of some sort. Ill see what i can get my hands on at a reasonable price. Maybe the regular rounded cooltubes will be best as i can easily adjust the angle of the circular tubes to adapt for lighting small plants.


mmk.. Just some thoughts on improvements.. :joint: we will see what the cashflow allows, or maybe ill have an eureka moment meanwhile which allows me to better use what i already have.
 

Suomi-Prkl

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cooltube is a great tool. i've been using them for years now and as long as you get your canopy CLOSE to the tubes you will be fine. i tried the adjust-a-wing in my darkroom 120 with 600w hps last spring but it was just a tad too much. had some heat related issues with plants.

tube is great, never had any problems. the need a cleaning once in a while though.

things are great in here, my tent is getting full and i'm starting to get that coco dialed in!

peace mate!
 
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arcticsun

great m8 :yes: id love to switch to coco, but the shipping up here is just too expencive with too few customers to order any real bulk orders.


hmm you are making a point about the distance from the tube to the plant. i think in such a setup im considering that the distance will be too far. if i recall correctly the floorspace in that room is 200X300cm with 200 cm ceilings. the idea was to mount 2x400w on each of the 3meter walls for a total of 1600w in the room.

atm there are two 600w's in there, first half of the flowering was done with three 600w's but that was too much so i removed one. so now there are two 600w lamps only.


maybe the same setup with the lamps in the corner of the room could be done with regular reflectors? or maybe i should consider a vertical setup in order to utilize the room properly... im just loosing too much vertical space as it is.
 

Suomi-Prkl

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vertical is just what i woulda suggested next. check out the vertical growing sub-forum! ;)

i'ma have to get a update soon, been too lazy and on cannacookies! :laughing:
 
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arcticsun

ill most def be considering vertical...


yumyum cannacookies sounds delish, ill be lurking and awaiting that update :D
 
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arcticsun

Right back atcha LB! :wave: :respect:


Scorpions- Polar Nights (1976) Virgin Killer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL-4nX4YUb0 :joint:



Some of that sativa from the TNT mixpack freebies i got from Fritillary seeds, ill get u some better pix of it later today, im just bored and felt like posting something in my own thread for once :D its starting to put on some trichs for me. its got another month to go atleast, who knows maybe two? i havent grown anything this thin leaved and tropical since my first SSH 100day+ pheno from Mr.Nice. thats ages ago.

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Its damn near impossible to get descent closeups with the hps on it seems, there is just too much light coming from all directions so the camera has major problems focusing.

These pics were with the flash off, and i just kind of think the details are easier to see with the flash on even if there is a fluorecent glow to the pics.

Ill work on it, step up my game. but im afraid im much better with living things then with electronic ones :canabis:


peace cannafamily, :respect: thanks for all the inspiration :wave:
 
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arcticsun

I suppose ive gotta put alittle more juice in here to draw in the crowd... there is such tuff competition in ic these days. All them fancy strains, interesting setups and cool people... :D

Maybe some more pics of the Cheese/SSH will be more interesting then my ranting about light angles and northern hemisphere climate zones and whatnot. :D

Im sure a few out there must have considered my sanity a couple of times when coming across one of my rants. I do have one picture today to illustrate what this thread is about.

Here is my lawn today at 70 north, some days into the dark season. November 21st, maxtemps today was about 8C.... i wish i had a greenhouse!!
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Lets see some big ol SuperCheese buds then shall we?! :D :joint:

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Strainbrain

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I'm still firmly planted in here, AS... love the buds and the nature and north photos. Always a treat to come by. :smoke:

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arcticsun

Always a treat to have you drop in strainbrain :wave: its much apriciated :D Dude i should update on my own crosses just in your honor m8, they are hanging to dry atm. My Tak3's .. the TAK2/AK47 cross. I had 2 phenos, one indica and one sativa. I am just sampling the indica pheno atm and its killing me. :woohoo:

Ill go and snap some shots of them in the drying room in a bit, got good news ive got some new genetix coming my way. Ive been promiced a snowdog cut from esbes garden, and some snowdog Bx2 beans, this is coming from a friend who has been visiting Denmark recently. I suppose noone visits my thread anyway, so i can put alittle wotwooot biggup to Northgrow.no in here. Best growshop in scandinavia! Best know it! :joint:


This is awesome news, I can make a Bx3 with the snowdog. He also got some SSSDH and amnezia haze. Which is great news.. just great! :woohoo: hopefully ill get my hands on the full range of phenos once they are a little bigger. :woohoo: Ive decided to return to the "DMT", our fantastic elite cut that we have run here for years. Its one insane heavy duty indica, most likely a NL5 from the 90s. Some that has followed my earlier threads have seen it, most of you i guess havent. This one will be crossed to SSSDH male once we get it.


Sry where is my manners, i was going to put in some more pics to draw in the crowd. Wasnt going to scare the precious ones i have away with more rants :D


Some more of that unknown sativa from TNT mixpack, Fritillary seeds freebie. Me and her have frequent hot bondage moments, let me tell u! She gets me all worked up. I dont know how many times ive entered the room seeing her flat out on the floor.

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Some pics of one of the FinX, the FinX have some purple in her. Its still alittle early to show very well, she is very dark, almost black. So are her sisters.

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A Super Silver Haze F2... Please visit this thread: http://icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=107020 - SSH F2 (the freebie growers thread) -and give your props to DocLeaf with my best regards. More cool pics of not only mine but also others SSH F2's... Enjoy :D

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Thats all the pictures i was allowed to put in one post, ive got more pictures uploaded that i havent posted yet, that inc in a mom.


As mentioned, INX in THIS THREAD!!: SSSDH, Amnezia haze, Snowdog cut from esbes garden, DMT (NL5), Psicodelica, TAK3, SISU F1, Pehkuruder/AK47 F1, Pehkuruder F3 or 4 (not sure hehe), SSH/pehkuruder, FinX/Pehkuruder. +++ breeding projects, reconstruction of the rooms, nature shots etc etc..

Whoever is missing out, they are really going to miss out! :joint: Let the shit hit the fan! :D
 

Strainbrain

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs
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I'm interested in what you're learning from your own crosses. I'm just in the process of picking a male (and I think/hope I have a good one) for my own first test-cross... I know I'm really looking forward to all that can be learned from such an endeavor. (And maybe to some unbelievable girls - the mom I'm using is 100% A+ world-class IMHO.)

Sounds like one hell of an incoming party, too... nice work. =) I have some of ojd's SSSDH beans in the mail, sounded too good to pass up for sure. Assuming they make it to me, I'll be popping those in ~Feb.


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arcticsun

awesome bro hope i can get started with some SSSDH before that tbh, but we will see.

I think ive been learning alot recently since i started tossing around pollen. I cant wait to get started with a larger selection of beans to choose from. thats going to be really interesting.

I do think the biggest concern is usually not the lack of a good mother, but getting as far as selecting a potent father is more of a hazzle, as you need a designated room for him. The autos were easy to manage in this regard as one doesnt have to put all that concern into the room with them not needing darkness and that. Hopefully the strain is stabile tho, and the males similar.
 

Strainbrain

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Yeah, finding a good dad is the trick for sure. I've read the breeder's forum about 437865298365 times and by every little piece of advice or breeder's trick dropped in a thread, I have what could well be a good one. I realize that in nature there are no guarantees, but I see potential in spades.

I'd love to get started with the SSSDH sooner too, but I have a queue. I really just need another tent...


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arcticsun

I have 4 SSH F2 males, and a couple of males from that unknown sativa i run from fritillary seeds. One is stinkyer then the others, but i guess i will have to flower them out to see if they have any trichomes. Hehe you say another tent yea, i know the feeling bro. Got the same problem, but im trying hard to keep the grow as small as absolutely possible. My curiosity and exitement gets the best of me sometimes tho and i end up with too many plants.

Im not sure what to do with those males, i kind of dont want to dump them, but i also have a queue i need to do some selections with AK47/pehkuruder F1s and with the SISU F1s. That kind of ties up the little tent i have for males for atleast a 3 months. And then i have the snowdogs, SSSDH and Amnezia haze coming. Plus i need to do some F2's selections also before summer... Geeez.. i just realized i have no time to use those SSH males. Maybe i have room for 1 of them.. but id have to make a blind selection.


Here is another SuperCheeseHaze cola for ya m8. Another pheno with tighter nugs.
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arcticsun

lol ya i bet you're not called strainbrain for nothing :D I feel ya bro. I usually run loads of strains aswell. Mostly because i build tolerance real quick cus i smoke alot, so i need to mix it up frequently. I get bored aswell, need something new to keep the edge you know :joint:

Here is the back row in the room, the cowboy row as its called.
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This seeded FinX has stunted growth, she was buldozed by another one of the fat girls when she tipped over. Also unfortunately she had gone very dry that day. It was a disaster sight that faced me that day. If it was the drought or the wipeout that caused the stunted growth i dunno. I dont like the sad look of her atm so here is just the top bud. Pistils are turning brown on me, buds are underweight and ive been keeping her on the same schedule as the others so i bet she is both overfed and malnuted. i dont give a crap about the yield on this one, i just want those beans to finish nicely. This one has black and purpleish colors that dont show very well in my conditions.

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arcticsun

im such an idiot sirsmokealot. forgive me sir, now you can all see the pictures!!
 

L~B

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There is Just so much goodness here and you really chose quite a place to live lucky bastard.
 

SirSmokalot

My Zips Be So Fluffy The Whole Town Love Me
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thats more like it.
extremely nice brother
the supercheesehaze is rockin it. do u have anything to show scale on her. she just looks so huge .
great job
 
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