The Haze discussion thread

[CannaRed]

Also what few know is even in the tropics the sun becomes further away from the earth at set times of the year as the earth tilts as one hemisphere goes from winter to summer.

Why even in the tropics you have cooler temps and less light intensity at set times of the year.

The time a sativa is placed into flower is one part but as important is the light intensity the plants receive in flower compared to veg now if you want your sativa plants to continue to throw out veg shoots and your flowers to not fully fill out keep them close to the intense light.

If you want your sativa plants to fill out and mature right then as they go into flower place them on the outer of your grow space or tie train the plants away from the light.

Sativas mature from the top down outdoors indoors they mature from the bottom up.

I noticed this when growing Malawi x Panama from Acein a 3x3 under 315 CMH. I had 2 different plants. The branches in the middle of the tent directly under the light stretching and not budding properly. But the buds on the outside edges of the tent were the densest and frostiest.

I also saw this to a much smaller degree on that wild wheat pheno I grew of oh from Todd

 

[romanoweed]

i always thought, that the Lgiht vendors advised a incomplete Theory: they said plants dont need green spectrum, just blue and red.
I always thought thats not true. It could been just a Sales Pitch..
It might be true if you want best Quantity, highest Gramm per Watt.. I think thats what they were talking about. And probably is approved by some scientists, but again, just a proove for Quantity.
I think its like your presenting plants an unbalanced Menue.. And while some of the coolest People probably on Earth probably didnt eat well, (les say some Africans with Foodcrysis, the Camerateam films, and everyone is cheering and dancing) , while its most importantly to have the right genetics, it may still be true that those Africans would performed even better with propper and well balanced Food.

Iits super interesting to search comparison Videos and reports. The people certainly report differences.. And some fullspectrum Lights like LEP Plasma just always get superb reviews, and there is one Light.. how was it called, forgot it, but very non-full Spectrum often gets worse reviews..
Personally im not even shure if its all about the Spectral Balance.. Like leds dont really catch my interesse despite the balanced Spectral Graphs, dont know why.. So, fmy Favorite would definitly be a LEP, or a Metalhalyde, probably a Led..

 

[@hempy]

Here are just a few examples

The plant pictured at the back is one plant.

The left part of the plant that has much fuller denser maturing flowers is away from the intense light.

The right part of the plant that is basically under the intense light looks like its in a veg state not fully flowering.

I have shared the info up to you what you do with it.

Not here to debate what i know is factual.

 

[harvestreaper]

i always thought, that the Lgiht vendors advised a incomplete Theory: they said plants dont need green spectrum, just blue and red.
I always thought thats not true. It could been just a Sales Pitch..
It might be true if you want best Quantity, highest Gramm per Watt.. I think thats what they were talking about. And probably is approved by some scientists, but again, just a proove for Quantity.
I think its like your presenting plants an unbalanced Menue.. And while some of the coolest People probably on Earth probably didnt eat well, (les say some Africans with Foodcrysis, the Camerateam films, and everyone is cheering and dancing) , while its most importantly to have the right genetics, it may still be true that those Africans would performed even better with propper and well balanced Food.

Iits super interesting to search comparison Videos and reports. The people certainly report differences.. And some fullspectrum Lights like LEP Plasma just always get superb reviews, and there is one Light.. how was it called, forgot it, but very non-full Spectrum often gets worse reviews..
Personally im not even shure if its all about the Spectral Balance.. Like leds dont really catch my interesse despite the balanced Spectral Graphs, dont know why.. So, fmy Favorite would definitly be a LEP, or a Metalhalyde, probably a Led..

depending on were you from most modern cultures had there history culture knowlwedge tasken and more dependant versions taught back to them ,,something more becoming of devoting your peoples existance to the banks ,,,so without going to far into one ,,,we just rediscovering the truths our ancensters knew very well and im sure would of handed down naturally if they were left un domesticated ,,i guess the road back to findout still fun to travel

 

[harvestreaper]

Here are just a few examples




The plant pictured at the back is one plant.

The left part of the plant that has much fuller denser maturing flowers is away from the intense light.

The right part of the plant that is basically under the intense light looks like its in a veg state not fully flowering.



I have shared the info up to you what you do with it.

Not here to debate what i know is factual.

think i read this from you or someone years ago and after testing it out ,,hazes do better away from the light as opposed to directly under it ..,,,not sure if same with leds ,,but hps an cmh for sure

 

[@hempy]

think i read this from you or someone years ago and after testing it out ,,hazes do better away from the light as opposed to directly under it ..,,,not sure if same with leds ,,but hps an cmh for sure

It was me did a thread on it.

Led grow lights have a dim switch so keep it maxed in veg then turn it down in flower no need to tie train the plant away from light or to even place the plant on the outfitter edge of grow.

I really like that feature about Led lights.

 

[Alpenglow]

It was me did a thread on it.

Awesome Info!
Can you link to that thread before we go more offtopic here?

 

[yesum]

So the sativa plants do not like super intense light, I can see that being true. But liking it and turning the smoke into something special could be different? I try to grow pure sativas at this point btw. I am not at all concerned with yield or if the plants 'like' anything, I only care about the effects of the smoke. Not sure if it is enhanced with using the strongest possible light or not.

 

[CannaT]

The more light the better,why it cant be close to HPS ?


the reason is not in too much light but in the excessive temperature that this lamp creates, thus frying the plant. Put your hand close to hps, for a while, everything will be much clearer to you.

if you have 600w hps at least 60cm/23.6in from plant,if you have 1000w than 100cm or 40in..from bulb to plant is minimum.

 

[star crash]

I also seem to get better results with less light farther away from the plant tops & finally learned that after 25 years of growing: I’m HPS all the way

 

[CannaT]

To get Haze strain fast,not airy but heavy cristal and dense as it can be, this is my recipe....I grow with hids... In flower i give them day temp Lights ON 22C night Light off 20C.

First 3 weeks I give them 12/12h
4-8 weeks 11/13
8-12 weeks 10/14
12+ 8/16
after 10 weeks room temps I put on 22C lights on 18C lights off.

Nothing will flower more then 14 weeks.

And very low humidtiy around 30-35%.

 

[romanoweed]

I also seem to get better results with less light farther away from the plant tops & finally learned that after 25 years of growing: I’m HPS all the way

strange. i heard the exact opposite a couple times.. i heard people had best results with alot of Watts.

Also a Californian tells me the equatorials performed best indoors. Not that its easy, but like said the best results.
I think people are all right, and had their best results differently? In the end im pretty shure you get consenus regarding the choice of Indoorlights, its just expensive. And also consenus that growing too far north, even with greenhouse, the plants wont shine. Its not that sativas dream of clouded skies and TOO lowhanging sun either

 

[unnamedmike]

I also seem to get better results with less light farther away from the plant tops & finally learned that after 25 years of growing: I’m HPS all the way

Not sure in other sativas, but both of my destroyers can flower and stretch forever with a strong light. They prefer less light the last months for a better maduration and bag appeal.

 

[star crash]

Less light for me is still probably a lot of light for some of you…You reach a certain point when more light just don’t do anything … it becomes detrimental …I try to Maintain 1000 wants of HPS Per 4 foot footprint …the problem is the distance to the canopy

 

[harvestreaper]

It was me did a thread on it.

Led grow lights have a dim switch so keep it maxed in veg then turn it down in flower no need to tie train the plant away from light or to even place the plant on the outfitter edge of grow.

I really like that feature about Led lights.

apologies sometimes i forget were a ;pearl comes from ..great share worked for me
above,,todds haze pheno 3 light dep uk

 

[@hempy]

apologies sometimes i forget were a ;pearl comes from ..great share worked for me
above,,todds haze pheno 3 light dep uk

Nothing to apologize for mate all that matters is the info being shared helps others.

Getting the best out of the genetics we grow is key.


Mary Christmas harvestreaper and to all have a great time with family and friends and stay safe.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

apologies sometimes i forget were a ;pearl comes from ..great share worked for me
above,,todds haze pheno 3 light dep uk

How you finding the quality of light dep haze types were you are harvest reaper say in comparison to indoor ?...looks like you manged to do that one quite good.

 

[Hammerhead]

Dimming LED doesn't change the spectrum as it does with HPS/MH. I've never noticed any plant issue when dimming was used with CMH.
Remember when Blurple LED lights were the shit.. Now none use them to grow with

 

[@hempy]

Dimming LED doesn't change the spectrum as it does with HPS/MH. I've never noticed any plant issue when dimming was used with CMH.

No ones talking about changing the light spectrum its about reducing light intercity.

 

[harvestreaper]

Nothing to apologize for mate all that matters is the info being shared helps others.

Getting the best out of the genetics we grow is key.


Mary Christmas harvestreaper and to all have a great time with family and friends and stay safe.

merry xmas to you and yours to hempy,, and everyone else